Let's guess what zany scheme they'll come up with next. Top Secret doesn't mean useful, just that nobody knows about it.
The claimed reason was that they didn't want MS to have much time to copy it. That turned out to be lame smoke and mirrors, because no one should bother copying it. The 3D panel under the dock was something Solaris had and it should have stayed a Solaris "feature" because it's that lame.
Top Secret doesn't mean useful, just that nobody knows about it.
That's what the definition says. But it has a great marketing value. Jobs bluffing of the last years should make everyone who follows doubting his words.
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Because things are never perfect. If you start doing that, all the developers will be doing a "just one more fix", and it'll never get released. Its better to make frequent releases. As only developers are using these builds, the stability is mostly irrelevant.
The 3D Dock was a "top secret feature?" Really? Spaces I can see, but the new Dock? Really?
In the new build the 3D dock can rotate vertically with a cube-effect, similar that what we've seen in Keynote. This allows you to bring up a new dock, filled with new icons. Effectively creating workspaces for docks. Really useful. I would definitely call that top secret.
I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
The new Finder is making it easy to switch between computers. This way you can drag files from one computer to the other without the hassle. Meaning that my next Macbookpro is gonna have a new buddy (read: a new 20" iMac i/o a 20" cinema display).
Have you guys seen the new Leopard GUI in the WWDC videos? I think Steve has stopped paying attention to the Mac project and the geeks are taking over and turning it in to Linux. We need his simplifying touch and aesthetic judgment on Leopard.
I'm suprised no one's thought about the fact that they are probably "borrowing" those key programmers to help with the update to the iPhone. Supposedly there's a huge update coming alongside leopard.
Its either that, or they have major issues. Is it me or is Leopard probably the lamest update (feature-wise) since OS 8.6 to OS 9. Tons of features! (But none you will actually use)!
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Why are you dissing 'other developers'? Are you so much better?
Have you guys seen the new Leopard GUI in the WWDC videos? I think Steve has stopped paying attention to the Mac project and the geeks are taking over and turning it in to Linux. We need his simplifying touch and aesthetic judgment on Leopard.
What do you mean?! I love time machine, but I am a bit affraid of the 3D arrows and the tubular things on the right side of the screen. Also, the green flurry (in the middle of the screen) is a bit of a concern ?
I think it's bigger than Tiger. "200 features", but I went through the list and I don't think I've ever needed more than five of them. I think better screen rotation and ease of swapping mouse button order are the two features that I actually use. If I get Leopard, I am sure I'll use ZFS and Time Machine. Maybe the stack feature. I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
I agree that Leopard is a bigger jump than Tiger. to me, the biggest addition with Tiger was Spotlight. Dashboard is nice, but it basically just expedites my weather-searching. It also ran a bit slower than Panther on my G4 iBook.
Leopard, with Finder+QuickLook+Stacks+Spaces+Time Machine, addresses the more fundamental issue of how we interact with windows and files. To me, that's great since this is honestly one of the weakest points of OS X. Aesthetically, it's also probably the biggest leap in OS X, or maybe on par with Jaguar->Panther.
I'm excited for Leopard and will pre-order it come October (or Jan 08).
I agree that Leopard is a bigger jump than Tiger. to me, the biggest addition with Tiger was Spotlight. Dashboard is nice, but it basically just expedites my weather-searching. It also ran a bit slower than Panther on my G4 iBook.
Leopard, with Finder+QuickLook+Stacks+Spaces+Time Machine, addresses the more fundamental issue of how we interact with windows and files. To me, that's great since this is honestly one of the weakest points of OS X. Aesthetically, it's also probably the biggest leap in OS X, or maybe on par with Jaguar->Panther.
I'm excited for Leopard and will pre-order it come October (or Jan 08).
Welcome to the boards acslater. Great point. Leopard is a further refinement of what I believe is the best OS on the planet.
I cannot personally see an area that hasn't been touched in Leopard that vexes me in Tiger. The Finder is purportedly faster and doesn't hang with network mount/unmounts. It's a cleaner looking system and Spotlight has gotten more search options and polish.
I chuckle a bit when people state there is nothing they would use. Every OS upgrade has so many tweaks and improvements it's not just about the whizzbang features but about everything. I have a Core Duo...Leopard handles multiple cores better and Mail and Addressbook in Leopard will support the new nsoperation API. I'd like to know what is missing from Leopard. We have accelerated UI rendering now on a dedicated thread. We have Resolution Independence coming.
I'm impatient as well. I'm going to be moving to Leopard the first couple of weeks it is out.
i've had a play around with the new kitty and the features may not be as ooh and wow inducing as dashboard was but some of the newer subtler features in the finder will make any1 who actually uses a mac in a media workflow to appreciate the improvements
the new thumbnail previews are a godsend though i couldn't' find an option to change the window view options (cmd + j) globally - just on a per window basis. So if you want all your thumbnails to be say 256X256 you need to change view options for each window.
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
the use of a downloads folder will help
negative -
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
the transparent menu is completely crap
on the fence -
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
disappointed with a lack of revamp for the system wide font, colour and character palettes they should a) be treated like proper windows with focus
b) apple should adopt the HUD black interface for such palettes
i'm still expecting more drastic ui updates with more matte finishing like itunes' scrollbars and safari 3's jump / popup menu widgets
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Don't over react! Keep things in perspective. This is a beta release to developers. It isn't a retail$ beta released to the public like Microsoft does. This is how they "fix their crap."
i've had a play around with the new kitty and the features may not be as ooh and wow inducing as dashboard was but some of the newer subtler features in the finder will make any1 who actually uses a mac in a media workflow to appreciate the improvements
the new thumbnail previews are a godsend though i couldn't' find an option to change the window view options (cmd + j) globally - just on a per window basis. So if you want all your thumbnails to be say 256X256 you need to change view options for each window.
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
the use of a downloads folder will help
negative -
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
the transparent menu is completely crap
on the fence -
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
disappointed with a lack of revamp for the system wide font, colour and character palettes they should a) be treated like proper windows with focus
b) apple should adopt the HUD black interface for such palettes
i'm still expecting more drastic ui updates with more matte finishing like itunes' scrollbars and safari 3's jump / popup menu widgets
Frogbat,
Have you had any time to play around with metadata in Leopard yet? I'm hoping for better support for tagging files and searches based on metadata. Any insight is greaty appreciated.
Apple previewed what it called a "near feature complete" version of Leopard, introducing previously "top secret" features such as a new 3D application dock and file "stacks."
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Let's guess what zany scheme they'll come up with next. Top Secret doesn't mean useful, just that nobody knows about it.
The claimed reason was that they didn't want MS to have much time to copy it. That turned out to be lame smoke and mirrors, because no one should bother copying it. The 3D panel under the dock was something Solaris had and it should have stayed a Solaris "feature" because it's that lame.
Top Secret doesn't mean useful, just that nobody knows about it.
That's what the definition says. But it has a great marketing value. Jobs bluffing of the last years should make everyone who follows doubting his words.
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Because things are never perfect. If you start doing that, all the developers will be doing a "just one more fix", and it'll never get released. Its better to make frequent releases. As only developers are using these builds, the stability is mostly irrelevant.
The 3D Dock was a "top secret feature?" Really? Spaces I can see, but the new Dock? Really?
In the new build the 3D dock can rotate vertically with a cube-effect, similar that what we've seen in Keynote. This allows you to bring up a new dock, filled with new icons. Effectively creating workspaces for docks. Really useful. I would definitely call that top secret.
(just kidding of course
I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
The new Finder is making it easy to switch between computers. This way you can drag files from one computer to the other without the hassle. Meaning that my next Macbookpro is gonna have a new buddy (read: a new 20" iMac i/o a 20" cinema display).
The 3D Dock was a "top secret feature?" Really? Spaces I can see, but the new Dock? Really?
The 3D Dock is amazing (no kidding). And so are the stacks/fans! Finally no more clutter!
I wonder if Spaces let you run windows in one space and Mac OSX in the other three spaces?
I'm suprised no one's thought about the fact that they are probably "borrowing" those key programmers to help with the update to the iPhone. Supposedly there's a huge update coming alongside leopard.
Its either that, or they have major issues. Is it me or is Leopard probably the lamest update (feature-wise) since OS 8.6 to OS 9. Tons of features! (But none you will actually use)!
It's you.
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Why are you dissing 'other developers'? Are you so much better?
Have you guys seen the new Leopard GUI in the WWDC videos? I think Steve has stopped paying attention to the Mac project and the geeks are taking over and turning it in to Linux. We need his simplifying touch and aesthetic judgment on Leopard.
What do you mean?! I love time machine, but I am a bit affraid of the 3D arrows and the tubular things on the right side of the screen. Also, the green flurry (in the middle of the screen) is a bit of a concern ?
The new Finder is great though, very iTunes like.
OMG a buggy beta!!!!!
Apple is teh DOOMED!!!
Sell all your stock now!!!
People already did that yesterday.
I think it's bigger than Tiger. "200 features", but I went through the list and I don't think I've ever needed more than five of them. I think better screen rotation and ease of swapping mouse button order are the two features that I actually use. If I get Leopard, I am sure I'll use ZFS and Time Machine. Maybe the stack feature. I'm not sure if the iTunes-ized Finder is an improvement.
I agree that Leopard is a bigger jump than Tiger. to me, the biggest addition with Tiger was Spotlight. Dashboard is nice, but it basically just expedites my weather-searching. It also ran a bit slower than Panther on my G4 iBook.
Leopard, with Finder+QuickLook+Stacks+Spaces+Time Machine, addresses the more fundamental issue of how we interact with windows and files. To me, that's great since this is honestly one of the weakest points of OS X. Aesthetically, it's also probably the biggest leap in OS X, or maybe on par with Jaguar->Panther.
I'm excited for Leopard and will pre-order it come October (or Jan 08).
I'm excited for Leopard and will pre-order it come October (or Jan 08).
I'll do the same thing I've been doing for years... wait for 6 months for the major bugs to get ironed out, then buy it.
I'll do the same thing I've been doing for years... wait for 6 months for the major bugs to get ironed out, then buy it.
hmm...smart. but i'm too impatient.
I agree that Leopard is a bigger jump than Tiger. to me, the biggest addition with Tiger was Spotlight. Dashboard is nice, but it basically just expedites my weather-searching. It also ran a bit slower than Panther on my G4 iBook.
Leopard, with Finder+QuickLook+Stacks+Spaces+Time Machine, addresses the more fundamental issue of how we interact with windows and files. To me, that's great since this is honestly one of the weakest points of OS X. Aesthetically, it's also probably the biggest leap in OS X, or maybe on par with Jaguar->Panther.
I'm excited for Leopard and will pre-order it come October (or Jan 08).
Welcome to the boards acslater. Great point. Leopard is a further refinement of what I believe is the best OS on the planet.
I cannot personally see an area that hasn't been touched in Leopard that vexes me in Tiger. The Finder is purportedly faster and doesn't hang with network mount/unmounts. It's a cleaner looking system and Spotlight has gotten more search options and polish.
I chuckle a bit when people state there is nothing they would use. Every OS upgrade has so many tweaks and improvements it's not just about the whizzbang features but about everything. I have a Core Duo...Leopard handles multiple cores better and Mail and Addressbook in Leopard will support the new nsoperation API. I'd like to know what is missing from Leopard. We have accelerated UI rendering now on a dedicated thread. We have Resolution Independence coming.
I'm impatient as well. I'm going to be moving to Leopard the first couple of weeks it is out.
Does the IM field have any increase in the number of options (ICQ, Jabber, etc)? Is Skype in there now? Grrrrr!
Any other changes?
Funny, I'm less concerned with look - I want usability and productivity tools!
Cheers Daniel
the new thumbnail previews are a godsend though i couldn't' find an option to change the window view options (cmd + j) globally - just on a per window basis. So if you want all your thumbnails to be say 256X256 you need to change view options for each window.
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
the use of a downloads folder will help
negative -
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
the transparent menu is completely crap
on the fence -
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
disappointed with a lack of revamp for the system wide font, colour and character palettes they should a) be treated like proper windows with focus
b) apple should adopt the HUD black interface for such palettes
i'm still expecting more drastic ui updates with more matte finishing like itunes' scrollbars and safari 3's jump / popup menu widgets
umm, then why release it? why not wait a week or two and let the other developers fix their crap? this release sounds like a Microsoft build philosophy to me.
Don't over react! Keep things in perspective. This is a beta release to developers. It isn't a retail$ beta released to the public like Microsoft does. This is how they "fix their crap."
i've had a play around with the new kitty and the features may not be as ooh and wow inducing as dashboard was but some of the newer subtler features in the finder will make any1 who actually uses a mac in a media workflow to appreciate the improvements
the new thumbnail previews are a godsend though i couldn't' find an option to change the window view options (cmd + j) globally - just on a per window basis. So if you want all your thumbnails to be say 256X256 you need to change view options for each window.
Coverflow and quickview will prove invaluable and stacks is very comfortable though most folder will display in grid making the fan out a bit superflous
the use of a downloads folder will help
negative -
finder could be souped up even more- make it more powerful , explorer still kicks its arse in displaying and sorting information. sorting should be better handled in column view and an option to have folders at the top and bottom should be given
the transparent menu is completely crap
on the fence -
the 3d dock grew on me and i found it better than the current one the open application indicator took more time to get used to
the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre
disappointed with a lack of revamp for the system wide font, colour and character palettes they should a) be treated like proper windows with focus
b) apple should adopt the HUD black interface for such palettes
i'm still expecting more drastic ui updates with more matte finishing like itunes' scrollbars and safari 3's jump / popup menu widgets
Frogbat,
Have you had any time to play around with metadata in Leopard yet? I'm hoping for better support for tagging files and searches based on metadata. Any insight is greaty appreciated.
Apple previewed what it called a "near feature complete" version of Leopard, introducing previously "top secret" features such as a new 3D application dock and file "stacks."
Wow, arn't we lucky!