Apple are currently a Blu-Ray supporter in name only though. Disney have declined to answer questions about being paid to support Blu-Ray. I doubt very much that Steve Jobs cares which format wins - Apple are all about selling content on iTunes - and if Apple did start selling computers with Blu-Ray drives, would it really make much difference to the format war?
Actually, Disney has denied receiving any money to support Blu-Ray exclusively.
And as for it making a difference to the format war if Apple put a Blu-Ray drive in Macs (and assuming it was capable of playing Blu-Ray movies), I would say that's a big "Yes." Just look at these forums and how strongly Mac supporters rally behind most every Apple product. As one of the most watched and scrutinized tech companies, don't you think it would be a big boon to Blu-Ray to get a real nod of approval from Apple with internal Blu-Ray playback?
Apple is most likely going to procure a Universal drive. They really don't have a pony in this war as much as many people like to portray.
To date DVD Studio Pro supports HD DVD out of the box and Blu-ray prep with a Telestream plugin.
There's no value in Apple choosing sides. They sell content production software. They don't give a shat about the format war.
Blu-ray/HD DVD playback isn't coming until HDCP/AACS/BD+/ is fully integrated in OS X.
Newsflash ....Universals will rule the day. Last CES it was about Universal chipsets from NEC and Broadcom. This CES should be about more integration and Universal player options.
I've ben looking at the few combo players that have been, and are, out there. The problem with all of them is that they are danged expensive. $1,000!
This would mean that we shouldn't expect HD playback for almost another year. Bonkers!
Apple must take sides now. If they put players in their less expensive machines, they will influence the outcome. Those who don't agree with that haven't paid attention to the figures.
Apple users buy digital downloads, and media, at a far higher clip than do their PC buying friends.
Sony has sold millions of PS3's, while MS has sold only 120 thousand HD-DVD add-ons for the 360. While HD-DVD has sold about 35% more stand alone players than has Blu-Ray, BD movies are selling at a 2 to 1 clip. That's important, because it's the amount of media sold that will determine who wins this.
If Apple could add a few million more BD players to the mix this year, it could move BD over the top.
Sony has sold millions of PS3's, while MS has sold only 120 thousand HD-DVD add-ons for the 360. While HD-DVD has sold about 35% more stand alone players than has Blu-Ray, BD movies are selling at a 2 to 1 clip. That's important, because it's the amount of media sold that will determine who wins this.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
I wouldn't think porn viewers would care that much. Porn is cheap, HD-DVD is cheap, looks like a perfect match. But whatever floats your boat. Personally I was never very attracted to the sleaze look to begin with. Maybe a little pixelization would help cover up the flaws in the acting.
Apple is a member of the Blu Ray consortium, Disney is 100% Blu Ray. Try and think in terms of reality while it sets in.
I've ben looking at the few combo players that have been, and are, out there. The problem with all of them is that they are danged expensive. $1,000!
This would mean that we shouldn't expect HD playback for almost another year. Bonkers!
Samsung and LG both brought set top combo players to market in the past couple of months; they can already be had for $749. By this time next year I imagine set top combo players will sell for under $399. However, the prices you're talking about are for set top players, and not the drives computer manufactures put in their machines (which are much cheaper). HP is putting drives in their sub-$1,000 computers today that play both high-def formats. The cost to add playback support for both formats is negligible, and the least painful thing you can do for consumers is just make sure everything plays on their computer.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
The question is just how many who have a PS3 are buying movies? It's assumed that there is a percentage, but no one knows what it is. also, it's been reported that BD owners buy more movies than do HD-DVD owners. I have no figures for that though. But the numbers of movies sold are published numbers.
If Apple sold 3 million computers this year with BD playback, that could change those figures to 3 to 1, or even 4 to 1, considering that not all that many movies have been sold so far. It could push HD-DVD out to a bit player, by having studios that produce both, drop HD-DVD.
And that would be good, because then I could just type BD, rather than having to type HD-DVD all the time.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
Probably because there are a vast amount of PS3's are gaming consoles, and not movie players. Duh.. Even though the games are on Blu Ray disks they don't count as blu ray movies. Add them to the equation however and your imaginary ratio would probably be close to accurate.
Samsung and LG both brought set top combo players to market in the past couple of months; they can already be had for $749. By this time next year I imagine set top combo players will sell for under $399. However, the prices you're talking about are for set top players, and not the drives computer manufactures put in their machines (which are much cheaper). HP is putting drives in their sub-$1,000 computers today that play both high-def formats. The cost to add playback support for both formats is negligible, and the least painful thing you can do for consumers is just make sure everything plays on their computer.
I haven't seen them anywhere at those prices, but they are still way too expensive at that price.
The $99 Hd-DVD price was a promotion for a short while, but BD is priced at under $300, and HD-DVD under $200. A viable combo drive would need to be no more than $400, at the most. Few people buy high end models, except at the very beginning.
Probably because there are a vast amount of PS3's are gaming consoles, and not movie players. Duh.. Even though the games are on Blu Ray disks they don't count as blu ray movies. Add them to the equation however and your imaginary ratio would probably be close to accurate.
Well yes, we know that. But, the PS2 was credited with getting many people to buy DVD;s when the technology was still young, and players expensive. That doesn't mean that everyone who bought a PS2 bought movies.
Yeah, Blu-Ray is more advanced than HD-DVD. The main advantage is significantly greater storage capacity. The second is freedom from MS's influence on the product.
Sony influence is better than MS? Please, explain how?
Significantly greater storage capacity? I could care less. That's what Hard Drives are for.
I'm not a big fan of MS any more than any of us here, but seriously how is Sony better? Sorry, I don't buy it at all.
As a movie buff, I do care. Sorry if it offends you that I might want to watch movies at home with the best picture and sound quality available. I don't want to have sit around waiting for that seemingly mythical day when digital downloads finally arrive in all their much talked about (but never actually delivered) promise. I don't want my movie watching controlled by Apple's iTunes Store and whatever hardware they deem to provide for viewing or be saddled with whatever Microsoft's current scheme might be.
I definitely understand this, and as a fellow movie buff I completely understand this, but it's been proven time and time again that the quality between HD DVD and Blu-ray is practically non-existent, so why is everyone in such a hurry in getting either format immediately and then having a debate about which is better?
Frankly, NEITHER are any worth any salt. Until content is there, until there's a multi-format player, it's not worth getting either one.
And that would be good, because then I could just type BD, rather than having to type HD-DVD all the time.
Finally, the most overwhelming point in the whole BD/HD-DVD (that IS hard to type) debate. Should be cool to see if Apple does throw their hat into the ring soon.
Well yes, we know that. But, the PS2 was credited with getting many people to buy DVD;s when the technology was still young, and players expensive. That doesn't mean that everyone who bought a PS2 bought movies.
Where did yo get any idea I was saying anything different about the PS3?
Alert the media... A Blu-ray fanboy has entered the building.
I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
w00master
I personally care about higher storage size for backups. Were any of his points wrong? What are these advantages of HD-DVD that you talk about?
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lol, isn't there already a thread for this blu-ray vs hd-dvd 'discussion'?
Use for movies, and use as a replacement for CD-Rom are two completely different topics. I'd say that the other thread concentrates on the use of the hd formats for movies, as opposed to the use as a write once storage medium. The storage usages are more important for use in a computer.
Use for movies, and use as a replacement for CD-Rom are two completely different topics. I'd say that the other thread concentrates on the use of the hd formats for movies, as opposed to the use as a write once storage medium. The storage usages are more important for use in a computer.
perhaps that is what it has evolved into, i hardly bother to look in the 'versus' thread nowadays, too much like fanboys slinging sales stats at each other... i followed it for a long time, from back when it started, and the discussion in this thread is more of the same.
on topic, i'd prefer a combo player/burner, and it would make sense considering that apple has a foot in each camp.
perhaps that is what it has evolved into, i hardly bother to look in the 'versus' thread nowadays, too much like fanboys slinging sales stats at each other... i followed it for a long time, from back when it started, and the discussion in this thread is more of the same.
on topic, i'd prefer a combo player/burner, and it would make sense considering that apple has a foot in each camp.
I would not be willing to pay any premium for a combo player - and would combo players have the same reliability? I just want big disks.
I would not be willing to pay any premium for a combo player - and would combo players have the same reliability? I just want big disks.
For the fourth time, the cost to allow playback of both formats with one drive in a computer is negligible; HP announced a $949 computer today that plays both formats. You wouldn't have to pay a premium.
There will be a meeting withe Final Cut user groups at the end of MacWorld. Possibly Blu-Ray is on the agenda, particularly if Apple does support Blu-Ray in some machines now.
It'll be interesting to see what that meeting is about.
There were 2 earlier Quicktime rumours that went nowhere... but also have potential
1) Quicktime was being entirely rewritten, from the ground up, in cocoa.... etc
2) Apple doesn't just want to download a movie, but rather all the extras as well... like a DVD does.
I'm wondering whether the Final Cut meeting could be concerned with a new method of creating menus (ie: interactivity) for films.
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Apple are currently a Blu-Ray supporter in name only though. Disney have declined to answer questions about being paid to support Blu-Ray. I doubt very much that Steve Jobs cares which format wins - Apple are all about selling content on iTunes - and if Apple did start selling computers with Blu-Ray drives, would it really make much difference to the format war?
Actually, Disney has denied receiving any money to support Blu-Ray exclusively.
And as for it making a difference to the format war if Apple put a Blu-Ray drive in Macs (and assuming it was capable of playing Blu-Ray movies), I would say that's a big "Yes." Just look at these forums and how strongly Mac supporters rally behind most every Apple product. As one of the most watched and scrutinized tech companies, don't you think it would be a big boon to Blu-Ray to get a real nod of approval from Apple with internal Blu-Ray playback?
Apple is most likely going to procure a Universal drive. They really don't have a pony in this war as much as many people like to portray.
To date DVD Studio Pro supports HD DVD out of the box and Blu-ray prep with a Telestream plugin.
There's no value in Apple choosing sides. They sell content production software. They don't give a shat about the format war.
Blu-ray/HD DVD playback isn't coming until HDCP/AACS/BD+/ is fully integrated in OS X.
Newsflash ....Universals will rule the day. Last CES it was about Universal chipsets from NEC and Broadcom. This CES should be about more integration and Universal player options.
I've ben looking at the few combo players that have been, and are, out there. The problem with all of them is that they are danged expensive. $1,000!
This would mean that we shouldn't expect HD playback for almost another year. Bonkers!
Apple must take sides now. If they put players in their less expensive machines, they will influence the outcome. Those who don't agree with that haven't paid attention to the figures.
Apple users buy digital downloads, and media, at a far higher clip than do their PC buying friends.
Sony has sold millions of PS3's, while MS has sold only 120 thousand HD-DVD add-ons for the 360. While HD-DVD has sold about 35% more stand alone players than has Blu-Ray, BD movies are selling at a 2 to 1 clip. That's important, because it's the amount of media sold that will determine who wins this.
If Apple could add a few million more BD players to the mix this year, it could move BD over the top.
Apple must get involved.
Sony has sold millions of PS3's, while MS has sold only 120 thousand HD-DVD add-ons for the 360. While HD-DVD has sold about 35% more stand alone players than has Blu-Ray, BD movies are selling at a 2 to 1 clip. That's important, because it's the amount of media sold that will determine who wins this.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
I wouldn't think porn viewers would care that much. Porn is cheap, HD-DVD is cheap, looks like a perfect match. But whatever floats your boat. Personally I was never very attracted to the sleaze look to begin with. Maybe a little pixelization would help cover up the flaws in the acting.
Apple is a member of the Blu Ray consortium, Disney is 100% Blu Ray. Try and think in terms of reality while it sets in.
I've ben looking at the few combo players that have been, and are, out there. The problem with all of them is that they are danged expensive. $1,000!
This would mean that we shouldn't expect HD playback for almost another year. Bonkers!
Samsung and LG both brought set top combo players to market in the past couple of months; they can already be had for $749. By this time next year I imagine set top combo players will sell for under $399. However, the prices you're talking about are for set top players, and not the drives computer manufactures put in their machines (which are much cheaper). HP is putting drives in their sub-$1,000 computers today that play both high-def formats. The cost to add playback support for both formats is negligible, and the least painful thing you can do for consumers is just make sure everything plays on their computer.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
The question is just how many who have a PS3 are buying movies? It's assumed that there is a percentage, but no one knows what it is. also, it's been reported that BD owners buy more movies than do HD-DVD owners. I have no figures for that though. But the numbers of movies sold are published numbers.
If Apple sold 3 million computers this year with BD playback, that could change those figures to 3 to 1, or even 4 to 1, considering that not all that many movies have been sold so far. It could push HD-DVD out to a bit player, by having studios that produce both, drop HD-DVD.
And that would be good, because then I could just type BD, rather than having to type HD-DVD all the time.
With so many more Blu-ray plays sold than HD-DVD, shouldn't Blu-ray be outselling HD-DVD by much more than HD-DVD? Especially since the Playstation 3, which is AppleTV and more, is selling for such a great price.
Probably because there are a vast amount of PS3's are gaming consoles, and not movie players. Duh.. Even though the games are on Blu Ray disks they don't count as blu ray movies. Add them to the equation however and your imaginary ratio would probably be close to accurate.
Samsung and LG both brought set top combo players to market in the past couple of months; they can already be had for $749. By this time next year I imagine set top combo players will sell for under $399. However, the prices you're talking about are for set top players, and not the drives computer manufactures put in their machines (which are much cheaper). HP is putting drives in their sub-$1,000 computers today that play both high-def formats. The cost to add playback support for both formats is negligible, and the least painful thing you can do for consumers is just make sure everything plays on their computer.
I haven't seen them anywhere at those prices, but they are still way too expensive at that price.
The $99 Hd-DVD price was a promotion for a short while, but BD is priced at under $300, and HD-DVD under $200. A viable combo drive would need to be no more than $400, at the most. Few people buy high end models, except at the very beginning.
Probably because there are a vast amount of PS3's are gaming consoles, and not movie players. Duh.. Even though the games are on Blu Ray disks they don't count as blu ray movies. Add them to the equation however and your imaginary ratio would probably be close to accurate.
Well yes, we know that. But, the PS2 was credited with getting many people to buy DVD;s when the technology was still young, and players expensive. That doesn't mean that everyone who bought a PS2 bought movies.
Yeah, Blu-Ray is more advanced than HD-DVD. The main advantage is significantly greater storage capacity. The second is freedom from MS's influence on the product.
Sony influence is better than MS? Please, explain how?
Significantly greater storage capacity? I could care less. That's what Hard Drives are for.
I'm not a big fan of MS any more than any of us here, but seriously how is Sony better? Sorry, I don't buy it at all.
w00master
As a movie buff, I do care. Sorry if it offends you that I might want to watch movies at home with the best picture and sound quality available. I don't want to have sit around waiting for that seemingly mythical day when digital downloads finally arrive in all their much talked about (but never actually delivered) promise. I don't want my movie watching controlled by Apple's iTunes Store and whatever hardware they deem to provide for viewing or be saddled with whatever Microsoft's current scheme might be.
I definitely understand this, and as a fellow movie buff I completely understand this, but it's been proven time and time again that the quality between HD DVD and Blu-ray is practically non-existent, so why is everyone in such a hurry in getting either format immediately and then having a debate about which is better?
Frankly, NEITHER are any worth any salt. Until content is there, until there's a multi-format player, it's not worth getting either one.
w00master
And that would be good, because then I could just type BD, rather than having to type HD-DVD all the time.
Finally, the most overwhelming point in the whole BD/HD-DVD (that IS hard to type) debate.
Well yes, we know that. But, the PS2 was credited with getting many people to buy DVD;s when the technology was still young, and players expensive. That doesn't mean that everyone who bought a PS2 bought movies.
Where did yo get any idea I was saying anything different about the PS3?
Alert the media... A Blu-ray fanboy has entered the building.
I could care less about either of these formats. The fact that neither side could come to an agreement to create one format and in the end screw over consumers ended my fascination on either formats. I honestly hope both of them die a miserable death.
And honestly, does it *really* matter which format wins? Seriously. Is it seriously going to affect your day to day life? I really doubt it. Get over it, both Blu-ray and HD DVD each have there advantages and disadvantages, but honestly does the consumer REALLY care about any of this? Nope.
w00master
I personally care about higher storage size for backups. Were any of his points wrong? What are these advantages of HD-DVD that you talk about?
lol, isn't there already a thread for this blu-ray vs hd-dvd 'discussion'?
Use for movies, and use as a replacement for CD-Rom are two completely different topics. I'd say that the other thread concentrates on the use of the hd formats for movies, as opposed to the use as a write once storage medium. The storage usages are more important for use in a computer.
Use for movies, and use as a replacement for CD-Rom are two completely different topics. I'd say that the other thread concentrates on the use of the hd formats for movies, as opposed to the use as a write once storage medium. The storage usages are more important for use in a computer.
perhaps that is what it has evolved into, i hardly bother to look in the 'versus' thread nowadays, too much like fanboys slinging sales stats at each other... i followed it for a long time, from back when it started, and the discussion in this thread is more of the same.
on topic, i'd prefer a combo player/burner, and it would make sense considering that apple has a foot in each camp.
perhaps that is what it has evolved into, i hardly bother to look in the 'versus' thread nowadays, too much like fanboys slinging sales stats at each other... i followed it for a long time, from back when it started, and the discussion in this thread is more of the same.
on topic, i'd prefer a combo player/burner, and it would make sense considering that apple has a foot in each camp.
I would not be willing to pay any premium for a combo player - and would combo players have the same reliability? I just want big disks.
I would not be willing to pay any premium for a combo player - and would combo players have the same reliability? I just want big disks.
For the fourth time, the cost to allow playback of both formats with one drive in a computer is negligible; HP announced a $949 computer today that plays both formats. You wouldn't have to pay a premium.
There will be a meeting withe Final Cut user groups at the end of MacWorld. Possibly Blu-Ray is on the agenda, particularly if Apple does support Blu-Ray in some machines now.
It'll be interesting to see what that meeting is about.
There were 2 earlier Quicktime rumours that went nowhere... but also have potential
1) Quicktime was being entirely rewritten, from the ground up, in cocoa.... etc
2) Apple doesn't just want to download a movie, but rather all the extras as well... like a DVD does.
I'm wondering whether the Final Cut meeting could be concerned with a new method of creating menus (ie: interactivity) for films.
Naturally, could easily be way, way off.