So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only. And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
still no list of competitor laptops with backlit keyboards...
I don't really care about the backlit keyboard. However, personally for me the most important feature I want is a 1920x1200 screen in a 15.4" macbook pro. I am very tired of waiting to upgrade my macbook to a macbook pro. Both Dell and Thinkpads have them.
I also think Apple has to do something about their pricing. I can get a dell xpsm1350 with a 2.4ghz processor, 4gb ram, 320GB 7200rpm drive, and 1920x1200 screen for $1500 and then run OSx86 on it.
I can't even buy a 15.4" macbook pro with a 320Gb drive or with a 1920x1200 screen. The closest I can come to that from apple is a 17" macbook pro with a 2.5ghz processor, 4GB ram, 200GB 7200rpm drive, and a 1920x1200 screen for $3149. Its over twice the price and I don't want the bigger size or the weight.
I don't see the ipods lower prices as being the reason for the lower margin issue which was mentioned as being necessary so others can't compete. I have no clue what that could be but hopefully it will involve macbooks because right now they are seriously behind windows laptops as far as hardware is concerned.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
That was a dumb decison. The move to high capacity is great, but at the loss of writing your data made no sense.
Sorry had to do it... even though I am looking at getting a mac as my next laptop, I did have an Alienware and it was awesome... Untill well it overheated and the CPU took a crap...
So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only.
I never said that. I said they will keep the BL keyboard in the high-end machines until they have another high-end option to offer in the MBP which makes trickling down the BL keyboard to MB feasible. The MBP has FW800, DL-DVI, Dedicated GPU, High-Res display, aluminum build, it's thinner, EC34 slot, faster HW, etc.
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And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us. It also reminds me our last discussion when I asserted that computers aren't priority for Apple now. They are busy with music players and cellphones. I am pretty sure they can come up with really cool ideas to revamp the MBPs, if they focus on computers also.
It truly boggles the mind how posters like you (there are a few of your hear) can have such warped ideas of the obvious. Yet giving you the benefit of the doubt you post the facts and links to the relevant data and still choose to ignore the obvious. I don't know if you are purposely being obtuse or have some physical or mental handicap that prevents cognitive thinking but posting to you takes away from the thread as it's just a repetition an reposting as you twist what someone else has said and then deny the quoted words you previously wrote so I'm gonna have to ignore your posts again because I certainly can't help further you knowledge and you certainly aren't help me. Ciao!
Look now you are being rude...really...Problem with u is that u have started loving Apple Inc. too much and taking it as your religion...u talk about cognitive thinking..I would say that you are not ready to see beyond the obvious...I like Apple when it comes to innovations, elegance but not when it comes to their cheap business and marketing policies like pricing their products in a way that would not make any sense et all...I think u definitely have some blocks in your mind which are preventing you from seeing things rationally..you are welcome not to reply to my posts as you aren't a help to me as well..
Sorry had to do it... even though I am looking at getting a mac as my next laptop, I did have an Alienware and it was awesome... Untill well it overheated and the CPU took a crap...
LOL Quite funny as I wasn't even tryin' to search for a notebook that has a backlit keyboard. But since you found one I guess I can say to what's his face that he's been pwned.
I'm actually ROTFL now because its' so late here in Japan and I'm giddy. I feel like we're on another plane talking about backlit keyboards.
I'm looking at my mobile with it's 1980's backlit keypad.
LOL Quite funny as I wasn't even tryin' to search for a notebook that has a backlit keyboard. But since you found one I guess I can say to what's his face that he's been pwned.
You're not thinking straight, are you?
That wasn't a list, that was one laptop that costs more than a MacBook Pro.
There is absolutely no business case for adding backlighting to the MacBook keyboard.
LI think u definitely have some blocks in your mind which are preventing you from seeing things rationally..you are welcome not to reply to my posts as you aren't a help to me as well..
I agree that solipsism went a bit over the top there with the personal attack, but in this case it's you that's not seeing things rationally. Where are all the laptops at the MacBook's price (or lower) with backlit keyboards?
Now, if you want to complain about the bottom-end macbook still having a DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive instead of a DVD±RW drive, be my guest. That really is a joke, because now even laptops a third of the price of the MacBook have DVD±RW drives.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
Really? Apple's specification page for the iMac DV 400 MHz (DV meant it had VGA-out, I believe) makes no reference to DVD-ROM that I can see.
The Dell Studio laptops have backlit keyboard options.
You're right and you can get the option for an additional $50, which makes the cheapest option $699. While that is certainly proof that there are keyboards available for even cheap notebooks, even if they aren't widespread by any measure, it doesn't take away from Mr. H's point. Apple would include the feature on all their MB's not just as BTO. As he stated, there just isn't a business reason to push the MB in that area right now. Isn't the MB already the best selling Mac?
Sometimes Apple's own database has gaping holes, hence sites like apple-history being useful. Your first link points to the model released in April 1999, the second to a model released in July 2000, skipping the pertinent October 1999 model. As I said, Apple went from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM drives, but then to CD-RW, and then DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo.
You're right and you can get the option for an additional $50, which makes the cheapest option $699. While that is certainly proof that there are keyboards available for even cheap notebooks, even if they aren't widespread by any measure, it doesn't take away from Mr. H's point. Apple would include the feature on all their MB's not just as BTO. As he stated, there just isn't a business reason to push the MB in that area right now. Isn't the MB already the best selling Mac?
No his trolling point was to provide proof of laptops with backlit. Whether it's two or "a list" is semantics. Actually I don't even know why he wanted to know. Who cares. Doesn't make a difference if Apple was the only laptop to have backlit. Point was backlit is not soem new found technology. It's old but marketed as PRO. It is in no way a characteristic of being PRO.
Really? Apple's specification page for the iMac DV 400 MHz (DV meant it had VGA-out, I believe) makes no reference to DVD-ROM that I can see
MacTracker is the best source for this, but I'll just link to Wikipedia instead of posting screenshots on Flickr. The first iMacs were tray loading and only had CD-ROM drives that could only read. The first slot loading iMacs that came in late 1999 had the option for CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, depending on the model. These were still only readable drives. It wasn't until early 2001 that Apple offered an option in the iMac for a CD-RW. The first SuperDrive came a year later in the swivel-head flat-panel iMac. That was cool design. Still have one.
No his trolling point was to provide proof of laptops with backlit. Whether it's two or "a list" is semantics.
It's not trolling, and whether it's two or a list really is not semantics.
If a large proportion of the market was offering backlit keyboards at or below MacBook prices, then there would be a good argument for it being a poor business decision of Apple to leave backlit keyboards out of the MacBook specification. As it is, Apple does not lose out to the rest of the market here so there is no point adding this feature to the MacBook.
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Doesn't make a difference if Apple was the only laptop to have backlit. Point was backlit is not soem new found technology.
It makes a huge difference as to whether it's a good business decision or not. Hardly anyone is going to choose a competitor's laptop over the MacBook based solely on the backlit keyboard issue, because there aren't many competitor laptops with backlit keyboards to buy instead.
As it is, you're just whining because you're unwilling to spend the extra money for a MacBook Pro. Tough.
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So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only. And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us.
Praise Jesus. Someone sees the light.
I believe the first iMac to receive a DVD drive was the January 2002 release of the G4 model.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP93
Nope. Teckstud is right, see here.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
Praise Jesus. Someone sees the light.
I don't really care about the backlit keyboard. However, personally for me the most important feature I want is a 1920x1200 screen in a 15.4" macbook pro. I am very tired of waiting to upgrade my macbook to a macbook pro. Both Dell and Thinkpads have them.
I also think Apple has to do something about their pricing. I can get a dell xpsm1350 with a 2.4ghz processor, 4gb ram, 320GB 7200rpm drive, and 1920x1200 screen for $1500 and then run OSx86 on it.
I can't even buy a 15.4" macbook pro with a 320Gb drive or with a 1920x1200 screen. The closest I can come to that from apple is a 17" macbook pro with a 2.5ghz processor, 4GB ram, 200GB 7200rpm drive, and a 1920x1200 screen for $3149. Its over twice the price and I don't want the bigger size or the weight.
I don't see the ipods lower prices as being the reason for the lower margin issue which was mentioned as being necessary so others can't compete. I have no clue what that could be but hopefully it will involve macbooks because right now they are seriously behind windows laptops as far as hardware is concerned.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
That was a dumb decison. The move to high capacity is great, but at the loss of writing your data made no sense.
http://www.alienware.com/products/ar...de=SKU-DEFAULT
There you go
Sorry had to do it... even though I am looking at getting a mac as my next laptop, I did have an Alienware and it was awesome... Untill well it overheated and the CPU took a crap...
Hell, I'd settle for, "Just as Slow, Half the Price"
So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only.
I never said that. I said they will keep the BL keyboard in the high-end machines until they have another high-end option to offer in the MBP which makes trickling down the BL keyboard to MB feasible. The MBP has FW800, DL-DVI, Dedicated GPU, High-Res display, aluminum build, it's thinner, EC34 slot, faster HW, etc.
And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us. It also reminds me our last discussion when I asserted that computers aren't priority for Apple now. They are busy with music players and cellphones. I am pretty sure they can come up with really cool ideas to revamp the MBPs, if they focus on computers also.
It truly boggles the mind how posters like you (there are a few of your hear) can have such warped ideas of the obvious. Yet giving you the benefit of the doubt you post the facts and links to the relevant data and still choose to ignore the obvious. I don't know if you are purposely being obtuse or have some physical or mental handicap that prevents cognitive thinking but posting to you takes away from the thread as it's just a repetition an reposting as you twist what someone else has said and then deny the quoted words you previously wrote so I'm gonna have to ignore your posts again because I certainly can't help further you knowledge and you certainly aren't help me. Ciao!
http://www.alienware.com/products/ar...de=SKU-DEFAULT
There you go
Sorry had to do it... even though I am looking at getting a mac as my next laptop, I did have an Alienware and it was awesome... Untill well it overheated and the CPU took a crap...
LOL Quite funny as I wasn't even tryin' to search for a notebook that has a backlit keyboard. But since you found one I guess I can say to what's his face that he's been pwned.
I'm actually ROTFL now because its' so late here in Japan and I'm giddy. I feel like we're on another plane talking about backlit keyboards.
I'm looking at my mobile with it's 1980's backlit keypad.
LOL Quite funny as I wasn't even tryin' to search for a notebook that has a backlit keyboard. But since you found one I guess I can say to what's his face that he's been pwned.
That wasn't a list, that was one laptop that costs more than a MacBook Pro.
There is absolutely no business case for adding backlighting to the MacBook keyboard.
The Dell Studio laptops have backlit keyboard options....
LI think u definitely have some blocks in your mind which are preventing you from seeing things rationally..you are welcome not to reply to my posts as you aren't a help to me as well..
I agree that solipsism went a bit over the top there with the personal attack, but in this case it's you that's not seeing things rationally. Where are all the laptops at the MacBook's price (or lower) with backlit keyboards?
Now, if you want to complain about the bottom-end macbook still having a DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive instead of a DVD±RW drive, be my guest. That really is a joke, because now even laptops a third of the price of the MacBook have DVD±RW drives.
Nope. Teckstud is right, see here.
This was part of the "CD-RW debacle". This was before DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives were cost effective; Apple put DVD-ROM drives in everything whilst their competitors were using CD-RW drives instead. Apple later switched from DVD-ROM to CD-RW, and later to DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.
Really? Apple's specification page for the iMac DV 400 MHz (DV meant it had VGA-out, I believe) makes no reference to DVD-ROM that I can see.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP121
The succeeding model, 500 MHz, doesn't mention it:
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP64
The one after that, up to 600 MHz, released in early 2001, very clearly only mentions CD-ROM and CD-R/W:
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP112
Summer 2001 (up to 700 MHz)... no mention of DVD-ROM:
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP109
It's not until the release of the iMac G4 in January 2002 can I find any mention at all on Apple's specification pages about DVD-ROM (Combo Drive).
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP93
The Dell Studio laptops have backlit keyboard options.
You're right and you can get the option for an additional $50, which makes the cheapest option $699. While that is certainly proof that there are keyboards available for even cheap notebooks, even if they aren't widespread by any measure, it doesn't take away from Mr. H's point. Apple would include the feature on all their MB's not just as BTO. As he stated, there just isn't a business reason to push the MB in that area right now. Isn't the MB already the best selling Mac?
Really? Apple's specification page for the iMac DV 400 MHz (DV meant it had VGA-out, I believe) makes no reference to DVD-ROM that I can see.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP121
Sometimes Apple's own database has gaping holes, hence sites like apple-history being useful. Your first link points to the model released in April 1999, the second to a model released in July 2000, skipping the pertinent October 1999 model. As I said, Apple went from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM drives, but then to CD-RW, and then DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo.
The Dell Studio laptops have backlit keyboard options.
DELL is selling off it's manufacturing plants. They are bleeding. They are trying everything they can do to attract customers.
You're right and you can get the option for an additional $50, which makes the cheapest option $699. While that is certainly proof that there are keyboards available for even cheap notebooks, even if they aren't widespread by any measure, it doesn't take away from Mr. H's point. Apple would include the feature on all their MB's not just as BTO. As he stated, there just isn't a business reason to push the MB in that area right now. Isn't the MB already the best selling Mac?
No his trolling point was to provide proof of laptops with backlit. Whether it's two or "a list" is semantics. Actually I don't even know why he wanted to know. Who cares. Doesn't make a difference if Apple was the only laptop to have backlit. Point was backlit is not soem new found technology. It's old but marketed as PRO. It is in no way a characteristic of being PRO.
Really? Apple's specification page for the iMac DV 400 MHz (DV meant it had VGA-out, I believe) makes no reference to DVD-ROM that I can see
MacTracker is the best source for this, but I'll just link to Wikipedia instead of posting screenshots on Flickr. The first iMacs were tray loading and only had CD-ROM drives that could only read. The first slot loading iMacs that came in late 1999 had the option for CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, depending on the model. These were still only readable drives. It wasn't until early 2001 that Apple offered an option in the iMac for a CD-RW. The first SuperDrive came a year later in the swivel-head flat-panel iMac. That was cool design. Still have one.
No his trolling point was to provide proof of laptops with backlit. Whether it's two or "a list" is semantics.
It's not trolling, and whether it's two or a list really is not semantics.
If a large proportion of the market was offering backlit keyboards at or below MacBook prices, then there would be a good argument for it being a poor business decision of Apple to leave backlit keyboards out of the MacBook specification. As it is, Apple does not lose out to the rest of the market here so there is no point adding this feature to the MacBook.
Doesn't make a difference if Apple was the only laptop to have backlit. Point was backlit is not soem new found technology.
It makes a huge difference as to whether it's a good business decision or not. Hardly anyone is going to choose a competitor's laptop over the MacBook based solely on the backlit keyboard issue, because there aren't many competitor laptops with backlit keyboards to buy instead.
As it is, you're just whining because you're unwilling to spend the extra money for a MacBook Pro. Tough.