I disagree. I think they haven't taken off because no one really wants them other than music industry executives. Millions hasn't been enough to make any of them profitable. But we shall see. (However, as a longtime music collector, I will never use one. My personal favorite service is eMusic, since it caters to my obscure tastes. Even then, I often buy a physical copy of those albums I really like.)
I do notice for someone that claims to have a MacBook and and iPhone, all 10 of your posts are pro-Microsoft rants. So I have a feeling any arguments I made would fall on deaf ears. I wonder why you haven't just bought a Dell.
I think many who don't "get subscriptions" perhaps aren't looking at things in the right way. I use rhapsody to EXPLORE music, build new playlists, and then from there (if I really like an album/group/artist(s)) I buy the song/album/whatever.
There's a lot music that I may find interest in, but don't necessarily want to buy. This is where (imho) subscriptions work very well for me. Yes, I'm paying a monthly fee, but considering I have over 4 million tracks at my fingertips, which btw I don't necessarily want to buy RIGHT NOW, I can still listen, create playlists, and do what I want with them (except for transferring them to my iPhone/iPod).
I'm not saying that subscriptions work for everyone, but they do work for a lot of consumers. Yes, millions. If Apple added this to iTunes (which I still haven't seen a good reason why not, if you don't want to subscribe, then BUY IT), they would completely and totally own the market and block off any competitors.
Where do you get your data for those numbers? That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Sure... MS will surpass the iPOD Touch in 2 years... if Apple stops creating products and starts selling livestock. In two years, the iPOD Touch will be insignificant compared to the next product that is around (whether it is an Apple product or somebody else). Microsoft has been dumping money into the Zune for years and they still can't sell the thing. This new ZUNE HD will cost as much as an iPOD Touch but will have less storage, less features, no apps, no e-mail, no web browser. It's just going to be another crappy mp3 player with a radio built in.
You sound like a guy that told me Apple would be gone in 10 years back in 1998. I'm sorry but great companies evolve and tweak their business plan. Microsoft can't fart without a committee of people approving it first. By the time they get around to making a decision, they have missed the boat.
You can't blame Microsoft for sucking, it's just part of being a big company.
This player has a browser. It will ship with email and the app store is already in progress. Look at this thing carefully, it really has caught up and in some cases surpassed the iPod Touch.
Honestly, who cares? All but a couple dozen apps in the App Store are junk anyway. The last thing the Zune, iPod touch, or iPhone needs is a million fart apps, 99c games that are good for nothing other than saying "okay thats amusing", and all of the other useless junk currently in the App Store.
Isn't that subjective?
There's almost a page of apps that have been helpful to me for work alone. Mileage trackers, expense trackers, task management...
I can't/won't leave my iphone if only because it would change my whole routine and I wouldn't have all that information on hand.
Calling it junk is just an opinion, and one that isn't widely held.
Well, even if the product is a sales failure like all previous Zune models, you really have to admit that they are catching up. MS can afford to fail forever on this thing, and in about 2 years time, it will start to surpass the iPod Touch. I expected it to be longer than 2 years, but it doesn't seem like it. MS really learned quick from Apple and MS has the money to fund the failures for as long as it takes.
LOL, you keep thinking that.
Right, TWO MORE YEARS for MS. And two more. And two more, and two more . . .
There's almost a page of apps that have been helpful to me for work alone. Mileage trackers, expense trackers, task management...
I can't/won't leave my iphone if only because it would change my whole routine and I wouldn't have all that information on hand.
Calling it junk is just an opinion, and one that isn't widely held.
I've got to agree. I've got four pages of apps on my iPod touch that I use DAILY -- most of them were free, but I pay for the ones that I deem worthy of my $$$. In fact, one of my favorite apps is Road Trip Lite. It's almost like a game to me to see if I can beat my the MPG I got on the previous fill-up -- and yesterday, I won
Yep, the quick turn around on Windows 7?and dropping the Vista name?tells you all you need to know about how Microsoft feels about it. Like Bob or ME, this version of Windows will not go down in history as one of MS's better moves.
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
I think many who don't "get subscriptions" perhaps aren't looking at things in the right way...
I'm not saying that subscriptions work for everyone, but they do work for a lot of consumers. Yes, millions. If Apple added this to iTunes (which I still haven't seen a good reason why not, if you don't want to subscribe, then BUY IT), they would completely and totally own the market and block off any competitors.
w00master
Not a bad take. This makes the subscription services less a competitor to iTunes and Amazon, and more a competitor to Satellite Radio.
But it shares another distinction with Satellite Radio, both are struggling to make a profit on their business model. They drop prices low to attract customers, but not enough have come in yet.
Apple's in a good place, right now. They could do subscriptions now, but it would muddy their message and add to their costs. But if condition changes, and the big labels agree, it wouldn't be too hard to create a sister service.
In the end, as always, the market will decide. But it's fun to try to guess.
I'm curious to know how long this device was in development as compared to what we are to expect as Apple's follow-up (answer) with the Touch at the WWDC. Hmmm, I kinda liked what I saw, but the video was horrible.
I always felt the delay with screen rotation on the iPhone/iPod Touch was intentional in case you only turned the device momentarily and didn't actually want the screen to turn... but I do find it to be unreliable at times and the delay does give the impression that it's "slow to respond."
I am waiting for MS to lead, not follow. The UI currently in the iPhone/Zune HD should have been done by MS years ago, given their wallet.
With their R&D budget about as big as Apple rakes in in revenues, I expect them to make UIs that presage your intent and blow things other than your socks off.
I don't know why everyone is excited about something that's already been done magnificently by Apple 2 years ago.
As they say, Redmond has fired up their copiers yet again.
I don't know of any media player period that offers AM. (Tell me one if I'm missing it.)
But Apple won't include radio any more than it would include a buggy whip.
Radio (as I grew up with it) is dead... corporate, homogenized garbage. PBS is great but I podcast that.
So we grew up at the same time. NPR is great and in even small communities (Southern Oregon) it is live and local and even HD ... AM HD. This is the only radio I know of that includes AM. As an audio only player, it rocks.
You're kidding right? I've sided w steve on this one. If you're serious enough about your music to get a devise to take it with you then when/why would you listen to the same 20 songs and ads and idiot dj's on the radio? if I need news/weather/sports/traffic .... there's an app for that too!
Do they have an app for SF Giants baseball on KNBR? I think not.
I don't think it is better than the iPod, but do like the idea of a radio tuner built in. HD is too new for a lot of people to benefit, plus no AM. AM HD could be sweet. I hope Apple gets with the program and includes radio in future iPods, and I don't mean just the touch.
Ok, so it's a bit pricey (this is Apple, after all), and doesn't work with the touch according to Apple's store, but here ya go:
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
In 2003 (the last data I could easily find) nearly 450 Million computers were sold in the USA alone. 750,000 thousand is impressive for a single sale, but it's really only a drop in the bucket. Especially if you consider computers in use, not just those sold.
That said, with SP2 things could yet turn around. But I still hold MS knew what they are doing when they chose to bury the Vista name with Windows 7. I'd argue Vista, as a brand, has fizzled; even if the OS ideas behind it really live on.
Strangely, the only thing that appealed to me in that video was the FM radio function. Still would prefer Apple to incorporate some radio function for my iPod touch for variety and keeping up to date on the news. It's inconvenient to rely on podcasts for news, especially if there is no nearby WiFi to leech off.
Fact of the matter is, the music labels want to make as much profit as possible, to do that they must remove Apples stranglehold on the ability to be the main distributor of music. Then make the companies compete on who will take the largest losses an give the labels as much money as possible. As per why many sites were DRM free before iTunes. Also subscription based has its perks, however I prefer things like spotify for that sort of thing.
As for quality wise, Im assuming your music is still on vinyl, for its ability to reproduce frequencies outside of the normal human audible levels, sit in a soundproof room and ensure that you control your breathing? Coming from being a manager of a radio station I have heard many an argument of quality this and frequency that. At the end of the day 99% of people cannot tell the difference, and when asked blind, usually prefer MP3 over CD or vinyl. So from my personal I believe largish experience in that area 256Kbps ACC will suit me well thanks, afterall my iPod plays it and it sounds good over the city noise!
This player has a browser. It will ship with email and the app store is already in progress. Look at this thing carefully, it really has caught up and in some cases surpassed the iPod Touch.
Well, according to the info (interview with the product manager) here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...-microsoft.ars ? the browser is IE6 (so, nothing that should be called a browser), there is no email client and they say that they do not want to duplicate work being done for the Windows Mobile platform (the Zune HD runs a multi-touch version of Windows CE and not Windows Mobile - there is not even a SDK for CE with multi-touch), so: no App Store. It also has no PIM functionality (calendars, contacts, tasks), no maps, no YouTube... it is basically a better looking Zune with a bigger and better screen. HD radio does almost not exist internationally, and why somebody owning a Xbox would use the Zune to watch HD content on a TV set slightly escapes me (unless used as a replacement while the Xbox is out for its bi-monthly repair).
I think it was no good idea to announce the device that early. The more time people will have to compare functionality to the touch, the less likely they are to buy it.
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
Vista is the right way to go. Win7 won?t even be out for another 6 months and even though it?s quite solid there will be some issues since it?s still before SP1. Vista on the other hand, despite the bad press from a very rough start and inability to run on slower machines, is in SP1, almost ready for SP2 and is quite stable for Windows.
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I disagree. I think they haven't taken off because no one really wants them other than music industry executives. Millions hasn't been enough to make any of them profitable. But we shall see. (However, as a longtime music collector, I will never use one. My personal favorite service is eMusic, since it caters to my obscure tastes. Even then, I often buy a physical copy of those albums I really like.)
I do notice for someone that claims to have a MacBook and and iPhone, all 10 of your posts are pro-Microsoft rants. So I have a feeling any arguments I made would fall on deaf ears. I wonder why you haven't just bought a Dell.
I think many who don't "get subscriptions" perhaps aren't looking at things in the right way. I use rhapsody to EXPLORE music, build new playlists, and then from there (if I really like an album/group/artist(s)) I buy the song/album/whatever.
There's a lot music that I may find interest in, but don't necessarily want to buy. This is where (imho) subscriptions work very well for me. Yes, I'm paying a monthly fee, but considering I have over 4 million tracks at my fingertips, which btw I don't necessarily want to buy RIGHT NOW, I can still listen, create playlists, and do what I want with them (except for transferring them to my iPhone/iPod).
I'm not saying that subscriptions work for everyone, but they do work for a lot of consumers. Yes, millions. If Apple added this to iTunes (which I still haven't seen a good reason why not, if you don't want to subscribe, then BUY IT), they would completely and totally own the market and block off any competitors.
w00master
Where do you get your data for those numbers? That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Sure... MS will surpass the iPOD Touch in 2 years... if Apple stops creating products and starts selling livestock. In two years, the iPOD Touch will be insignificant compared to the next product that is around (whether it is an Apple product or somebody else). Microsoft has been dumping money into the Zune for years and they still can't sell the thing. This new ZUNE HD will cost as much as an iPOD Touch but will have less storage, less features, no apps, no e-mail, no web browser. It's just going to be another crappy mp3 player with a radio built in.
You sound like a guy that told me Apple would be gone in 10 years back in 1998. I'm sorry but great companies evolve and tweak their business plan. Microsoft can't fart without a committee of people approving it first. By the time they get around to making a decision, they have missed the boat.
You can't blame Microsoft for sucking, it's just part of being a big company.
This player has a browser. It will ship with email and the app store is already in progress. Look at this thing carefully, it really has caught up and in some cases surpassed the iPod Touch.
Honestly, who cares? All but a couple dozen apps in the App Store are junk anyway. The last thing the Zune, iPod touch, or iPhone needs is a million fart apps, 99c games that are good for nothing other than saying "okay thats amusing", and all of the other useless junk currently in the App Store.
Isn't that subjective?
There's almost a page of apps that have been helpful to me for work alone. Mileage trackers, expense trackers, task management...
I can't/won't leave my iphone if only because it would change my whole routine and I wouldn't have all that information on hand.
Calling it junk is just an opinion, and one that isn't widely held.
Screws on the back? Maybe the memory is held in place by nails.
But remember, it's physically beautiful. Some people will want to sleep with it.
Well, even if the product is a sales failure like all previous Zune models, you really have to admit that they are catching up. MS can afford to fail forever on this thing, and in about 2 years time, it will start to surpass the iPod Touch. I expected it to be longer than 2 years, but it doesn't seem like it. MS really learned quick from Apple and MS has the money to fund the failures for as long as it takes.
LOL, you keep thinking that.
Right, TWO MORE YEARS for MS. And two more. And two more, and two more . . .
Isn't that subjective?
There's almost a page of apps that have been helpful to me for work alone. Mileage trackers, expense trackers, task management...
I can't/won't leave my iphone if only because it would change my whole routine and I wouldn't have all that information on hand.
Calling it junk is just an opinion, and one that isn't widely held.
I've got to agree. I've got four pages of apps on my iPod touch that I use DAILY -- most of them were free, but I pay for the ones that I deem worthy of my $$$. In fact, one of my favorite apps is Road Trip Lite. It's almost like a game to me to see if I can beat my the MPG I got on the previous fill-up -- and yesterday, I won
Yep, the quick turn around on Windows 7?and dropping the Vista name?tells you all you need to know about how Microsoft feels about it. Like Bob or ME, this version of Windows will not go down in history as one of MS's better moves.
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
I think many who don't "get subscriptions" perhaps aren't looking at things in the right way...
I'm not saying that subscriptions work for everyone, but they do work for a lot of consumers. Yes, millions. If Apple added this to iTunes (which I still haven't seen a good reason why not, if you don't want to subscribe, then BUY IT), they would completely and totally own the market and block off any competitors.
w00master
Not a bad take. This makes the subscription services less a competitor to iTunes and Amazon, and more a competitor to Satellite Radio.
But it shares another distinction with Satellite Radio, both are struggling to make a profit on their business model. They drop prices low to attract customers, but not enough have come in yet.
Apple's in a good place, right now. They could do subscriptions now, but it would muddy their message and add to their costs. But if condition changes, and the big labels agree, it wouldn't be too hard to create a sister service.
In the end, as always, the market will decide. But it's fun to try to guess.
With their R&D budget about as big as Apple rakes in in revenues, I expect them to make UIs that presage your intent and blow things other than your socks off.
I don't know why everyone is excited about something that's already been done magnificently by Apple 2 years ago.
As they say, Redmond has fired up their copiers yet again.
I don't know of any media player period that offers AM. (Tell me one if I'm missing it.)
But Apple won't include radio any more than it would include a buggy whip.
Radio (as I grew up with it) is dead... corporate, homogenized garbage. PBS is great but I podcast that.
So we grew up at the same time. NPR is great and in even small communities (Southern Oregon) it is live and local and even HD ... AM HD. This is the only radio I know of that includes AM. As an audio only player, it rocks.
http://www.ccrane.com/radios/am-fm-r...c-witness.aspx
You're kidding right? I've sided w steve on this one. If you're serious enough about your music to get a devise to take it with you then when/why would you listen to the same 20 songs and ads and idiot dj's on the radio? if I need news/weather/sports/traffic .... there's an app for that too!
Do they have an app for SF Giants baseball on KNBR? I think not.
I don't think it is better than the iPod, but do like the idea of a radio tuner built in. HD is too new for a lot of people to benefit, plus no AM. AM HD could be sweet. I hope Apple gets with the program and includes radio in future iPods, and I don't mean just the touch.
Ok, so it's a bit pricey (this is Apple, after all), and doesn't work with the touch according to Apple's store, but here ya go:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA...mco=NDcwMzE1Mg
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
In 2003 (the last data I could easily find) nearly 450 Million computers were sold in the USA alone. 750,000 thousand is impressive for a single sale, but it's really only a drop in the bucket. Especially if you consider computers in use, not just those sold.
That said, with SP2 things could yet turn around. But I still hold MS knew what they are doing when they chose to bury the Vista name with Windows 7. I'd argue Vista, as a brand, has fizzled; even if the OS ideas behind it really live on.
As for quality wise, Im assuming your music is still on vinyl, for its ability to reproduce frequencies outside of the normal human audible levels, sit in a soundproof room and ensure that you control your breathing? Coming from being a manager of a radio station I have heard many an argument of quality this and frequency that. At the end of the day 99% of people cannot tell the difference, and when asked blind, usually prefer MP3 over CD or vinyl. So from my personal I believe largish experience in that area 256Kbps ACC will suit me well thanks, afterall my iPod plays it and it sounds good over the city noise!
You better like it! Or chairs will fly.
We can lick um.
This player has a browser. It will ship with email and the app store is already in progress. Look at this thing carefully, it really has caught up and in some cases surpassed the iPod Touch.
Well, according to the info (interview with the product manager) here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...-microsoft.ars ? the browser is IE6 (so, nothing that should be called a browser), there is no email client and they say that they do not want to duplicate work being done for the Windows Mobile platform (the Zune HD runs a multi-touch version of Windows CE and not Windows Mobile - there is not even a SDK for CE with multi-touch), so: no App Store. It also has no PIM functionality (calendars, contacts, tasks), no maps, no YouTube... it is basically a better looking Zune with a bigger and better screen. HD radio does almost not exist internationally, and why somebody owning a Xbox would use the Zune to watch HD content on a TV set slightly escapes me (unless used as a replacement while the Xbox is out for its bi-monthly repair).
I think it was no good idea to announce the device that early. The more time people will have to compare functionality to the touch, the less likely they are to buy it.
It is all well known, yet, US Army decided to put Vista on almost 750,000 desktops by the end of this year. And I don't think Army will do another upgrade any time soon... so Vista is there to stay.
Strange, isn't it? Maybe Army actually wants an OS that is obscure in public. It might end up like having an exclusive OS only for them...
Vista is the right way to go. Win7 won?t even be out for another 6 months and even though it?s quite solid there will be some issues since it?s still before SP1. Vista on the other hand, despite the bad press from a very rough start and inability to run on slower machines, is in SP1, almost ready for SP2 and is quite stable for Windows.