Office V.X is what it should be, and what one should expect for the price. now if it were $50 then you might hear more of us actually get excited. Yes, you can burn a cd or email or whatever you want to do and it works with all pcs i have tried that with...from 95-xp. I personnally would not recommend using entourage as your mail client, it feels so bulky.
Powerpoint works well and ports over fine. xcell looks better on the mac than on any pc, there was a macros application i got from a friend and the buttons on my mac were cleaner and also lit up when i clicked on them,on his machine however, they were big brown boxes that did not light up. One thing that I did use entourage for that seems kind of odd was that i got an e-mail from a friend with some jpg pictures included in the body of the letter, in mail i coould not see them all i saw were question marks, but when i opened the e-mail in entourage i could see all of the pics. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> My suggestion for anybody that can get away with it is having someone that teaches buy it for you because the education discount is large...and thats my 3 cents.
I'm not familiar with OSX but you could set up a firewall locally on your machine that blocks all 3XXX ports and drops the packets instead of forwarding them.
I finally bit the bullet, and bought the education version Office v.x for $199 at the Apple Store. I don't see any feature differences from the full version, other than there's a label stating that you can't use the software for commercial purposes.
Anyway, it's great. I was able to transfer all contacts from Address Book, all email from Mail, and it's working perfectly.
[QB]I finally bit the bullet, and bought the education version Office v.x for $199 at the Apple Store.
Other than honesty, what's to keep me from purchasing the academic version of MS Office from the Apple Store when, in fact, I'm long out of school?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I can't answer that, I'm a student...still.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?
Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've bought stuff from Apple's education store. As far as I can tell they never actually check to make sure that you're a student. That doesn't mean that they don't check, just that if they did I never heard about it. Since you have to give them the name of your school, I'd imagine that they just call them up and ask.
<strong>Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you use a student e-mail address like @ncsu.edu or @ecu.edu and delivery address at the university, then they don't need anything else. If not, then you'll get a message ffrom them requesting a copy of your student id (fax a photocopy of it or scan it) or some other proof.
<strong>If anybody wants a copy of Office v.X I can put it up on Hotline or Carracho or some other file sharing place. Or I can transfer it to you on AIM.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Isn't that piracy? Anyone can download the free test drive from MS's servers...
Not only is it a hefty crime, you never know who could be someone on the internet that reports it.
Its not fair to pirate to paying customers, Microsoft, and innovation in general.
Maybe one day you'll be mature enough to see the consequences of your actions.
I've compared the two. I think the Entourage isn't as stable as Mail, I've had to quit the Entourage whenever waking from sleep. It will act as if it's retrieve mail, but just keeps going. The only thing to stop it, is to quit and relaunch. Also the anti-aliasing isn't as smooth as Mail.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, I've found quite the opposite to be true. Not that I had Mail.app crash on me a lot, but there's a lot of general flakiness about the program, it just isn't quite there yet. There's that weird problem where it will sometimes corrupt attachments you send. I also have problems displaying graphics in HTML emails sometimes. And then there's annoying little stuff like not being able to set multiple criteria when you set up a Rule. Mail is a fine little program, but power users will be disappointed with it.
Entourage, OTOH, has been around for a few years longer than Mail. It's stable, it's feature-complete, and it's well thought out. Sure, there's a bunch of features that I'll never use, like the calendar stuff. But I think it's the best email program for the Mac. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
If you were using Netscape Messenger for email, then Mail.app is probably a step up. Anyone who was using Outlook Express needs to get Entourage, because Mail isn't going to satisfy. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It's Office 2001 with non-standard Aqua. Meh. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Did I mention it costs way too much? Office is sooooo overrated.
Office v.X is the same old bloatware that Office 2001 was. It's crap, but since M$ polished the interface, lots of people dig it.
Let me put it this way...most people who use Word only need about 10% of its features. I would rather M$ put their effort into making the important features work well, work stabily without crashing, and integrate well with the rest of Office. Instead, it feels like Office was designed in a board room by a bunch of overpaid, underthinking executives without an ounce of creativity. They checked off features from their marketing suveys and in doing so Office became more and more bloated. It sucks.
To put it another way, why do I STILL have problems copying a table from Word into Powerpoint?!?! WTF! This should be foolproof, yet M$ doesn't even care if it works or not, they would rather add more features that I don't need.
In fact, I have so many problems with Powerpoint, it is such crapware. It is NOT compatible with the Windows version of Powerpoint, I've made many presentations, only to load them onto a Wintel and find out that my figures are all corrupted and my tables are dorked out. All this from a $500 application that M$ has had YEARS to fix. But they don't fix it.
Instead of making the existing features work better, M$ chooses to add more features. So what we have is a bloated bundle of features that all work ok, but not well.
And don't even get me started on how bad Excel is for graphing. It's enough to make you want to suck on a shotgun, the graphs are horrid, and making them is even more difficult than passing a kidney stone.
I don't understand why everyone likes Office so much...I guess if you don't give a person any choice, they will assume that what they have is the best. Wake up, people, Office is the product of a monopoly and that's why it's overpriced crapware.
<strong>Office v.X is the same old bloatware that Office 2001 was. It's crap, but since M$ polished the interface, lots of people dig it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Polished?
At least drop the genie effect MBU - it's for minimizing windows not palettes.
And just because an OS can display 16.7 million colors you don't have to use them all in every button.
<strong>Office v.X is the same old bloatware that Office 2001 was. It's crap, but since M$ polished the interface, lots of people dig it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats cuz Microsoft, instead of making a OS X-compatible version of Office, was too busy STEALING apple's new operating system and cloning their own piece of shite. oh sorry, it's XP, as in extra piece of ....
btw, i actually do have Office, but the pre-OS-X version. but i dont use anything except Word. does anyone know-- if i just get the less-expensive Word upgrade, instead of the entire Office upgrade, will it work?
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If I could only afford an arm and a leg to have a copy myself...
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Powerpoint works well and ports over fine. xcell looks better on the mac than on any pc, there was a macros application i got from a friend and the buttons on my mac were cleaner and also lit up when i clicked on them,on his machine however, they were big brown boxes that did not light up. One thing that I did use entourage for that seems kind of odd was that i got an e-mail from a friend with some jpg pictures included in the body of the letter, in mail i coould not see them all i saw were question marks, but when i opened the e-mail in entourage i could see all of the pics. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> My suggestion for anybody that can get away with it is having someone that teaches buy it for you because the education discount is large...and thats my 3 cents.
Does OSX have iptables? ipchains?
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Anyway, it's great. I was able to transfer all contacts from Address Book, all email from Mail, and it's working perfectly.
[QB]I finally bit the bullet, and bought the education version Office v.x for $199 at the Apple Store.
Other than honesty, what's to keep me from purchasing the academic version of MS Office from the Apple Store when, in fact, I'm long out of school?
<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by gordy:
[QB]I finally bit the bullet, and bought the education version Office v.x for $199 at the Apple Store.
Other than honesty, what's to keep me from purchasing the academic version of MS Office from the Apple Store when, in fact, I'm long out of school?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I can't answer that, I'm a student...still.
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I can't answer that, I'm a student...still.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?
<strong>
Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've bought stuff from Apple's education store. As far as I can tell they never actually check to make sure that you're a student. That doesn't mean that they don't check, just that if they did I never heard about it. Since you have to give them the name of your school, I'd imagine that they just call them up and ask.
<strong>Did Apple make an attempt to verify that you're actually a student at the university you claimed? I started the purchase process to see what would happen and it didn't look like they really check this. At some later point do they check a stundet ID number or something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you use a student e-mail address like @ncsu.edu or @ecu.edu and delivery address at the university, then they don't need anything else. If not, then you'll get a message ffrom them requesting a copy of your student id (fax a photocopy of it or scan it) or some other proof.
<strong>If anybody wants a copy of Office v.X I can put it up on Hotline or Carracho or some other file sharing place. Or I can transfer it to you on AIM.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Isn't that piracy? Anyone can download the free test drive from MS's servers...
Not only is it a hefty crime, you never know who could be someone on the internet that reports it.
Its not fair to pirate to paying customers, Microsoft, and innovation in general.
Maybe one day you'll be mature enough to see the consequences of your actions.
For more information visit:
<a href="http://www.bsa.org/"; target="_blank">BSA Website</a>
<strong>
Isn't that piracy? Anyone can download the free test drive from MS's servers...
Not only is it a hefty crime, you never know who could be someone on the internet that reports it.
Its not fair to pirate to paying customers, Microsoft, and innovation in general.
Maybe one day you'll be mature enough to see the consequences of your actions.
For more information visit:
<a href="http://www.bsa.org/"; target="_blank">BSA Website</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
boo hoo...
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I've compared the two. I think the Entourage isn't as stable as Mail, I've had to quit the Entourage whenever waking from sleep. It will act as if it's retrieve mail, but just keeps going. The only thing to stop it, is to quit and relaunch. Also the anti-aliasing isn't as smooth as Mail.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, I've found quite the opposite to be true. Not that I had Mail.app crash on me a lot, but there's a lot of general flakiness about the program, it just isn't quite there yet. There's that weird problem where it will sometimes corrupt attachments you send. I also have problems displaying graphics in HTML emails sometimes. And then there's annoying little stuff like not being able to set multiple criteria when you set up a Rule. Mail is a fine little program, but power users will be disappointed with it.
Entourage, OTOH, has been around for a few years longer than Mail. It's stable, it's feature-complete, and it's well thought out. Sure, there's a bunch of features that I'll never use, like the calendar stuff. But I think it's the best email program for the Mac. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
If you were using Netscape Messenger for email, then Mail.app is probably a step up. Anyone who was using Outlook Express needs to get Entourage, because Mail isn't going to satisfy. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Let me put it this way...most people who use Word only need about 10% of its features. I would rather M$ put their effort into making the important features work well, work stabily without crashing, and integrate well with the rest of Office. Instead, it feels like Office was designed in a board room by a bunch of overpaid, underthinking executives without an ounce of creativity. They checked off features from their marketing suveys and in doing so Office became more and more bloated. It sucks.
To put it another way, why do I STILL have problems copying a table from Word into Powerpoint?!?! WTF! This should be foolproof, yet M$ doesn't even care if it works or not, they would rather add more features that I don't need.
In fact, I have so many problems with Powerpoint, it is such crapware. It is NOT compatible with the Windows version of Powerpoint, I've made many presentations, only to load them onto a Wintel and find out that my figures are all corrupted and my tables are dorked out. All this from a $500 application that M$ has had YEARS to fix. But they don't fix it.
Instead of making the existing features work better, M$ chooses to add more features. So what we have is a bloated bundle of features that all work ok, but not well.
And don't even get me started on how bad Excel is for graphing. It's enough to make you want to suck on a shotgun, the graphs are horrid, and making them is even more difficult than passing a kidney stone.
I don't understand why everyone likes Office so much...I guess if you don't give a person any choice, they will assume that what they have is the best.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>Office v.X is the same old bloatware that Office 2001 was. It's crap, but since M$ polished the interface, lots of people dig it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Polished?
At least drop the genie effect MBU - it's for minimizing windows not palettes.
And just because an OS can display 16.7 million colors you don't have to use them all in every button.
<strong>Office v.X is the same old bloatware that Office 2001 was. It's crap, but since M$ polished the interface, lots of people dig it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats cuz Microsoft, instead of making a OS X-compatible version of Office, was too busy STEALING apple's new operating system and cloning their own piece of shite. oh sorry, it's XP, as in extra piece of ....
btw, i actually do have Office, but the pre-OS-X version. but i dont use anything except Word. does anyone know-- if i just get the less-expensive Word upgrade, instead of the entire Office upgrade, will it work?