It should be obvious to anyone who's followed Apple for a while that they deliberately leave features out of rev. 1 products to make sure the hardcore fans (who bought rev. 1 as soon as they could) upgrade to rev. 2 the moment it comes out.
There was not a technical problem with the camera. Apple could have put it into rev. 1 of the iPad. But they didn't because a camera is going to be one of the "improvements" offered by rev. 2.
I did not believe that until now. I could not have believed it. Improvements, maybe, sure, over tiome, why not, but this? This is absolute HORSESHIT. They damned well left the goddamn camera out JUST so they'd have another revenue stream of suckers 6 months down the road. Apple has grown lazy.
And I have no intention of buying this stupid toy until it runs OSX.
My faith in this company is shaken with this device, and the absurd choice of the word "magical" in the ad campaign. Are you fucking kidding me? MAGICAL? Which hippie shroom dropper thought that one up, Steve?
Really.
Magical.
omfg.
He really thinks we're dolts.
And maybe we have been, but I don't plan to be any more.
To say this is "evidence" of one random, crazy, unsupported idea floated by a writer for the new York Times is ludicrous. It's like saying finding unknown scat in the back yard is evidence that a dragon was there. .
HAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha....best laugh I had all night.
I did not believe that until now. I could not have believed it. Improvements, maybe, sure, over tiome, why not, but this? This is absolute HORSESHIT. They damned well left the goddamn camera out JUST so they'd have another revenue stream of suckers 6 months down the road. Apple has grown lazy.
And I have no intention of buying this stupid toy until it runs OSX.
My faith in this company is shaken with this device, and the absurd choice of the word "magical" in the ad campaign. Are you fucking kidding me? MAGICAL? Which hippie shroom dropper thought that one up, Steve?
Really.
Magical.
omfg.
He really thinks we're dolts.
And maybe we have been, but I don't plan to be any more.
While I do believe they'll be adding the camera at or near launch, I agree with you in that I'm not dropping a dime on an iPad or promoting it so much as contributing to its search engine stats if i don't see that camera at launch. Planned obsolescence is one thing, but an "If you really love us, you'll buy this thing twice for no reason" mentality is shortsighted, greedy, and disloyal.
I have trouble believing Apple's that kind of company, which is why i fully anticipate a camera at launch, or that these repair parts are BS.
In fact, I'll bet a significant(for me, not for Apple) stock trade on it.
I just had a rogue thought......... is it possible that the camera modules themselves are in short supply?
Actually, it goes even further than that. The element zero used in the cameras themselves is in short supply. Commander Shepard and his crew have scanned and probed the entire Omega cluster, and still only found 25,000 units. Bad news.
. And you can't push someone off the fence if you haven't already put them on it.
There's a part of me that does want Apple to really blow everyone away and so I looked at the sales methodology to which you refer. This is what I came up with...
1. Create a pull of interested people
Check
2. Help prospects qualify themselves (how many of us signed up for notifications?)
Check
3. Play the trust game (the proposal)
"When you want the qualified prospects to become clients of yours, realistically what you are offering is expectations" (Apple has given the world perfectly reasonable expectations.)
Check
4. Create a win-win situation (tweaking the proposal)
"This is where you listen to what your prospect is looking for and tweak a proposal that meets ... their needs".
???
5. Close the sale
It's pretty compelling when you lay it out. While I don't expect any changes at launch, it would probably send thier stock through the roof if they added a few "overlooked" features and kept the price the same. Some of the features talked about, "lurking" in the OS make me wishful.
Instead I believe that Apple left the camera out of the pre-announcement, so the other netbook/tablet makers wouldn't feel that they should include one in a hurry.
So I am all for the theory that the camera will appear from nowhere as a "One more thing" item.
I couldn't see the reasoning for not having one so let's hope there is one in there by shipping time!
My ,02 cents.
Apple is getting quite a bit of heat about the lack of features. The networks said no to all you can watch subscribe, which would probably be bigger then netflix due to it also having T.V. shows. Apple can release it with camera and video, voice to text, add flash fir the 75%, or convince the networks the price is to high ( while it's free for the most part), or maybe a TV package and movie package. Just throwing it out there.
Well this is not good. I have pre- ordered a iPad here in New Zealand and knowing it could potentially get a iSight cam now im upset Either way i think if Apple really wanted a iPhone and Mac in between a iCam should of been a top priority for iPad either way i can guarantee iPad 1G is going to be worthless compared to iPad 2G next year
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You haven't, they're not available for pre-order.
If you are ready to order the device, then it must be suitable for your needs. If the next generation has an additional feature that you needed so badly, then surely this wasn't a deal breaker for you or you wouldn't have 'ordered' the device.
There are plenty of reasons for there not being a front facing camera in Jobs' keynote. Lack of software, the ergonomic issues of holding the 'pad while video conferencing, maybe some sort of real time image stabilisation will need to be developed to stop the person you're talking with getting sea sick from camera shake at your end. There are all sorts of reasons. I still don't see it as a killer feature or a necessary function for this device, given it's stated functions in the first iteration.
If a camera makes an appearance before the pad goes to market - great, if it waits until the next revision, then also fine - if it's not ready for the first revision it will wait until such time as it is, or maybe it's not seen as something that will ever make it to this device.
That is the nature of product evolution - there will always be a 'new version' around the corner, so either wait indefinitely or just buy the thing when it comes out.
That's just disingenuous. You have to buy a dongle.
Yes, you do. For those people who use this device and need an SD card slot, you can spend $29 and buy a USB and SD card 'dongle'. People that want to print will also have to buy a printer, and those who wish to drive will have to purchase an automobile.
Did Apple announce that this device would have a camera? Because people keep talking about this thing which apple forgot to add, implying it was an error or fault of the manufacture/product design.
I believe that maybe in developing a device for a stated purpose and then providing the hardware to achieve that stated purpose isn't an error. Unless I'm missing something?
That some people would like a camera, well, that's understandable. But I for one can't imagine how you could use a camera on this thing when sat in that big easy chair and holding this device in a steady, ergonomic way without the camera pointing up your nose. I also see that messenger still doesn't allow video chat between apple and windows platforms, and iChat use is tiny compared to users of windows live messenger.
So the camera doesn't form part of the stated purpose for this product, the ergonomics don't work and there's currently no software in place to allow cross platform video chat on this device.
So tell me again what's missing?
I can see this being an added feature in the future. I do not see it as a 'missing' feature at launch.
When was the last time many of you actually video conferenced?
PS> While trying to type this response, a damn vodaphone/nokia flash advert completely slowed down my machine and made it nearly impossible to type and submit this post.
Yes, you do. For those few people who use this device and need an SD card slot, you can spend $29 and buy a USB and SD card 'dongle'. People that want to print will also have to buy a printer, and those who wish to drive will have to purchase an automobile.
Wow, so you already know that only "few people" would like to have an SD-port in their iPad? Let me guess, you also believe that multitasking and a front-facing camera are merely desires of the "few". Come on, I kind of like the iPad, but this is dumb - the device clearly lacks some core functionalities, and it's only fair to point that out. Especially when Apple is trying to pad its pockets by offering functionality that should come standard in such a device at a premium (USB and SD). There's no excuse for this; the presence of those ports in the iPad wouldn't have hurt the design or the ease of use - they probably wouldn't even have driven up the price.
When was the last time many of you actually video conferenced?
I do it everyday, and so do most of my friends. Ever heard of Skype? Which, by the way, already works on Macs and iPhones and allows "cross-platform video-conferencing", so I'm not sure the software hurdles are as high as you claim.
I don't think these kind of leaks help Apple at all. I don't know how many will not hold back on the 1st gen because of this (if true) leak. But I believe it will affect sales.
Their target customer doesn't frequent places like this and doesn't have a clue about any of these rumors. They haven't been pining away for an Apple tablet for years building up a high expectation and laundry list of features it should have only to be disappointed. They will see it at StarBucks and at the airport and other public places. They will see the, no doubt, excellent ads that Apple will run and they will think "Wow, that thing is cool" and buy one.
I contacted the people who stock this replacement part and, it turns out, they have every replacement part for the iPad. I ordered every required part on overnight delivery (downside is all the parts cost me $3,839 rather than the RRP $499). Anyway, everything arrived by lunchtime the next day and I was able to assemble the complete iPad by around 9pm.
I even ordered an iPhone 3GS camera and retrofit it into the iPad. Needless to say, it's awesome.
It's so cool that Apple supplied spare parts to its partners 55 days before the iPad ships. I feel so special having the first real iPad in the world.
If Jobs really thought a camera was such a big deal, I'm sure it'd have been part of the original announcement. From a marketing perspective, there is no tangible benefit fro
"adding" a camera before you release the product. Clearly, the camera is not going to be in iPad v1.0; it would have been announced alongside all the other features. Jobs spent time showing off ACCESSORIES of all things; do you really think he wanted to provide a "one more thing" two months later without a crowd or mass media hype and coverage?
But like the iPod Touch and now iPad, the presence of a physical hook for a device does NOT mean that it was dropped or pulled for any reason. Let's assume that Apple has is or had already been hard at work on iPad 2.0 even before the announcement of iPad 1.0. These products aren't created overnight; work begins long in advance. And knowing Apple, they don't tend to change the external structure of their devices with every new generation (a la iPhone 3G to 3GS or multiple iterations of the unibody MacBooks). That means that Apple could have had every intention not to place a camera in v1.0 or ANY future iPad for that matter, but rather than re-tool a costly manufacturing process later on to add a camera hook, why not just build it into the bezel NOW, so that if at some point you decide to add a camera in v2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0, you can do so without have to physically modify your machining process. This simply makes logical financial sense and is indicative of the kind of future/forward-thinking that Apple employs.
Seeing as Apple was under no deadline to release a tablet other than the one they created for themselves through leaks and specs released to manufacturing partners, it's obvious that if they had a problem with cameras and felt that it was critical to the end user experience, they could have waited until those challenges were resolved. But they didn't. And so since Ocam's Razor had already been brought up, the conspiracy theory of leaving a feature off a device for the sole purpose of driving adoption of v2.0 is NOT the simplest explanation. iPad v1.0 is going to sell well even without a camera, and the addition of a camera alone is not going to drive 1.0 owners to upgrade. Therefore, the simplest explanation is that v2.0 will have the same screen bezel and Apple simply doesn't want to resubmit new specs to a manufacturing partner (specs that tend to get leaked and interpreted as impending product launch/update by the way) when it comes time for the next product refresh.
Wow, so you already know that only "few people" would like to have an SD-port in their iPad? Let me guess, you also believe that multitasking and a front-facing camera are merely desires of the "few". Come on, I kind of like the iPad, but this is dumb - the device clearly lacks some core functionalities, and it's only fair to point that out. Especially when Apple is trying to pad its pockets by offering functionality that should come standard in such a device at a premium (USB and SD). There's no excuse for this; the presence of those ports in the iPad wouldn't have hurt the design or the ease of use - they probably wouldn't even have driven up the price.
Nope, it's a media consumption device. It currently lacks Flash. Flash is the one technology it MUST have which is currently doesn't. And yes, I do know that a minority of people will use an SD card slot, as few people currently use SD cards - in the UK at least they're used by photographers for cameras - that's about it, no doubt the reason why the USB and SD kit is referred to as the "camera" accessory for iPad.
(That damn advert at the top of this page is still destroying the web site. Go Flash!)
The target audience for this device either don't know what an SD card even is, or have a grown up computer at work/in their home office for work.
I know some people just don't get this. But it's a web browser, you can check your email and read ebooks, while playing music (and some people will prepare home accounts or the church newsletter on.) That it might be used for more - great. But it's a consumer level device.
Oh, and multitasking (which it already does) is the desire of a few, most users of this device won't even know what multi-tasking is.
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...Gotta have something physical to add in iPad 2.0 aside from adding new buttons via a software OS update!
Gotta have something tangible to add to iPad 2.0 in order to justify another $100 markup.
I, for one, hope, the additional camera comes at no additional cost. It'd surely wipe the competition away somewhat further.
It should be obvious to anyone who's followed Apple for a while that they deliberately leave features out of rev. 1 products to make sure the hardcore fans (who bought rev. 1 as soon as they could) upgrade to rev. 2 the moment it comes out.
There was not a technical problem with the camera. Apple could have put it into rev. 1 of the iPad. But they didn't because a camera is going to be one of the "improvements" offered by rev. 2.
I did not believe that until now. I could not have believed it. Improvements, maybe, sure, over tiome, why not, but this? This is absolute HORSESHIT. They damned well left the goddamn camera out JUST so they'd have another revenue stream of suckers 6 months down the road. Apple has grown lazy.
And I have no intention of buying this stupid toy until it runs OSX.
My faith in this company is shaken with this device, and the absurd choice of the word "magical" in the ad campaign. Are you fucking kidding me? MAGICAL? Which hippie shroom dropper thought that one up, Steve?
Really.
Magical.
omfg.
He really thinks we're dolts.
And maybe we have been, but I don't plan to be any more.
To say this is "evidence" of one random, crazy, unsupported idea floated by a writer for the new York Times is ludicrous. It's like saying finding unknown scat in the back yard is evidence that a dragon was there. .
HAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha....best laugh I had all night.
I did not believe that until now. I could not have believed it. Improvements, maybe, sure, over tiome, why not, but this? This is absolute HORSESHIT. They damned well left the goddamn camera out JUST so they'd have another revenue stream of suckers 6 months down the road. Apple has grown lazy.
And I have no intention of buying this stupid toy until it runs OSX.
My faith in this company is shaken with this device, and the absurd choice of the word "magical" in the ad campaign. Are you fucking kidding me? MAGICAL? Which hippie shroom dropper thought that one up, Steve?
Really.
Magical.
omfg.
He really thinks we're dolts.
And maybe we have been, but I don't plan to be any more.
While I do believe they'll be adding the camera at or near launch, I agree with you in that I'm not dropping a dime on an iPad or promoting it so much as contributing to its search engine stats if i don't see that camera at launch. Planned obsolescence is one thing, but an "If you really love us, you'll buy this thing twice for no reason" mentality is shortsighted, greedy, and disloyal.
I have trouble believing Apple's that kind of company, which is why i fully anticipate a camera at launch, or that these repair parts are BS.
In fact, I'll bet a significant(for me, not for Apple) stock trade on it.
I just had a rogue thought......... is it possible that the camera modules themselves are in short supply?
Actually, it goes even further than that. The element zero used in the cameras themselves is in short supply. Commander Shepard and his crew have scanned and probed the entire Omega cluster, and still only found 25,000 units. Bad news.
. And you can't push someone off the fence if you haven't already put them on it.
There's a part of me that does want Apple to really blow everyone away and so I looked at the sales methodology to which you refer. This is what I came up with...
1. Create a pull of interested people
Check
2. Help prospects qualify themselves (how many of us signed up for notifications?)
Check
3. Play the trust game (the proposal)
"When you want the qualified prospects to become clients of yours, realistically what you are offering is expectations" (Apple has given the world perfectly reasonable expectations.)
Check
4. Create a win-win situation (tweaking the proposal)
"This is where you listen to what your prospect is looking for and tweak a proposal that meets ... their needs".
???
5. Close the sale
It's pretty compelling when you lay it out. While I don't expect any changes at launch, it would probably send thier stock through the roof if they added a few "overlooked" features and kept the price the same. Some of the features talked about, "lurking" in the OS make me wishful.
If you were Apple, wouldn't you announce a forward facing camera for the iPhone first.
And then announce a change in the specification of the iPad just before launch.
Because I would.
Of course, that would mean including software support for a camera in the iPad.
C.
So I am all for the theory that the camera will appear from nowhere as a "One more thing" item.
I couldn't see the reasoning for not having one so let's hope there is one in there by shipping time!
My ,02 cents.
Apple is getting quite a bit of heat about the lack of features. The networks said no to all you can watch subscribe, which would probably be bigger then netflix due to it also having T.V. shows. Apple can release it with camera and video, voice to text, add flash fir the 75%, or convince the networks the price is to high ( while it's free for the most part), or maybe a TV package and movie package. Just throwing it out there.
Godspeed all!!!
Well this is not good. I have pre- ordered a iPad here in New Zealand and knowing it could potentially get a iSight cam now im upset
G as in Generation
You haven't, they're not available for pre-order.
If you are ready to order the device, then it must be suitable for your needs. If the next generation has an additional feature that you needed so badly, then surely this wasn't a deal breaker for you or you wouldn't have 'ordered' the device.
There are plenty of reasons for there not being a front facing camera in Jobs' keynote. Lack of software, the ergonomic issues of holding the 'pad while video conferencing, maybe some sort of real time image stabilisation will need to be developed to stop the person you're talking with getting sea sick from camera shake at your end. There are all sorts of reasons. I still don't see it as a killer feature or a necessary function for this device, given it's stated functions in the first iteration.
If a camera makes an appearance before the pad goes to market - great, if it waits until the next revision, then also fine - if it's not ready for the first revision it will wait until such time as it is, or maybe it's not seen as something that will ever make it to this device.
That is the nature of product evolution - there will always be a 'new version' around the corner, so either wait indefinitely or just buy the thing when it comes out.
STILL needs an SD Card slot!!
it STILL has one. D'oh.
it STILL has one. D'oh.
That's just disingenuous. You have to buy a dongle.
That's just disingenuous. You have to buy a dongle.
Yes, you do. For those people who use this device and need an SD card slot, you can spend $29 and buy a USB and SD card 'dongle'. People that want to print will also have to buy a printer, and those who wish to drive will have to purchase an automobile.
Did Apple announce that this device would have a camera? Because people keep talking about this thing which apple forgot to add, implying it was an error or fault of the manufacture/product design.
I believe that maybe in developing a device for a stated purpose and then providing the hardware to achieve that stated purpose isn't an error. Unless I'm missing something?
That some people would like a camera, well, that's understandable. But I for one can't imagine how you could use a camera on this thing when sat in that big easy chair and holding this device in a steady, ergonomic way without the camera pointing up your nose. I also see that messenger still doesn't allow video chat between apple and windows platforms, and iChat use is tiny compared to users of windows live messenger.
So the camera doesn't form part of the stated purpose for this product, the ergonomics don't work and there's currently no software in place to allow cross platform video chat on this device.
So tell me again what's missing?
I can see this being an added feature in the future. I do not see it as a 'missing' feature at launch.
When was the last time many of you actually video conferenced?
PS> While trying to type this response, a damn vodaphone/nokia flash advert completely slowed down my machine and made it nearly impossible to type and submit this post.
Yes, you do. For those few people who use this device and need an SD card slot, you can spend $29 and buy a USB and SD card 'dongle'. People that want to print will also have to buy a printer, and those who wish to drive will have to purchase an automobile.
Wow, so you already know that only "few people" would like to have an SD-port in their iPad? Let me guess, you also believe that multitasking and a front-facing camera are merely desires of the "few". Come on, I kind of like the iPad, but this is dumb - the device clearly lacks some core functionalities, and it's only fair to point that out. Especially when Apple is trying to pad its pockets by offering functionality that should come standard in such a device at a premium (USB and SD). There's no excuse for this; the presence of those ports in the iPad wouldn't have hurt the design or the ease of use - they probably wouldn't even have driven up the price.
When was the last time many of you actually video conferenced?
I do it everyday, and so do most of my friends. Ever heard of Skype? Which, by the way, already works on Macs and iPhones and allows "cross-platform video-conferencing", so I'm not sure the software hurdles are as high as you claim.
I don't think these kind of leaks help Apple at all. I don't know how many will not hold back on the 1st gen because of this (if true) leak. But I believe it will affect sales.
Their target customer doesn't frequent places like this and doesn't have a clue about any of these rumors. They haven't been pining away for an Apple tablet for years building up a high expectation and laundry list of features it should have only to be disappointed. They will see it at StarBucks and at the airport and other public places. They will see the, no doubt, excellent ads that Apple will run and they will think "Wow, that thing is cool" and buy one.
I even ordered an iPhone 3GS camera and retrofit it into the iPad. Needless to say, it's awesome.
It's so cool that Apple supplied spare parts to its partners 55 days before the iPad ships. I feel so special having the first real iPad in the world.
Gr@w\\!x
"adding" a camera before you release the product. Clearly, the camera is not going to be in iPad v1.0; it would have been announced alongside all the other features. Jobs spent time showing off ACCESSORIES of all things; do you really think he wanted to provide a "one more thing" two months later without a crowd or mass media hype and coverage?
But like the iPod Touch and now iPad, the presence of a physical hook for a device does NOT mean that it was dropped or pulled for any reason. Let's assume that Apple has is or had already been hard at work on iPad 2.0 even before the announcement of iPad 1.0. These products aren't created overnight; work begins long in advance. And knowing Apple, they don't tend to change the external structure of their devices with every new generation (a la iPhone 3G to 3GS or multiple iterations of the unibody MacBooks). That means that Apple could have had every intention not to place a camera in v1.0 or ANY future iPad for that matter, but rather than re-tool a costly manufacturing process later on to add a camera hook, why not just build it into the bezel NOW, so that if at some point you decide to add a camera in v2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0, you can do so without have to physically modify your machining process. This simply makes logical financial sense and is indicative of the kind of future/forward-thinking that Apple employs.
Seeing as Apple was under no deadline to release a tablet other than the one they created for themselves through leaks and specs released to manufacturing partners, it's obvious that if they had a problem with cameras and felt that it was critical to the end user experience, they could have waited until those challenges were resolved. But they didn't. And so since Ocam's Razor had already been brought up, the conspiracy theory of leaving a feature off a device for the sole purpose of driving adoption of v2.0 is NOT the simplest explanation. iPad v1.0 is going to sell well even without a camera, and the addition of a camera alone is not going to drive 1.0 owners to upgrade. Therefore, the simplest explanation is that v2.0 will have the same screen bezel and Apple simply doesn't want to resubmit new specs to a manufacturing partner (specs that tend to get leaked and interpreted as impending product launch/update by the way) when it comes time for the next product refresh.
Wow, so you already know that only "few people" would like to have an SD-port in their iPad? Let me guess, you also believe that multitasking and a front-facing camera are merely desires of the "few". Come on, I kind of like the iPad, but this is dumb - the device clearly lacks some core functionalities, and it's only fair to point that out. Especially when Apple is trying to pad its pockets by offering functionality that should come standard in such a device at a premium (USB and SD). There's no excuse for this; the presence of those ports in the iPad wouldn't have hurt the design or the ease of use - they probably wouldn't even have driven up the price.
Nope, it's a media consumption device. It currently lacks Flash. Flash is the one technology it MUST have which is currently doesn't. And yes, I do know that a minority of people will use an SD card slot, as few people currently use SD cards - in the UK at least they're used by photographers for cameras - that's about it, no doubt the reason why the USB and SD kit is referred to as the "camera" accessory for iPad.
(That damn advert at the top of this page is still destroying the web site. Go Flash!)
The target audience for this device either don't know what an SD card even is, or have a grown up computer at work/in their home office for work.
I know some people just don't get this. But it's a web browser, you can check your email and read ebooks, while playing music (and some people will prepare home accounts or the church newsletter on.) That it might be used for more - great. But it's a consumer level device.
Oh, and multitasking (which it already does) is the desire of a few, most users of this device won't even know what multi-tasking is.