nvidia2008-- "If the 1st year of the iPad is relatively meh, by middle of 2011 you could see iPad 10" and 13" widescreens, with a specialised OSX for ARM announced. Boy, that would be sexy, no?"
why doesnt apple take their macbook, cut out the keyboard and trackpad, get smaller speakers, cut out the disc drive, swithch the hard drive for a ssd, cut out firewire, ethernet, slim down the profile in sleek aluminum, and place the screen unto the body, port Snowleopard into a touch interface,and VUALA!!! introducing the iPad Pro
why doesnt apple take their macbook, cut out the keyboard and trackpad, get smaller speakers, cut out the disc drive, swithch the hard drive for a ssd, cut out firewire, ethernet, slim down the profile in sleek aluminum, and place the screen unto the body, port Snowleopard into a touch interface,and VUALA!!! introducing the iPad Pro
Actually then people will complain, it's CRIPPPLED! OMFG! Noooo! Bad Apple! The iPad Pro should have a disc drive, better speakers, firewire, ethernet, trackpad and fold out physical keypad...!
Apple is supporting open format HTML 5. Flash will get no support UNLESS the device does not sell.
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Originally Posted by nkhm
I'm not arguing against the inclusion of flash - it's an absolute must, but it is for Adobe to fix their software so that this can be implemented - they've got two months and need to pull their finger out.
Apple is supporting open format HTML 5. Flash will get no support UNLESS the device does not sell.
I'd say from launch to end of 2010 Apple can clear 5 million iPads easily. Which they will then trumpet as "more than any eBook reader, including the Kindle".
Flash will be left out. Unless interest after 2010 wanes sharply but by 2011 you'll have a whole slew of new apps, web browsing will be the thing you won't do much.
Apple is going to bet heavily on the App ecosystem to make up for a lot of what people consider to be deficiencies.
Flash will just depend on Adobe to come to the table with ARM-enabled Flash 10+ running *smoothly* on Android, iPad, etc. Which could happen... If there are sufficient Android and iPad units out there.
Just a thought! How good would it actually be to have a camera on this device? You have a portable device which has some weight and not the easiest of grips - it s not as easy to hold as an iphone is it? To actually have any good image you would have to hold it steady at a certain height, otherwise (if we are talking about video chatting) you will have a shaky shadowy image of your chin.
If it had a camera people would be disapointed with the applications
Aspect ratio and resolution also concern me, as does the lack of Flash (although this really isn't Apple's fault). However, thanks to Air Video Pro, I don't think Codec support is going to be a big problem. Or did you mean anything specific by that?
What I meant is that my iPhone has horrible support for video and audio codecs. No .flac or .ogg, no DIVX, no lots of other common formats.
I have to transcode lots and lots of media in order to get it to play on my iPhone. I hope that the iPad will support many more standard formats out of the box or (even better) will allow users to install their preferred codecs rather than being locked in to Apple's choices.
What I meant is that my iPhone has horrible support for video and audio codecs. No .flac or .ogg, no DIVX, no lots of other common formats.
I have to transcode lots and lots of media in order to get it to play on my iPhone. I hope that the iPad will support many more standard formats out of the box or (even better) will allow users to install their preferred codecs rather than being locked in to Apple's choices.
I can't think of a single scenario in which you illegally downloading copious amounts of audio and video. Why would Apple care about supporting piracy? If your argument is that you had these from "back in the day" then I have to wonder why you are still transcoding. For fraks sake, even Handbrake isn't support DivX as a codec anymore. All MP4 and AAC-based codecs.
sorry - but I did not read through all the 100+ comments already posted but...
what occurred to me is that perhaps in order to meet a tight production deadline - they used the same manufacturing of the internal structural part for the iPad as was already on the shelf from other products - with the camera cutout - which may or may not indicate a plan to add a camera in the future - certainly leaves the option open.
if it were a matter of application or OS support - you'd think that they could have just made a quick photo app or something and then roll full video support etc into hardware rev 2.
With a camera - and an HDMI out option (even if via cable conversion) - and ability to stream Netflix and I might get one. Then again since Netflix is a competitor, I'm not holding my breath.
I wouldn't be surprised that there is a special team for the past few years working on porting OS X to run on ARM. Just like the secret team that was working on OS X for x86.
You are not a developer are you?
The iPhone and iPad both are already running OS X. It has a different UI and a different CPU. But it's OS X alright.
It's just not Mac OS X.
Apple could port the entirety of Mac OS X to the Arm processor. But what would be the point? To support applications which were never designed to run on a tablet? To acquire a UI that would be dreadful on a tablet?
Here's a suggestion: if you want to run Macintosh applications - Apple already make a range of computers to do exactly that. They are great. I have several. And Apple even make money selling them.
If you really want to see how a desktop UI works on a tablet, check-out Windows 7.
Come on, give it up. There will be NO FLASH SUPPORT on any iPhone or iPad device until Adobe can convince Apple that they have produced an optimised and profiled Flash build to run on these devices. Who here has used mobile flash? Its complete shit. Who here has run flash on 1.6ghz Atom powered netbook with 2GB ram running windows XP? Again, its total shit.
Try browsing the web with flash enabled on a netbook and when flash ads (especially those with fancy 'pop outs' or 'pop overs') and it grinds to a halt.
I don't know about you but flash NEEDS to be overhauled for modern low powered mobile devices.
The iPads the media saw could very well had cameras in them. They could have just had glass with blacked out area at the top fully filled in for the purpose. And of course, no software supporting it installed.
Maybe Apple wants to fully show it off when 4.0 hits and Apple was just not quite ready to show it?
And maybe 4.0 has some form of multi-tasking as well.
Flash will not happen but I guess that is good so people can still have something to bitch about.
Some people just are not happy unless they are bitching.
Guys, Apple genius is the real magical part in all this. As some have pointed out:
1a. Announce and wow everybody as much as they can.
1b. Say "60 days" and "90 days for 3G"
2. See how many suckers erm.. I mean early adopters sign up
3. Analyse feedback and backlash, complaints
4. Watch all other tech companies sh*t themselves coming up with competitors
5. Watch said companies come up with stuff in 2 months
6a. See which telcos come begging for the device, if any
6b. See which publishers/etc come begging to partner with Apple, if any
7. In two months, items 1 to 6 will be clear
8. 2 weeks before launch and production ramp, drop appropriate bombs if needed:
(a) front-facing camera
(b) iChat app
(c) defined multitasking
(d) price drops
So, given the hysteria on how great or how crap it is, I say things are falling nicely into place for Apple.
They have everything laid out to decide whether to roll with this "crap underpowered no-multitasking no-camera piece of garbage without 3G" at $499, or throw a little glitter into the mix.
It could go both ways at this stage, I say. We have about 50 days to go to see what turns out.
You must remember Apple has a roadmap for this product and they have to put out a [highly] profitable device, they don't do loss-leaders.
Some features may come, some may never (like Blu Ray after all these years).
Maybe Apple wants to fully show it off when 4.0 hits and Apple was just not quite ready to show it?
I think there is a small possibility that the iPad will ship with a camera.
Remember that Apple's most important single product is the iPhone. And it's coming up for a major new A+ hardware update after the speed-bump that was the 3GS.
And what is the most likely new feature for the 4th Gen iPhone?
A forward-facing camera!
So my guess is that Apple will not announce iPad cameras BEFORE they have announced a forward-facing camera for the iPhone.
Big press event. Video chat demo with Phil. One more thing; We are also putting the camera into the iPad. The crowd goes wild.
So the question is: Is it credible that Apple will announce iPhone 4G in the next 60 days?
Normally, Apple launch handsets in June. But June is proceeded by May. May is also know as "the month no-one-buys-an-iPhone".
Apple now allowing VOIP over 3G I can see their 'one more thing' being multitasking and iChat with video camera on the iPad and next gen iPhone. Multitasking will probably only work on the next gen iPhone with a custom built chip.
I have been posting about ichat for eons. Video on these things is a must. That will be the beginning of the videophone that failed since the 80's. And I do think multitasking is a hardware issue not software. It's already on the iPhone but only with Apple's apps because there's less than 50mb left for other apps after the OS and Apple apps are used.
And I do think multitasking is a hardware issue not software. It's already on the iPhone but only with Apple's apps because there's less than 50mb left for other apps after the OS and Apple apps are used.
Multitasking is NOT a hardware issue. The current iPhone hardware multitasks just fine.
It is not a software issue either. Excellent software already exists which allows any app to run in the background.
Instead, it is a matter of a huge multinational corporation who thinks that their customers are too incompetent to handle it.
Agreed, but the number of fake photos that look as genuine, plausible, and convincing as this, are far and few between.
You might want to think back a little. Last week will do.
BTW, I'm not saying whether these are real or faked, because I have no way of knowing either way. I'm just poking a little completely justified fun at people who never learn their lesson, and automatically assume that they are genuine because they show what they want to believe. As for why anyone would fake photos, I think that's an easy one. Look how much attention this company is getting,
Instead, it is a matter of a huge multinational corporation who thinks that their customers are too incompetent to handle it.
Or it is a company that realises that a delivering a consistent experience is more important to users than playing Spotify while we read email. We asked the market what is the most important thing in a Smartphone?
Err. Multi-tasking?
Eh ehhhh - sorry. That isn't on the board. The market's top answer was consistency.
Consistency is helped when every app that launches gets 100% of the device's resources. The app doesn't have to share those resources with five or ten other apps in an unseemly bar-fight for CPU, RAM and battery.
I do think iPhone OS 4.0 will offer more ways of switching apps. And new ways of having some background activity.
But what Apple won't do is present you with a phone that is running at 10% of it's normal speed, and then have someone in tech-support explain that you have to open task-manager to shut down all the applications you forgot to close.
More likely, I would imagine it was initially a "duh" feature (that any hardware engineer would plan for) that Steve nixxed as he was interacting with it. We shall see...
I think more like iChat was not ready by air-time to demo and iSkype doesn't exist either nor does Skype video over iPhone.
The more I get the impression Apple released the iPad in a hurry. They might include iSight, and they should. The whole keynote looked less polished than usual and with less "wow" than what we got used to.
Moreover, in non-US sites the price is provided (which is unusual for a non released product) and all prices are still in US Dollars.
This tells me that the iPad is somehow still under development, at least software-wise. iWork is nice and interesting, but some software is missing big time:
- iLife. After all iLife is a major selling point for Apple and one thing the iPad could really use to be a compelling piece of hardware
- iMagazines. Besides books, on a gorgeous color display, one wonders why Magazines have not been included (National Geographic just to mention one).
- Multitasking. I believe multitasking, at least a couple of background apps running while doing other stuff, is a major missing feature
All this makes me believe that the iPad wasn't exactly "ready for market". Although I understand concerns related to keeping the price affordable I wonder how much of an impact would an iSight camera have made on one side and how much of an impact would iLife made on the other... As well as iMagazines which would even have repaid themselves.
I will not buy the iPad since I am not really in the target. But being an Apple fan I would have considered it if it had some of the mentioned features, which would have made it "better at certain tasks".
I had a similar impression that things were rushed or changed at the end. Steve's presentation seemed completely backwards, as there was none of his usual buildup and ka-pow! He basically went straight to the reveal and then seemed to be very low key and reserved the whole time. Also, Scott Forstall and Phil Schiller both looked nervous (especially Scott) and everyone looked like they hadn't slept in three days.
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nvidia2008-- "If the 1st year of the iPad is relatively meh, by middle of 2011 you could see iPad 10" and 13" widescreens, with a specialised OSX for ARM announced. Boy, that would be sexy, no?"
why doesnt apple take their macbook, cut out the keyboard and trackpad, get smaller speakers, cut out the disc drive, swithch the hard drive for a ssd, cut out firewire, ethernet, slim down the profile in sleek aluminum, and place the screen unto the body, port Snowleopard into a touch interface,and VUALA!!! introducing the iPad Pro
Of course! DUH! Why didn't they think of THAT!
Of course! DUH! Why didn't they think of THAT!
why doesnt apple take their macbook, cut out the keyboard and trackpad, get smaller speakers, cut out the disc drive, swithch the hard drive for a ssd, cut out firewire, ethernet, slim down the profile in sleek aluminum, and place the screen unto the body, port Snowleopard into a touch interface,and VUALA!!! introducing the iPad Pro
Actually then people will complain, it's CRIPPPLED! OMFG! Noooo! Bad Apple! The iPad Pro should have a disc drive, better speakers, firewire, ethernet, trackpad and fold out physical keypad...!
I'm not arguing against the inclusion of flash - it's an absolute must, but it is for Adobe to fix their software so that this can be implemented - they've got two months and need to pull their finger out.
Apple is supporting open format HTML 5. Flash will get no support UNLESS the device does not sell.
I'd say from launch to end of 2010 Apple can clear 5 million iPads easily. Which they will then trumpet as "more than any eBook reader, including the Kindle".
Flash will be left out. Unless interest after 2010 wanes sharply but by 2011 you'll have a whole slew of new apps, web browsing will be the thing you won't do much.
Apple is going to bet heavily on the App ecosystem to make up for a lot of what people consider to be deficiencies.
Flash will just depend on Adobe to come to the table with ARM-enabled Flash 10+ running *smoothly* on Android, iPad, etc. Which could happen... If there are sufficient Android and iPad units out there.
If it had a camera people would be disapointed with the applications
Aspect ratio and resolution also concern me, as does the lack of Flash (although this really isn't Apple's fault). However, thanks to Air Video Pro, I don't think Codec support is going to be a big problem. Or did you mean anything specific by that?
What I meant is that my iPhone has horrible support for video and audio codecs. No .flac or .ogg, no DIVX, no lots of other common formats.
I have to transcode lots and lots of media in order to get it to play on my iPhone. I hope that the iPad will support many more standard formats out of the box or (even better) will allow users to install their preferred codecs rather than being locked in to Apple's choices.
What I meant is that my iPhone has horrible support for video and audio codecs. No .flac or .ogg, no DIVX, no lots of other common formats.
I have to transcode lots and lots of media in order to get it to play on my iPhone. I hope that the iPad will support many more standard formats out of the box or (even better) will allow users to install their preferred codecs rather than being locked in to Apple's choices.
I can't think of a single scenario in which you illegally downloading copious amounts of audio and video. Why would Apple care about supporting piracy? If your argument is that you had these from "back in the day" then I have to wonder why you are still transcoding. For fraks sake, even Handbrake isn't support DivX as a codec anymore. All MP4 and AAC-based codecs.
what occurred to me is that perhaps in order to meet a tight production deadline - they used the same manufacturing of the internal structural part for the iPad as was already on the shelf from other products - with the camera cutout - which may or may not indicate a plan to add a camera in the future - certainly leaves the option open.
if it were a matter of application or OS support - you'd think that they could have just made a quick photo app or something and then roll full video support etc into hardware rev 2.
With a camera - and an HDMI out option (even if via cable conversion) - and ability to stream Netflix and I might get one. Then again since Netflix is a competitor, I'm not holding my breath.
I wouldn't be surprised that there is a special team for the past few years working on porting OS X to run on ARM. Just like the secret team that was working on OS X for x86.
You are not a developer are you?
The iPhone and iPad both are already running OS X. It has a different UI and a different CPU. But it's OS X alright.
It's just not Mac OS X.
Apple could port the entirety of Mac OS X to the Arm processor. But what would be the point? To support applications which were never designed to run on a tablet? To acquire a UI that would be dreadful on a tablet?
Here's a suggestion: if you want to run Macintosh applications - Apple already make a range of computers to do exactly that. They are great. I have several. And Apple even make money selling them.
If you really want to see how a desktop UI works on a tablet, check-out Windows 7.
C.
Try browsing the web with flash enabled on a netbook and when flash ads (especially those with fancy 'pop outs' or 'pop overs') and it grinds to a halt.
I don't know about you but flash NEEDS to be overhauled for modern low powered mobile devices.
The iPads the media saw could very well had cameras in them. They could have just had glass with blacked out area at the top fully filled in for the purpose. And of course, no software supporting it installed.
Maybe Apple wants to fully show it off when 4.0 hits and Apple was just not quite ready to show it?
And maybe 4.0 has some form of multi-tasking as well.
Flash will not happen but I guess that is good so people can still have something to bitch about.
Some people just are not happy unless they are bitching.
Guys, Apple genius is the real magical part in all this. As some have pointed out:
1a. Announce and wow everybody as much as they can.
1b. Say "60 days" and "90 days for 3G"
2. See how many suckers erm.. I mean early adopters sign up
3. Analyse feedback and backlash, complaints
4. Watch all other tech companies sh*t themselves coming up with competitors
5. Watch said companies come up with stuff in 2 months
6a. See which telcos come begging for the device, if any
6b. See which publishers/etc come begging to partner with Apple, if any
7. In two months, items 1 to 6 will be clear
8. 2 weeks before launch and production ramp, drop appropriate bombs if needed:
(a) front-facing camera
(b) iChat app
(c) defined multitasking
(d) price drops
So, given the hysteria on how great or how crap it is, I say things are falling nicely into place for Apple.
They have everything laid out to decide whether to roll with this "crap underpowered no-multitasking no-camera piece of garbage without 3G" at $499, or throw a little glitter into the mix.
It could go both ways at this stage, I say. We have about 50 days to go to see what turns out.
You must remember Apple has a roadmap for this product and they have to put out a [highly] profitable device, they don't do loss-leaders.
Some features may come, some may never (like Blu Ray after all these years).
Reasonable.
Get rid of the 8. (d) price drop thing though.
Who knows what is going on.
Maybe Apple wants to fully show it off when 4.0 hits and Apple was just not quite ready to show it?
I think there is a small possibility that the iPad will ship with a camera.
Remember that Apple's most important single product is the iPhone. And it's coming up for a major new A+ hardware update after the speed-bump that was the 3GS.
And what is the most likely new feature for the 4th Gen iPhone?
A forward-facing camera!
So my guess is that Apple will not announce iPad cameras BEFORE they have announced a forward-facing camera for the iPhone.
Big press event. Video chat demo with Phil. One more thing; We are also putting the camera into the iPad. The crowd goes wild.
So the question is: Is it credible that Apple will announce iPhone 4G in the next 60 days?
Normally, Apple launch handsets in June. But June is proceeded by May. May is also know as "the month no-one-buys-an-iPhone".
Perhaps the launch is coming forwards?
C.
I can't think of a single scenario in which you illegally downloading copious amounts of audio and video.
Think again. Think about hundreds of CDs ripped into lossless format.
Think abut what my ancient Palm Treo used to support:
* Audio: MP3, AAC, MKA, WMA, WAV, OGG, Speex, WAVPACK, FLAC, AMR, ADPCM, ALaw, MuLaw, and Midi
* Video: H.264 (AVC)*, MKV, MPEG-1, MPEG-2**, MPEG-4 part 2 (ASP), DivX, XviD, WMV+, MJPEG
* Containers: Matroska, TS, PS, 3GPP, MOV, AVI, MPEG-4, NSV
Now think about what the iPad is likely to support. Now think about what Android tablests are likely to support.
And finally, think about whether or not the iPad is the best way to consume media.
And hey - didn't you say previously that you had plonked me?
Apple now allowing VOIP over 3G I can see their 'one more thing' being multitasking and iChat with video camera on the iPad and next gen iPhone. Multitasking will probably only work on the next gen iPhone with a custom built chip.
I have been posting about ichat for eons. Video on these things is a must. That will be the beginning of the videophone that failed since the 80's. And I do think multitasking is a hardware issue not software. It's already on the iPhone but only with Apple's apps because there's less than 50mb left for other apps after the OS and Apple apps are used.
And I do think multitasking is a hardware issue not software. It's already on the iPhone but only with Apple's apps because there's less than 50mb left for other apps after the OS and Apple apps are used.
Multitasking is NOT a hardware issue. The current iPhone hardware multitasks just fine.
It is not a software issue either. Excellent software already exists which allows any app to run in the background.
Instead, it is a matter of a huge multinational corporation who thinks that their customers are too incompetent to handle it.
Agreed, but the number of fake photos that look as genuine, plausible, and convincing as this, are far and few between.
You might want to think back a little. Last week will do.
BTW, I'm not saying whether these are real or faked, because I have no way of knowing either way. I'm just poking a little completely justified fun at people who never learn their lesson, and automatically assume that they are genuine because they show what they want to believe. As for why anyone would fake photos, I think that's an easy one. Look how much attention this company is getting,
Instead, it is a matter of a huge multinational corporation who thinks that their customers are too incompetent to handle it.
Or it is a company that realises that a delivering a consistent experience is more important to users than playing Spotify while we read email. We asked the market what is the most important thing in a Smartphone?
Err. Multi-tasking?
Eh ehhhh - sorry. That isn't on the board. The market's top answer was consistency.
Consistency is helped when every app that launches gets 100% of the device's resources. The app doesn't have to share those resources with five or ten other apps in an unseemly bar-fight for CPU, RAM and battery.
I do think iPhone OS 4.0 will offer more ways of switching apps. And new ways of having some background activity.
But what Apple won't do is present you with a phone that is running at 10% of it's normal speed, and then have someone in tech-support explain that you have to open task-manager to shut down all the applications you forgot to close.
C.
More likely, I would imagine it was initially a "duh" feature (that any hardware engineer would plan for) that Steve nixxed as he was interacting with it. We shall see...
I think more like iChat was not ready by air-time to demo and iSkype doesn't exist either nor does Skype video over iPhone.
The more I get the impression Apple released the iPad in a hurry. They might include iSight, and they should. The whole keynote looked less polished than usual and with less "wow" than what we got used to.
Moreover, in non-US sites the price is provided (which is unusual for a non released product) and all prices are still in US Dollars.
This tells me that the iPad is somehow still under development, at least software-wise. iWork is nice and interesting, but some software is missing big time:
- iLife. After all iLife is a major selling point for Apple and one thing the iPad could really use to be a compelling piece of hardware
- iMagazines. Besides books, on a gorgeous color display, one wonders why Magazines have not been included (National Geographic just to mention one).
- Multitasking. I believe multitasking, at least a couple of background apps running while doing other stuff, is a major missing feature
All this makes me believe that the iPad wasn't exactly "ready for market". Although I understand concerns related to keeping the price affordable I wonder how much of an impact would an iSight camera have made on one side and how much of an impact would iLife made on the other... As well as iMagazines which would even have repaid themselves.
I will not buy the iPad since I am not really in the target. But being an Apple fan I would have considered it if it had some of the mentioned features, which would have made it "better at certain tasks".
I had a similar impression that things were rushed or changed at the end. Steve's presentation seemed completely backwards, as there was none of his usual buildup and ka-pow! He basically went straight to the reveal and then seemed to be very low key and reserved the whole time. Also, Scott Forstall and Phil Schiller both looked nervous (especially Scott) and everyone looked like they hadn't slept in three days.