ATT has announced that they will soon carry 5 Android phones. I can't wait. I have dust under my iPhone screen and so I can get a new refurb to sell on eBay any time until June. I hope that ATT will sell at least one Android phone that will be a better device than my iPhone.
I wonder how many other folks feel the same way?
They've announce one today and will be available March 7th.
To be accurate, it's not first party apps that can multitask as the many Apple made App Store apps won't run in the background. It's App Store apps can't multitask, regardless of the developer.
Yeah - App Store Apps. And almost insignificant proportion of the App world, eh?
I find it amazing that you think it is insulting to call lazy developers lazy but it is OK for you to say the iPhone OS is "broke" because it is not doing the developers job in remembering where their apps left. It is also amazing that you admit that many apps do remember where you left and many don't and still think it is Apple's mistake not the developers of those apps.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
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I am a developer and I have several apps available in the App Store and I can tell you this. Apple provide the necessary tools for developers to save the status of their apps when they terminate. Some developers, which could be a 12 year-old in his mom basement, ignore this because they are lazy (didn't read the documentations), inexperienced, or both. Maybe you find it difficult to believe but there are lazy and inexperienced doctors, engineers, accountants, ... etc.
Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
You wont hear me complaining about copy-paste as a corporate user I think its compulsory and I use it all the time... Just because some ipod user doesnt use it doesnt mean it shouldnt be implemented.
Apple doesn't care about users like you. They design the iPhone so that the stupidest/most naive user can use it easily. Those types of users are (if we can believe the comments on this forum) Apple target demographic.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
1) I think you are grossly misinterpreting Apple's stance on multitasking. They are being responsible for the user experience by not allowing anarchical multitasking, unlike what Google and Palm are doing with Android and WebOS, respectively.
2) I see nothing insulting about his comment. The comment about 12yos in a basement is hyperbolic to get across the point that the App Store's ease of development and inexpensive entry fee makes it very easy for bad developers to sell apps. I know that that the Wii doesn't have children playing with an SDK and submitting apps so I feel secure when I buy a game cartridge because it's a completely different dynamic
3) Case in point, there is now an app to restart WebOS at a specific time because cards stay open and poorly developed apps cause memory leaks that slow it down and eat through the battery. These are phones are also for the average user, not the technically obsessed, so taking a proactive measure to not deteriorate the UX is important.
4) The problem isn't the best apps paired with the most technically aware users, it's the worst apps paired with the least technically aware users. This is the focus a CE company should have, not the small tip of the users at the top.
5) I can switch between most apps before other phones can switch between apps because the iPhone 3GS' more refined nature makes it work faster even though the HW is slower than most of the new phones coming to market.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
I understand what "suspend" mean. An OS "suspend" might not be the most efficient way since it will require dumbing the whole memory used by the app to the limited virtual memory. As you keep dumbing these data into the VM by suspending more apps you will experience slow response and decrease in storage space. It is much efficient if a developer who is very familiar with his own code to handle these events. Why use a 100MB virtual memory space for a game if a developer can achieve the same results with a 1 MB file in within the app.
This has nothing to do with multitasking, which basically keeping the data in the systems RAM to perform the tasks in the background.
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Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
Yeah.. they are not lazy but they are not smart. And you accuse me of insulting them?
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The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
I didn't say it is not useful. I said it is the developers responsibility. Different apps need to recover in different ways.
I doubt that the vast majority of folks who buy the iPad in the early going are going to be disappointed because the device isn't able to handle absolutely every imaginable scenario. It's success will hinge on how well it performs the tasks that Apple assures us it's meant for.
Apple has assured us that it is the best way to surf the web. And yet, the naive user will not be able to access many popular (and perhaps favorite) websites. IMO, they will be disappointed.
The average shmoe (who is often touted as Apple's core audience) doesn't care that iSteve hates Adobe. But the average shmoe will care very much that their shiny new "best web browsing" device fails to deliver.
Apple doesn't care about users like you. They design the iPhone so that the stupidest/most naive user can use it easily. Those types of users are (if we can believe the comments on this forum) Apple target demographic.
iGenius, what were you just saying about personal attacks? You're obviously just trying trying to start an argument.... The original Google G1 phone was laughable, they inovated and did some interesting things Apple will do the same.
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ATT has announced that they will soon carry 5 Android phones. I can't wait. I have dust under my iPhone screen and so I can get a new refurb to sell on eBay any time until June. I hope that ATT will sell at least one Android phone that will be a better device than my iPhone.
I wonder how many other folks feel the same way?
They've announce one today and will be available March 7th.
To be accurate, it's not first party apps that can multitask as the many Apple made App Store apps won't run in the background. It's App Store apps can't multitask, regardless of the developer.
Yeah - App Store Apps. And almost insignificant proportion of the App world, eh?
C'mon. Your exception dwarfs the "rule".
Yeah - App Store Apps. And almost insignificant proportion of the App world, eh?
C'mon. Your exception dwarfs the "rule".
That's the point, there is no exception, it's a blanket rule for the App Store including Apple's apps.
If you don't like Apple, you're a viral marketer.
If you talk badly about Apple, you're a PAID viral marketer.
Your viewpoint smacks of delusion.
You should get your anger issues worked out before coming here.
Personal insults have no place here. I will report this sort of post to the Moderators if it is repeated.
he's just one of those few that come here to be a problem for people, and enjoys getting people annoyed
Personal insults have no place on this forum.
I find it amazing that you think it is insulting to call lazy developers lazy but it is OK for you to say the iPhone OS is "broke" because it is not doing the developers job in remembering where their apps left. It is also amazing that you admit that many apps do remember where you left and many don't and still think it is Apple's mistake not the developers of those apps.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
I am a developer and I have several apps available in the App Store and I can tell you this. Apple provide the necessary tools for developers to save the status of their apps when they terminate. Some developers, which could be a 12 year-old in his mom basement, ignore this because they are lazy (didn't read the documentations), inexperienced, or both. Maybe you find it difficult to believe but there are lazy and inexperienced doctors, engineers, accountants, ... etc.
Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
In fact, I now routinely hear complaints from users that the pop up is annoying and gets in their way.
It is annoying. It gets in the way. IMO, it is badly implemented.
Most of us just want devices that are simple to navigate and work reliably.
The rest of us want devices that simple to navigate, work reliably, and are full featured. We think different from the herd.
You wont hear me complaining about copy-paste as a corporate user I think its compulsory and I use it all the time... Just because some ipod user doesnt use it doesnt mean it shouldnt be implemented.
Apple doesn't care about users like you. They design the iPhone so that the stupidest/most naive user can use it easily. Those types of users are (if we can believe the comments on this forum) Apple target demographic.
A simple formula - if you don't like it, don't buy it. See how that works??
I think that more and more folks are going to use this easy way out as more choices appear in the market.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
1) I think you are grossly misinterpreting Apple's stance on multitasking. They are being responsible for the user experience by not allowing anarchical multitasking, unlike what Google and Palm are doing with Android and WebOS, respectively.
2) I see nothing insulting about his comment. The comment about 12yos in a basement is hyperbolic to get across the point that the App Store's ease of development and inexpensive entry fee makes it very easy for bad developers to sell apps. I know that that the Wii doesn't have children playing with an SDK and submitting apps so I feel secure when I buy a game cartridge because it's a completely different dynamic
3) Case in point, there is now an app to restart WebOS at a specific time because cards stay open and poorly developed apps cause memory leaks that slow it down and eat through the battery. These are phones are also for the average user, not the technically obsessed, so taking a proactive measure to not deteriorate the UX is important.
4) The problem isn't the best apps paired with the most technically aware users, it's the worst apps paired with the least technically aware users. This is the focus a CE company should have, not the small tip of the users at the top.
5) I can switch between most apps before other phones can switch between apps because the iPhone 3GS' more refined nature makes it work faster even though the HW is slower than most of the new phones coming to market.
You seem not to understand what "suspend" means but more than happy to keep repeating the Apple mantra about multitasking and misdirecting attention toward "lazy" developers.
I understand what "suspend" mean. An OS "suspend" might not be the most efficient way since it will require dumbing the whole memory used by the app to the limited virtual memory. As you keep dumbing these data into the VM by suspending more apps you will experience slow response and decrease in storage space. It is much efficient if a developer who is very familiar with his own code to handle these events. Why use a 100MB virtual memory space for a game if a developer can achieve the same results with a 1 MB file in within the app.
This has nothing to do with multitasking, which basically keeping the data in the systems RAM to perform the tasks in the background.
Again, no need to insult (some) developers. Most of them do seem to "properly" save state in their apps. Those that don't, well, maybe there's not enough money to be made to bother. It's hard to say a developer is lazy in that case. Smart is more like it.
Yeah.. they are not lazy but they are not smart. And you accuse me of insulting them?
The point is that the iPhone is sorely deficient. Saving state doesn't really cut it for users who must frequently switch between apps. The ability to suspend apps would be incredibly useful and, I believe, would largely satisfy those users who clamor for "multitasking".
I didn't say it is not useful. I said it is the developers responsibility. Different apps need to recover in different ways.
I doubt that the vast majority of folks who buy the iPad in the early going are going to be disappointed because the device isn't able to handle absolutely every imaginable scenario. It's success will hinge on how well it performs the tasks that Apple assures us it's meant for.
Apple has assured us that it is the best way to surf the web. And yet, the naive user will not be able to access many popular (and perhaps favorite) websites. IMO, they will be disappointed.
The average shmoe (who is often touted as Apple's core audience) doesn't care that iSteve hates Adobe. But the average shmoe will care very much that their shiny new "best web browsing" device fails to deliver.
At least, that's my guess.
PS: Which Android smartphone is shipping with Flash 10.1?
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Go away. You are not positive contribution to this or any discussion.
Unkind, rude and insulting posts have no place on this forum.
Motorola Devour
Perhaps you missed the question: Which Android smartphone is shipping with Flash 10.1?
Really? "You find". You don'T understand the OS, so what you find isn't what's there. you're the only one who seems to want us to believe this.
This sort of insuting post has no place on this fourm. Moderators, please discipline this guy.
Apple doesn't care about users like you. They design the iPhone so that the stupidest/most naive user can use it easily. Those types of users are (if we can believe the comments on this forum) Apple target demographic.
iGenius, what were you just saying about personal attacks? You're obviously just trying trying to start an argument.... The original Google G1 phone was laughable, they inovated and did some interesting things Apple will do the same.
If you had a life
This sort of insulting condescension has no place on this forum.