Honest question, but what exactly are you saying? If you are saying "not only 1080p displays can handle 1080p/24" are you implying that other devices/TVs can do 1080p/24? Or did you mean that only 1080p displays can handle 1080p/24? I've been at work all day, so maybe I am just misreading, and its not making sense to me.
Some tvs accept a 1080p/24 input (my Pioneer is one of them) even though they have a lower resolution.
The Pioneer display then shows each frame three times at 72Hz
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Originally Posted by kupan787
I would think that most (if not all) 1080p displays would be able to handle the 1080i signal just fine. Otherwise, wouldn't people with directv or comcast watching 1080i feeds be complaining left and right?
A tv signal i 30fps and deliveres in 1080i60. A movie is 24fps and when shown at 1080i60 it has to do 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24 frames to 30 frames.
That involves showing some of the half frames twice and it results in judder which is noticable during camera panning.
Some tvs can detect 3:2 pulldown and convert that 30 frames back to 24 frames and show the movie correctly.
Some tvs accept a 1080p/24 input (my Pioneer is one of them) even though they have a lower resolution.
The Pioneer display then shows each frame three times at 72Hz
Thats interesting, and I dind't know that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JLL
A tv signal i 30fps and deliveres in 1080i60. A movie is 24fps and when shown at 1080i60 it has to do 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24 frames to 30 frames.
That involves showing some of the half frames twice and it results in judder which is noticable during camera panning.
Some tvs can detect 3:2 pulldown and convert that 30 frames back to 24 frames and show the movie correctly.
Stupid me. Same situation back in the day with 480i SD tvs and DVD players. Doing 3:2 pulldown to convert between 23.78 and 29.97. Broadcast TV has always been 29.97, I should have realized broadcast HD was the same way.
I've mentioned more than once that I think the whole HD competing formats is stupid and detrimental and that as long as there wasn't a standard I was staying on the sidelines. Plus there wasn't a large enough library of quality titles available and the list of upcoming new releases is pretty underwhelming. Then there was the receiver problem; my perfectly good 3-year-old receiver lacks HDMI.
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
I've mentioned more than once that I think the whole HD competing formats is stupid and detrimental and that as long as there wasn't a standard I was staying on the sidelines. Plus there wasn't a large enough library of quality titles available and the list of upcoming new releases is pretty underwhelming. Then there was the receiver problem; my perfectly good 3-year-old receiver lacks HDMI.
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats OldCodger! I'm in BR player envy. Good choice, especially with those 5 free movies! BTW, it is Universal who will eventually go neutral, not Paramount who is already neutral.
Let us know how the quality looks on all 5 of those puppies will ya!
Thanks.
P.S. I think your choice of format is the safest with Blu-ray. Less risk, more movie studios, more hardware support, better sales, etc. etc. Congrats again.
By the way, there is a great section in the back on the online magazine from HMM which shows the Since Inception numbers of the top 30 high def sellers...and it shows, once again how Blu-ray is dominating, even with 1 and 1/2 studios tied behind its back...
Top 30 Titles (SI to May 27)
Casino Royale 83,600
The Departed 62,700
Batman Begins 53,500
Superman Returns 44,800
Superman Returns 39,300
The Departed 37,800
The Prestige 34,700
The Fifth Element 33,800
X-Men: The Last Stand 32,000
Underworld: Evolution 31,400
Ice Age: The Meltdown 28,300
Night at the Museum 28,100
Black Hawk Down 27,900
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky 27,700
Serenity 26,200
Goodfellas 26,100
Troy 26,100
Mission: Impossible III 25,800
Happy Feet 25,500
Mission: Impossible III 25,500
Planet Earth: The Complete Series 25,400
Crank 24,800
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead... 23,700
Deja Vu 22,700
The Last Samurai 22,400
Terminator 2: Judgment Day 21,600
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse 21,100
Saw III 20,400
House of Flying Daggers 20,000
Ummm, if that's not dominating I don't know what is. Look for it to be even more pronounced once Fox gets back on board and WB gets their head out.
I've mentioned more than once that I think the whole HD competing formats is stupid and detrimental and that as long as there wasn't a standard I was staying on the sidelines. Plus there wasn't a large enough library of quality titles available and the list of upcoming new releases is pretty underwhelming. Then there was the receiver problem; my perfectly good 3-year-old receiver lacks HDMI.
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats!.... Doesn't it feel good to just jump in?... Just make sure that your BR player is future feature proof with BD-J and HiDef Audio decoding capabilities and it would be pure pleasure for all movies. With proper set up, no upcoverting SD can match with HiDef PQ.... unless you're watching the BD version of Fifth Element.
Congrats again, and I'll be looking forward to true Blu-Ray user feedbacks.
It's not my "big" grip. It's just a gripe. Why? Because I'm budgeting for a PS3. But when I read that the PS3 comes without a single useful interconnect cable I realized I needed to re-adjust my budget for the PS3 to include ALL the accessories. Which pissed me off.
And it is a pet peeve of mine that manufacturers do not include all the appropriate cables with their systems when you consider 1) the bulk purchasing power they enjoy, and 2) how expensive their products are, and 3) you can't help but feel like you're getting milked "for a few dollars more".
Sony knew damn good and well that the PS3 was going to be used as a blu-ray player. Did they include a remote control that would cost them $5 to produce in bulk? No. Gotta buy that one too. And has anyone really used a game controller to navigate around DVD menus on a continuous basis? It's an awful user experience. But then I'm one of those typical guys who sits on the couch with the remote hanging out of my hand during the entire movie. LOL!
Well, I guess I see those points. I just think it's not all that uncommon. Epson printers don't come with USB cables now. Now THAT blows.
...The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats man
hope you enjoy it as much as I have (BD not the player)
The Transporter is a great film, you should enjoy it!
My copy of DMC arrived this morning so I should get a look at it over the weekend.
When Blu-ray first launched, there were great expectations for the titles released. That was especially true for 'The Fifth Element', which had been a home theater enthusiast favorite on DVD. Unfortunately, the results were less than stellar, but Sony is here to atone! Those who purchased 'The Fifth Element' in its current form can exchange the disc for the new, cleaned up version of the film, due out July 17th.
The disc will come as a BD-50, encoded with AVC, and have two lossless/uncompressed audio tracks: the same PCM track from the original release (which was quite excellent) and a 20-bit Dolby TrueHD track. The extras remain the same, but the film has been remastered for a cleaner/crisper video experience.
Right now, Sony is taking down your name, mailing address, and phone number and will contact you closer to the release of the remastered version on how to exchange your disc. When you call, have that information ready, or if you are emailing, make sure to place it in your message. Here is the contact information:
It may be unnecessary, but he's right. Everyone I know and I dare say all normal people would press the play button then put the remote down for the duration of the movie, unless they need a bathroom, munchie or phone break. Normal people don't hang onto the remote because we are or at least should be interested in watching the movie.
WOW I come on here and no-one has mentioned the AVS drama thats going on about "The Prestige" discs apparent/alleged disc rot. I commend the restraint of the HD-DVD folks.
It was never my intention to buy this disc at any time, but it is worrying for a problem like this to pop up so (comparatively) soon after release and no matter your chosen format it cant be a good thing for the public to hear "those new Hi-Def discs get disc rot" isnt something that will help the adoption of a next gen format.
The worrying thing for me is that it seems to be dual layer discs, and if I'm right arn't ALL HD-DVD discs dual layer? if this ISNT just limited to one bad batch or pressing house but is a problem that will show up in dual layer HD-DVDs AS WELL then its going to look really bad for formats that are struggling to get consumer traction.
Still CDs had this issue as did DVDs and LDs so its really nothing new, however something I find interesting is that when CDs were new there was no MASS internet, and when DVDs were new, there was MASS internet but thats not where MOST people got their information, but will the widespread dissemination of info on this NEW disc rot in a new MASS internet age hinder a new format where other formats were less affected?
Interesting times.
PS. remember not to crow! as someone will post it back at you later and call you a fanboy or something else, this has the potential to affect us all so stay calm at least for a while
WOW I come on here and no-one has mentioned the AVS drama thats going on about "The Prestige" discs apparent/alleged disc rot. I commend the restraint of the HD-DVD folks.
It was never my intention to buy this disc at any time, but it is worrying for a problem like this to pop up so (comparatively) soon after release and no matter your chosen format it cant be a good thing for the public to hear "those new Hi-Def discs get disc rot" isnt something that will help the adoption of a next gen format.
The worrying thing for me is that it seems to be dual layer discs, and if I'm right arn't ALL HD-DVD discs dual layer? if this ISNT just limited to one bad batch or pressing house but is a problem that will show up in dual layer HD-DVDs AS WELL then its going to look really bad for formats that are struggling to get consumer traction.
Still CDs had this issue as did DVDs and LDs so its really nothing new, however something I find interesting is that when CDs were new there was no MASS internet, and when DVDs were new, there was MASS internet but thats not where MOST people got their information, but will the widespread dissemination of info on this NEW disc rot in a new MASS internet age hinder a new format where other formats were less affected?
Interesting times.
PS. remember not to crow! as someone will post it back at you later and call you a fanboy or something else, this has the potential to affect us all so stay calm at least for a while
I agree, I was waiting to see this posted all over on this thread. However, considering the source of the "issue" -- AVS Forums --let's just say that I'm a bit skeptical. Regardless, hopefully for both formats, this is a bad batch of discs, or the just typical FUD being spewed over at AVS forums. Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure this is a very rare issue.
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Honest question, but what exactly are you saying? If you are saying "not only 1080p displays can handle 1080p/24" are you implying that other devices/TVs can do 1080p/24? Or did you mean that only 1080p displays can handle 1080p/24? I've been at work all day, so maybe I am just misreading, and its not making sense to me.
Some tvs accept a 1080p/24 input (my Pioneer is one of them) even though they have a lower resolution.
The Pioneer display then shows each frame three times at 72Hz
I would think that most (if not all) 1080p displays would be able to handle the 1080i signal just fine. Otherwise, wouldn't people with directv or comcast watching 1080i feeds be complaining left and right?
A tv signal i 30fps and deliveres in 1080i60. A movie is 24fps and when shown at 1080i60 it has to do 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24 frames to 30 frames.
That involves showing some of the half frames twice and it results in judder which is noticable during camera panning.
Some tvs can detect 3:2 pulldown and convert that 30 frames back to 24 frames and show the movie correctly.
And has anyone really used a game controller to navigate around DVD menus on a continuous basis?
YUP
It's an awful user experience.
YMMV
But then I'm one of those typical guys who sits on the couch with the remote hanging out of my hand during the entire movie. LOL!
Says a LOT
Some tvs accept a 1080p/24 input (my Pioneer is one of them) even though they have a lower resolution.
The Pioneer display then shows each frame three times at 72Hz
Thats interesting, and I dind't know that.
A tv signal i 30fps and deliveres in 1080i60. A movie is 24fps and when shown at 1080i60 it has to do 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24 frames to 30 frames.
That involves showing some of the half frames twice and it results in judder which is noticable during camera panning.
Some tvs can detect 3:2 pulldown and convert that 30 frames back to 24 frames and show the movie correctly.
Stupid me. Same situation back in the day with 480i SD tvs and DVD players. Doing 3:2 pulldown to convert between 23.78 and 29.97. Broadcast TV has always been 29.97, I should have realized broadcast HD was the same way.
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...1707/index.php
66% Blu-ray and 34% HD DVD.
Here is the top 10 high def sellers (interesting that 9 of 10 are all Blu-ray...so much for the Matrix!)
TOP 10
1. Appocolypto 100 (Blu-ray)
2. POTC: DMC 98.55 (Blu-ray)
3. POTC: CBP 84.33 (Blu-ray)
4. Planet Earth 82.27 HD DVD
5. Norbit 77.78 (Blu-ray)
6. Blood Diamond 74.95 (Blu-ray)
7. Planet Earth 62.17 (Blu-ray)
8. The Messengers 51.05 (Blu-ray)
9. Casino Royale 44.44 (Blu-ray)
10. Letters from Iwo Jima 38.65 (Blu-ray)
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
I've mentioned more than once that I think the whole HD competing formats is stupid and detrimental and that as long as there wasn't a standard I was staying on the sidelines. Plus there wasn't a large enough library of quality titles available and the list of upcoming new releases is pretty underwhelming. Then there was the receiver problem; my perfectly good 3-year-old receiver lacks HDMI.
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats OldCodger! I'm in BR player envy. Good choice, especially with those 5 free movies! BTW, it is Universal who will eventually go neutral, not Paramount who is already neutral.
Let us know how the quality looks on all 5 of those puppies will ya!
Thanks.
P.S. I think your choice of format is the safest with Blu-ray. Less risk, more movie studios, more hardware support, better sales, etc. etc. Congrats again.
Top 30 Titles (SI to May 27)
Casino Royale 83,600
The Departed 62,700
Batman Begins 53,500
Superman Returns 44,800
Superman Returns 39,300
The Departed 37,800
The Prestige 34,700
The Fifth Element 33,800
X-Men: The Last Stand 32,000
Underworld: Evolution 31,400
Ice Age: The Meltdown 28,300
Night at the Museum 28,100
Black Hawk Down 27,900
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky 27,700
Serenity 26,200
Goodfellas 26,100
Troy 26,100
Mission: Impossible III 25,800
Happy Feet 25,500
Mission: Impossible III 25,500
Planet Earth: The Complete Series 25,400
Crank 24,800
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead... 23,700
Deja Vu 22,700
The Last Samurai 22,400
Terminator 2: Judgment Day 21,600
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse 21,100
Saw III 20,400
House of Flying Daggers 20,000
Ummm, if that's not dominating I don't know what is. Look for it to be even more pronounced once Fox gets back on board and WB gets their head out.
I've mentioned more than once that I think the whole HD competing formats is stupid and detrimental and that as long as there wasn't a standard I was staying on the sidelines. Plus there wasn't a large enough library of quality titles available and the list of upcoming new releases is pretty underwhelming. Then there was the receiver problem; my perfectly good 3-year-old receiver lacks HDMI.
Today I caved in and bought a player. Blame it on AVSforum. Yesterday I checked it for the first time in over a month and found something I hadn't realized, and that got me thinking. I bought into LD when I knew it was never going to be more than a niche product, I'm not getting any younger, I could afford it and besides I happened to hit SWMBO on a good day. I think the clincher was the 5 free discs included in the box with the player.
Anyway, what I found on AVSforum was a reference to Panasonic's new DMP-SD10A Blu-ray player. It's the same price as the PS3 but the real winner for me is that it has 7.1 analog out, which will work with my present receiver. I can free up a HDMI input on the plasma for video, so that won't be a problem.
I went with B-r as it seems that with the most studio support it has the best chance of surviving and if the sales figures quoted on here are reasonably accurate, then Paramount will be forced to go format neutral probably much sooner than later. (At least I think it's Paramount who is HD-DVD only)
I probably won't set it until next week when I receive the HDMI cable I ordered today from Monoprice.
The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats!.... Doesn't it feel good to just jump in?... Just make sure that your BR player is future feature proof with BD-J and HiDef Audio decoding capabilities and it would be pure pleasure for all movies. With proper set up, no upcoverting SD can match with HiDef PQ.... unless you're watching the BD version of Fifth Element.
Congrats again, and I'll be looking forward to true Blu-Ray user feedbacks.
Says a LOT
Unnecessary. Especially from a newbie.
Unnecessary. Especially from a newbie.
The noobs have gotten kinda.... pushy, as of late.
Apparently we need meaner old-timers. Why, when I was but a sprat hereabouts, they used to point and laugh and throw things.
It's not my "big" grip. It's just a gripe. Why? Because I'm budgeting for a PS3. But when I read that the PS3 comes without a single useful interconnect cable I realized I needed to re-adjust my budget for the PS3 to include ALL the accessories. Which pissed me off.
And it is a pet peeve of mine that manufacturers do not include all the appropriate cables with their systems when you consider 1) the bulk purchasing power they enjoy, and 2) how expensive their products are, and 3) you can't help but feel like you're getting milked "for a few dollars more".
Sony knew damn good and well that the PS3 was going to be used as a blu-ray player. Did they include a remote control that would cost them $5 to produce in bulk? No. Gotta buy that one too. And has anyone really used a game controller to navigate around DVD menus on a continuous basis? It's an awful user experience. But then I'm one of those typical guys who sits on the couch with the remote hanging out of my hand during the entire movie. LOL!
Well, I guess I see those points. I just think it's not all that uncommon. Epson printers don't come with USB cables now. Now THAT blows.
The noobs have gotten kinda.... pushy, as of late.
Apparently we need meaner old-timers. Why, when I was but a sprat hereabouts, they used to point and laugh and throw things.
Dude, I can help you there.
Dude, I can help you there.
microsoft review zune
http://www.bestdvdtools.com
Unnecessary. Especially from a newbie.
Are you calling me a newbie?
Are we going to get into a crap slinging match about whos been online the longest? I mean, I thought that was settled as off topic.
Just because someone doesnt have a gazillion post to their name doesnt mean what they say is any more, or less, idiotic.
Today I caved in and bought a player...
...The 5 free discs are PoC: DMC, PoC: CotBP, Crash, Fantastic Four and The Transporter. I'm familar with the first three movies but know nothing about the last two.
Congrats man
hope you enjoy it as much as I have (BD not the player)
The Transporter is a great film, you should enjoy it!
My copy of DMC arrived this morning so I should get a look at it over the weekend.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=252
When Blu-ray first launched, there were great expectations for the titles released. That was especially true for 'The Fifth Element', which had been a home theater enthusiast favorite on DVD. Unfortunately, the results were less than stellar, but Sony is here to atone! Those who purchased 'The Fifth Element' in its current form can exchange the disc for the new, cleaned up version of the film, due out July 17th.
The disc will come as a BD-50, encoded with AVC, and have two lossless/uncompressed audio tracks: the same PCM track from the original release (which was quite excellent) and a 20-bit Dolby TrueHD track. The extras remain the same, but the film has been remastered for a cleaner/crisper video experience.
Right now, Sony is taking down your name, mailing address, and phone number and will contact you closer to the release of the remastered version on how to exchange your disc. When you call, have that information ready, or if you are emailing, make sure to place it in your message. Here is the contact information:
Phone: 800-860-2878
Email: [email protected]
Unnecessary. Especially from a newbie.
It may be unnecessary, but he's right. Everyone I know and I dare say all normal people would press the play button then put the remote down for the duration of the movie, unless they need a bathroom, munchie or phone break. Normal people don't hang onto the remote because we are or at least should be interested in watching the movie.
It was never my intention to buy this disc at any time, but it is worrying for a problem like this to pop up so (comparatively) soon after release and no matter your chosen format it cant be a good thing for the public to hear "those new Hi-Def discs get disc rot" isnt something that will help the adoption of a next gen format.
The worrying thing for me is that it seems to be dual layer discs, and if I'm right arn't ALL HD-DVD discs dual layer? if this ISNT just limited to one bad batch or pressing house but is a problem that will show up in dual layer HD-DVDs AS WELL then its going to look really bad for formats that are struggling to get consumer traction.
Still CDs had this issue as did DVDs and LDs so its really nothing new, however something I find interesting is that when CDs were new there was no MASS internet, and when DVDs were new, there was MASS internet but thats not where MOST people got their information, but will the widespread dissemination of info on this NEW disc rot in a new MASS internet age hinder a new format where other formats were less affected?
Interesting times.
PS. remember not to crow!
WOW I come on here and no-one has mentioned the AVS drama thats going on about "The Prestige" discs apparent/alleged disc rot. I commend the restraint of the HD-DVD folks.
It was never my intention to buy this disc at any time, but it is worrying for a problem like this to pop up so (comparatively) soon after release and no matter your chosen format it cant be a good thing for the public to hear "those new Hi-Def discs get disc rot" isnt something that will help the adoption of a next gen format.
The worrying thing for me is that it seems to be dual layer discs, and if I'm right arn't ALL HD-DVD discs dual layer? if this ISNT just limited to one bad batch or pressing house but is a problem that will show up in dual layer HD-DVDs AS WELL then its going to look really bad for formats that are struggling to get consumer traction.
Still CDs had this issue as did DVDs and LDs so its really nothing new, however something I find interesting is that when CDs were new there was no MASS internet, and when DVDs were new, there was MASS internet but thats not where MOST people got their information, but will the widespread dissemination of info on this NEW disc rot in a new MASS internet age hinder a new format where other formats were less affected?
Interesting times.
PS. remember not to crow!
I agree, I was waiting to see this posted all over on this thread. However, considering the source of the "issue" -- AVS Forums --let's just say that I'm a bit skeptical. Regardless, hopefully for both formats, this is a bad batch of discs, or the just typical FUD being spewed over at AVS forums. Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure this is a very rare issue.