I think if Apple wants to extend its market share switching to all carriers will solve the problem. To avoid collapse of ATT, Apple needs to give iPhone to Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile. This way every one can compete with their pricing and speeds. I think that's the smartest way to compete.
That's an advantage? Then how do you use a phone with more than one provider? GSM allows me to use my phone with different providers all over the world just by changing the SIM.
Because the SIM card is not required thre is more free space internally, without engineering around a very large piece of plastic for the data it actually holds that requires placement on the edge. Also, Apple can make their device with less pieces and without the visual obstruction of the SIM card slot. Apple could then spin this as a cost savings in engineering and construction that could lead to other chips that a GSM-based iPhone couldn?t have.
We?re talking about negotiations here. AT&T can?t counter Apple?s argument about how an AT&T iPhone can be used on any GSM-based network, because they don?t offer that option.
Uhh definitely agree with previous post, no SIM is what makes me NOT want ANY CDMA phone!! What happens when my phone dies and I need to switch into another phone immediately?? Uhh yea I'd be calling my CDMA provider.
Hey solipism, did you hear- AT&T really does suck! I keep getting validated daily lately- huh? Matte scrrens, AT&T , etc
Though I guess I have to put up with AT&T now, now that I'm in it.
The rational, intelligent individual would return the device within the 30-day period if the network didn?t suit their needs? which is why I?m sure you?ll keep it and use it as an excuse to complain about AT&T excessively.
The rational, intelligent individual would return the device within the 30-day period if the network didn’t suit their needs… which is why I’m sure you’ll keep it and use it as an excuse to complain about AT&T excessively.
But it does suit my needs.
It and only it offers the MMS texting, video making, voice recognition iPhone that I've wanted for the 2 last years!
ATT Wireless has a horrible coverage in the Washington DC area and no coverage in Metro. My calls get dropped all the time. Would definitely switch to Verizon, once Apple allows V to carry their phones.
I don't think people quite understand how the iPhone factors into AT&T's "slow" network.
If all the current iPhones in the US were on Verizon's network, their freaken download speed would be just as slow as AT&T's is now. That's a fact of physics. There is only so much bandwidth on any network. The more devices on that network and the more those devices access the network, the more the probability of that network becoming bogged down. This is especially true for the iPhone; on average iPhones are responsible for the same amount of traffic as ALL other smart phones combined in the US (and sits at 33% for all smartphone traffic in the world), even though the iPhone only sits at 15%-20% market share in the US. That's some serious network traffic.
Second, is Verizon's network even compatible with the iPhone? Don't people realize Apple isn't interested in making different models for different cell networks? This is why they went with AT&T in the US, because they were deploying the world-standard 3G.
It isn't that simple. The iPhone increases the strain on anyones 3G network, since it ups usage. Thus speeds are lower. I'm in Canada, so really don't know how the two stack up, but Verizons average 3G speeds will drop if they get the iPhone. On the flip side, AT&T's speeds will increase as iPhone users vacate the carrier, so there should be a floor where AT&T would stop losing users due to 3G speeds.
I really hate that Rogers demands a 3-year contract, however, I have to say their service and reliability has been pretty good. As soon as 3.0 was released, I had immediate access to MMS and tethering. AT&T customers are still waiting for that.
Last time I was in NYC using AT&T's network, the service was spotty and I had a bunch of dropped calls and couldn't always use the 3G cellular network when no WiFi was available. If I still lived in NYC, I would not be too happy with that level of service.
Last time I was in NYC using AT&T's network, the service was spotty and I had a bunch of dropped calls and couldn't always use the 3G cellular network when no WiFi was available. If I still lived in NYC, I would not be too happy with that level of service.
I guess you'll also be anxiously awaiting for every new iPhone thread now, right?
You got it- I love this 3Gs iPhone! The love grows daily as my wallet shrinks monthly with AT&T.
I learn something new everyday with it. So many things I have yet to figure out- I'm lucky an Apple store is not far from my job and we have the AppleInsider.
I do not experience any drop calls with the iPhone but I do with my Blackberry. I was very disappointed with Verizon and Sprint so I will stick with At&t. Unfortunately, any US carriers is not that great we should push all US carriers to match Europe communication networks ...no matter what carriers they have outstanding service and fast speed.
R&D expense for a phone that would only work on one carrier in the entire world.
More complicated supply chain issues.
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They won't - It will need to be an LTE (4G) version that ATT and Verizon will be going to starting Next Year - at least as far as Verizon is concerned.
The R&D expense would be minimal, you are only changing a very small part of the phone. Phone manufactures do it all the time on much less expensive handsets.
And the "only one carrier" ignores the fact that that one carrier is huge and would increase their potential market by 50%. Ok, I don't really know all the market share numbers, so I'm making them up... I assume US iPhone sales are 50% of world-wide iPhone sales, so ATT is 50% of iPhones sold. Verizon and ATT are about the same size, so assuming the same % penetration into the Verizon customer base, that's a 50% increase is global iPhone sales if they made a Verizon phone. (And even if my guestimates are off by half, a 25% increase in sales is nothing to sneeze at.)
That said, I don't see Apple ever making a dedicated CDMA phone, and agree that they would wait for Verizon's LTE network. But how long do they wait? Verizon isn't going to magically flip a switch and have LTE coverage across their entire network. It will take time to build out, starting with the big cities. If Apple makes an LTE-only phone, you will have NO service outside of those cities because you won't be able to switch over to their older CDMA network.
So Apple will either need to make a combined LTE/CDMA capable phone, or we'll be waiting much longer for a Verizon iPhone while they build out their nationwide network.
That's an advantage? Then how do you use a phone with more than one provider? GSM allows me to use my phone with different providers all over the world just by changing the SIM.
Um, have you tried putting another carrier's SIM card in your iPhone? Didn't think so. In fact, this is one of the reasons I paid to get out of my contract with ATT. Prior to a trip to Europe, they swore to me that my phone (not an iPhone) was unlocked and that I'd be able to purchase a local SIM card and put it in (I told them this was exactly what I planned on doing). A flat out lie. It took three weeks and many expensive overseas calls to customer service and finger-pointing at Motorola (blaming them for locking the phone) before I finally got an ATT customer service rep who admitted that all the other reps had lied to me and he was able to provide me the unlock code.
This combined with extremely poor service in the US was justification to pay the $150 contract termination fee. Now I have my very reliable Verizon phone for when I'm in the US and my now unlocked ATT phone, which will never again see an ATT SIM card, for overseas travel (it's essentially now a pre-paid UK Virgin Mobile phone).
You got it- I love this 3Gs iPhone! The love grows daily as my wallet shrinks monthly with AT&T.
I learn something new everyday with it. So many things I have yet to figure out- I'm lucky an Apple store is not far from my job and we have the AppleInsider.
I've had my 3G for about a year now, and I can't imagine now how I lived without it. Although I am envious of your ability to make videos and use voice commands. I'll have to wait another year before I can get a phone that will do that.
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That's an advantage? Then how do you use a phone with more than one provider? GSM allows me to use my phone with different providers all over the world just by changing the SIM.
Because the SIM card is not required thre is more free space internally, without engineering around a very large piece of plastic for the data it actually holds that requires placement on the edge. Also, Apple can make their device with less pieces and without the visual obstruction of the SIM card slot. Apple could then spin this as a cost savings in engineering and construction that could lead to other chips that a GSM-based iPhone couldn?t have.
We?re talking about negotiations here. AT&T can?t counter Apple?s argument about how an AT&T iPhone can be used on any GSM-based network, because they don?t offer that option.
There is no SIM card required with CDMA
Uhh definitely agree with previous post, no SIM is what makes me NOT want ANY CDMA phone!! What happens when my phone dies and I need to switch into another phone immediately?? Uhh yea I'd be calling my CDMA provider.
Hey solipism, did you hear- AT&T really does suck! I keep getting validated daily lately- huh? Matte scrrens, AT&T , etc
Though I guess I have to put up with AT&T now, now that I'm in it.
The rational, intelligent individual would return the device within the 30-day period if the network didn?t suit their needs? which is why I?m sure you?ll keep it and use it as an excuse to complain about AT&T excessively.
The rational, intelligent individual would return the device within the 30-day period if the network didn’t suit their needs… which is why I’m sure you’ll keep it and use it as an excuse to complain about AT&T excessively.
But it does suit my needs.
It and only it offers the MMS texting, video making, voice recognition iPhone that I've wanted for the 2 last years!
If the shoe fits:
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HAHA Nice!
If all the current iPhones in the US were on Verizon's network, their freaken download speed would be just as slow as AT&T's is now. That's a fact of physics. There is only so much bandwidth on any network. The more devices on that network and the more those devices access the network, the more the probability of that network becoming bogged down. This is especially true for the iPhone; on average iPhones are responsible for the same amount of traffic as ALL other smart phones combined in the US (and sits at 33% for all smartphone traffic in the world), even though the iPhone only sits at 15%-20% market share in the US. That's some serious network traffic.
Second, is Verizon's network even compatible with the iPhone? Don't people realize Apple isn't interested in making different models for different cell networks? This is why they went with AT&T in the US, because they were deploying the world-standard 3G.
If the shoe fits:
LMAO!! The iPhone's Ball n Chain!!!
It isn't that simple. The iPhone increases the strain on anyones 3G network, since it ups usage. Thus speeds are lower. I'm in Canada, so really don't know how the two stack up, but Verizons average 3G speeds will drop if they get the iPhone. On the flip side, AT&T's speeds will increase as iPhone users vacate the carrier, so there should be a floor where AT&T would stop losing users due to 3G speeds.
I really hate that Rogers demands a 3-year contract, however, I have to say their service and reliability has been pretty good. As soon as 3.0 was released, I had immediate access to MMS and tethering. AT&T customers are still waiting for that.
Last time I was in NYC using AT&T's network, the service was spotty and I had a bunch of dropped calls and couldn't always use the 3G cellular network when no WiFi was available. If I still lived in NYC, I would not be too happy with that level of service.
Last time I was in NYC using AT&T's network, the service was spotty and I had a bunch of dropped calls and couldn't always use the 3G cellular network when no WiFi was available. If I still lived in NYC, I would not be too happy with that level of service.
Why do I always seem to be validated lately?
Hey solipism, did you hear- AT&T really does suck! I keep getting validated daily lately- huh? Matte scrrens, AT&T , etc
Though I guess I have to put up with AT&T now, now that I'm in it.
I guess you'll also be anxiously awaiting for every new iPhone thread now, right?
HAHA Nice!
Something we can agree on - finally.
I guess you'll also be anxiously awaiting for every new iPhone thread now, right?
You got it- I love this 3Gs iPhone! The love grows daily as my wallet shrinks monthly with AT&T.
I learn something new everyday with it. So many things I have yet to figure out- I'm lucky an Apple store is not far from my job and we have the AppleInsider.
Why would Apple manufacture a CDMA iPhone?
R&D expense for a phone that would only work on one carrier in the entire world.
More complicated supply chain issues.
They won't - It will need to be an LTE (4G) version that ATT and Verizon will be going to starting Next Year - at least as far as Verizon is concerned.
The R&D expense would be minimal, you are only changing a very small part of the phone. Phone manufactures do it all the time on much less expensive handsets.
And the "only one carrier" ignores the fact that that one carrier is huge and would increase their potential market by 50%. Ok, I don't really know all the market share numbers, so I'm making them up... I assume US iPhone sales are 50% of world-wide iPhone sales, so ATT is 50% of iPhones sold. Verizon and ATT are about the same size, so assuming the same % penetration into the Verizon customer base, that's a 50% increase is global iPhone sales if they made a Verizon phone. (And even if my guestimates are off by half, a 25% increase in sales is nothing to sneeze at.)
That said, I don't see Apple ever making a dedicated CDMA phone, and agree that they would wait for Verizon's LTE network. But how long do they wait? Verizon isn't going to magically flip a switch and have LTE coverage across their entire network. It will take time to build out, starting with the big cities. If Apple makes an LTE-only phone, you will have NO service outside of those cities because you won't be able to switch over to their older CDMA network.
So Apple will either need to make a combined LTE/CDMA capable phone, or we'll be waiting much longer for a Verizon iPhone while they build out their nationwide network.
That's an advantage? Then how do you use a phone with more than one provider? GSM allows me to use my phone with different providers all over the world just by changing the SIM.
Um, have you tried putting another carrier's SIM card in your iPhone? Didn't think so. In fact, this is one of the reasons I paid to get out of my contract with ATT. Prior to a trip to Europe, they swore to me that my phone (not an iPhone) was unlocked and that I'd be able to purchase a local SIM card and put it in (I told them this was exactly what I planned on doing). A flat out lie. It took three weeks and many expensive overseas calls to customer service and finger-pointing at Motorola (blaming them for locking the phone) before I finally got an ATT customer service rep who admitted that all the other reps had lied to me and he was able to provide me the unlock code.
This combined with extremely poor service in the US was justification to pay the $150 contract termination fee. Now I have my very reliable Verizon phone for when I'm in the US and my now unlocked ATT phone, which will never again see an ATT SIM card, for overseas travel (it's essentially now a pre-paid UK Virgin Mobile phone).
Why do I always seem to be validated lately?
When I was last in NYC with my 2G I didn't have even the slightest problem at all...
You got it- I love this 3Gs iPhone! The love grows daily as my wallet shrinks monthly with AT&T.
I learn something new everyday with it. So many things I have yet to figure out- I'm lucky an Apple store is not far from my job and we have the AppleInsider.
I've had my 3G for about a year now, and I can't imagine now how I lived without it. Although I am envious of your ability to make videos and use voice commands. I'll have to wait another year before I can get a phone that will do that.