I suggested that those who view this as a html5 vs flash issue, don't understand the issues. I stand by that. That's my opinion.
And the flash hater comment, well, before I posted I read this forum quite a bit, to notice that there -some-, that said all kinds of obviously untrue things, because they hate flash.
It's not a dig at all. I'm sorry if you had all kinds of trolls come through here, but it isn't like the others don't throw jabs around quite freely as I found out within a few posts.
No one puts words in your mouth, we just read what you write and interpret accordingly. Funny majority of people have interpreted your words the same way. I think you miss the point, if YOU jab someone that person will jab back. Seems to me you need to take some time to know the people before climbing into the ring like 800lbs gorilla to found out you are lightweight,just my opinion.
It's ironic that all these "iPhone-killers" create their product pages in Flash when they can't even be viewed on their own phones. Their is nothing in on the EVO page that can't be presented with more effiiency using open standards.
That is pretty funny, altho admittedly, the phone is being released about the same time as Android 2.2, which will have Flash 10.1, so they'll be able to view it on that phone at least. Like I said, the EVO is my fallback phone. My LG Lotus is nice, but I'm ready for something new and there is nothing else Sprint has that is remotely interesting right now. C'mon Sprint, iPhone or EVO, which will you provide me?
No one puts words in your mouth, we just read what you write and interpret accordingly. Funny majority of people have interpreted your words the same way. I think you miss the point, if YOU jab someone that person will jab back. Seems to me you need to take some time to know the people before climbing into the ring like 800lbs gorilla to found out you are lightweight,just my opinion.
Read what I just posted. If saying I believe people who see it as an html5 vs flash don't understand the issues, and recognizing that there are 'flash haters' here, is a jab.... I can't help you.
My opinions were seen as contrary, and people didn't like it. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
Read what I just posted. If saying I believe people who see it as an html5 vs flash don't understand the issues, and recognizing that there are 'flash haters' here, is a jab.... I can't help you.
My opinions were seen as contrary, and people didn't like it. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
I know the storey behind flash well, I've developed in it since version 3. I am considered a very advanced actionscript 3 programmer, but I write javascript, PHP probably a lot more. I know the platform really well. I have my own reservations about it, though I think it's still a great platform. I have began refocusing a lo harder on alternate technologies (we all have, at least the smart ones anyway). I'm no adobe shill, but I know what is truth, and what is just ranting.
At the end of the day, I have no allegiance to anyone, except my bank who expects a mortgage cheque every month. Don't misread my comments that perhaps correct something in adobe's favour, as a clear indication of a "side". I know only too well, having switched to developing on a mac in 2003 just how lazy adobe has been, and the problems the mac player has. All the time I had to account for the poor performance and frame rate on the mac player only to see it zip like a bat out of hell on a pc. But it seems people have been a little shell shocked with trolls or whatever, so perhaps that will be more obvious with time.
I actually don't blame people if they hate flash. I just don't hate it myself.
Android 2.2 has most definitely NOT been shown to run Flash 'just fine'. A couple of tightly controlled clips show it not crashing (after others that show it exploding like the 4th of July.) Hardly a consumer ready product. Pre beta at best.
And those clips do NOT show that it remains anything other than a battery suck.
Frankly, Adobe is the last entity I want representing my needs, being the #1 pusher on the internet of ads and porn.
Flash runs just fine on my HTC Desire with Android 2.1, device I bought from the retail store some weeks ago. Flash for mobile is THERE NOW and it works GREAT. Something must be wrong with your iPhone.
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
Amusingly it is actually a HTML5 vs Flash issue. Adobe has been playing games with HTML5 on the closed mailing lists which was what that previous ballyhoo was about.
Adobe doesn't fear HTML5 today, what it fears is that HTML5 can significantly reduce the need for flash in the near future (say 5 years). While Adobe has a significant head start in tool development, they don't have the same uneven playing field that they do with Flash and they aren't what we would call a particularly nimble company.
Add in the fact that Google and Apple ARE nimble companies with their own browsers and tool chains and you can understand the fear. Google could release a 80% solution (as they often do) for HTML5 content creation that takes a huge chunk of mind and market share from Adobe. Not in 2010 perhaps but 2012 or 2015? Sure.
The quake 2 GWT port to HTML5 Canvas and WebGL shows that the handwriting is on the wall for flash games. Timeline animation and tweening are two features that could be written into any HTML5/WebGL based game engine. One that if Google builds will be free...and supported by both Android and likely the iPhone. That's but one example of the overall threat of HTML5 to Adobe's content creation market share. TuneKit and other are more examples...and while Adobe could afford to acquire Macromedia it can't do so with Apple and Google...both of whom have their own strategic buying agendas.
In a war between Apple, Google and MS for the mobile computing space collateral damage to Adobe's product line is more than likely.
To state that folks misunderstand this threat to Adobe is disingenuous.
Why didn't Adobe run an ad that informs everyone about the strengths of Flash (maybe because they couldn't).
What a bunch of losers!
Haha couldn't agree more! I visited a Flickr gallery the other day and it made my laptop heat up, fans spin up. It's poorly written software and they have not modernised their code because they've taken the easy road to maximise profits rather than develop and innovate.
I love how Steve has taken a stance in our interests and is winning the war. Well done to Steve and thank you!
The hungry to the max Flash gallery. Try clicking through the images quickly. My browser goes over 100% of one core usage (50% total on a Core 2 Duo).
Haha couldn't agree more! I visited a Flickr gallery the other day and it made my laptop heat up, fans spin up. It's poorly written software and they have not modernised their code because they've taken the easy road to maximise profits rather than develop and innovate.
I love how Steve has taken a stance in our interests and is winning the war. Well done to Steve and thank you!
The hungry to the max Flash gallery. Try clicking through the images quickly. My browser goes over 100% of one core usage (50% total on a Core 2 Duo).
Devils advocate, Adobe could argue that the website is badly coded - a crap flash application is going to be just as bad as a badly written Flash plugin.
Have you tried 10.1RC7 with Safari 5? the ability for Flash 10.1 to access Core Animation has dramatically cut the CPU utilisation and hopefully once Flash 10.1 Gala is released the CPU utilisation will drop even further.
Clearly the poster was talking about the fans ramping up because of much higher heat.
I didn't hear my fans ramp up at all. There. All better now?
With other posters I would have that thought that is what they meant, but you are so slanted any against tech that competes with Flash and have made such wild exaggerated claims about Flash being just as efficient, if not more so, as native webcode that it seems unlikely you would write that if it wasn't what you were trying to spin.
PS: Do you often refer to yourself in the third person?
With other posters I would have that thought that is what they meant, but you are so slanted any against tech that competes with Flash and have made such wild exaggerated claims about Flash being just as efficient, if not more so, as native webcode that it seems unlikely you would write that if it wasn't what you were trying to spin.
PS: Do you often refer to yourself in the third person?
you're full of crap. I have not been slanted whatsoever. I simply set things straight. Please show where. I write in a number of different languages, and think each one is very good at certain things. I'm not a fool shrieking nonsense about one technology, like a few I've seen here.
And, show where I refer to myself in the 3rd person. I believe in my last few posts, "I", and "my", is not 3rd person.
Do you always bullshit like this? Seems to come naturally.
You can show where the "wild exaggerated claims" are too while you're at it. But I won't hold my breath...
you're full of crap. I have not been slanted whatsoever. I simply set things straight. Please show where. I write in a number of different languages, and think each one is very good at certain things. I'm not a fool shrieking nonsense about one technology, like a few I've seen here.
And, show where I refer to myself in the 3rd person. I believe in my last few posts, "I", and "my", is not 3rd person.
Do you always bullshit like this? Seems to come naturally.
I commented on this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groovetube
...my fans didn't come on at all.
You followed up with this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groovetube
Clearly the poster...
it's great that you "write in a number of different languages", perhaps you should include English as one of them.
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http://www.zeldman.com/wp-content/n4f.png
that's hilarious.
no, don't put words in my mouth.
I suggested that those who view this as a html5 vs flash issue, don't understand the issues. I stand by that. That's my opinion.
And the flash hater comment, well, before I posted I read this forum quite a bit, to notice that there -some-, that said all kinds of obviously untrue things, because they hate flash.
It's not a dig at all. I'm sorry if you had all kinds of trolls come through here, but it isn't like the others don't throw jabs around quite freely as I found out within a few posts.
No one puts words in your mouth, we just read what you write and interpret accordingly. Funny majority of people have interpreted your words the same way. I think you miss the point, if YOU jab someone that person will jab back. Seems to me you need to take some time to know the people before climbing into the ring like 800lbs gorilla to found out you are lightweight,just my opinion.
It's ironic that all these "iPhone-killers" create their product pages in Flash when they can't even be viewed on their own phones. Their is nothing in on the EVO page that can't be presented with more effiiency using open standards.
That is pretty funny, altho admittedly, the phone is being released about the same time as Android 2.2, which will have Flash 10.1, so they'll be able to view it on that phone at least. Like I said, the EVO is my fallback phone. My LG Lotus is nice, but I'm ready for something new and there is nothing else Sprint has that is remotely interesting right now. C'mon Sprint, iPhone or EVO, which will you provide me?
No one puts words in your mouth, we just read what you write and interpret accordingly. Funny majority of people have interpreted your words the same way. I think you miss the point, if YOU jab someone that person will jab back. Seems to me you need to take some time to know the people before climbing into the ring like 800lbs gorilla to found out you are lightweight,just my opinion.
Read what I just posted. If saying I believe people who see it as an html5 vs flash don't understand the issues, and recognizing that there are 'flash haters' here, is a jab.... I can't help you.
My opinions were seen as contrary, and people didn't like it. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
Read what I just posted. If saying I believe people who see it as an html5 vs flash don't understand the issues, and recognizing that there are 'flash haters' here, is a jab.... I can't help you.
My opinions were seen as contrary, and people didn't like it. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
I know the storey behind flash well, I've developed in it since version 3. I am considered a very advanced actionscript 3 programmer, but I write javascript, PHP probably a lot more. I know the platform really well. I have my own reservations about it, though I think it's still a great platform. I have began refocusing a lo harder on alternate technologies (we all have, at least the smart ones anyway). I'm no adobe shill, but I know what is truth, and what is just ranting.
At the end of the day, I have no allegiance to anyone, except my bank who expects a mortgage cheque every month. Don't misread my comments that perhaps correct something in adobe's favour, as a clear indication of a "side". I know only too well, having switched to developing on a mac in 2003 just how lazy adobe has been, and the problems the mac player has. All the time I had to account for the poor performance and frame rate on the mac player only to see it zip like a bat out of hell on a pc. But it seems people have been a little shell shocked with trolls or whatever, so perhaps that will be more obvious with time.
I actually don't blame people if they hate flash. I just don't hate it myself.
http://applevsadobe.net
apple is having a hard time in this opinion poll
http://applevsadobe.net
Mmmm... I voted 4 times.. You?
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Android 2.2 has most definitely NOT been shown to run Flash 'just fine'. A couple of tightly controlled clips show it not crashing (after others that show it exploding like the 4th of July.) Hardly a consumer ready product. Pre beta at best.
And those clips do NOT show that it remains anything other than a battery suck.
Frankly, Adobe is the last entity I want representing my needs, being the #1 pusher on the internet of ads and porn.
Flash runs just fine on my HTC Desire with Android 2.1, device I bought from the retail store some weeks ago. Flash for mobile is THERE NOW and it works GREAT. Something must be wrong with your iPhone.
If you want to understand the story behind Flash and why we hate it, read the latest article on Adobe and Apple, it pretty much sums up the Adobe incompetent behaviour, which many of us have known about for a long time. Not sure you read all flash related articles/comments on this site, since you have only joined in May and posted 10 comments per day on average. To me more typing then reading. Anyway your free to do that and we are free to correct you
Amusingly it is actually a HTML5 vs Flash issue. Adobe has been playing games with HTML5 on the closed mailing lists which was what that previous ballyhoo was about.
Adobe doesn't fear HTML5 today, what it fears is that HTML5 can significantly reduce the need for flash in the near future (say 5 years). While Adobe has a significant head start in tool development, they don't have the same uneven playing field that they do with Flash and they aren't what we would call a particularly nimble company.
Add in the fact that Google and Apple ARE nimble companies with their own browsers and tool chains and you can understand the fear. Google could release a 80% solution (as they often do) for HTML5 content creation that takes a huge chunk of mind and market share from Adobe. Not in 2010 perhaps but 2012 or 2015? Sure.
The quake 2 GWT port to HTML5 Canvas and WebGL shows that the handwriting is on the wall for flash games. Timeline animation and tweening are two features that could be written into any HTML5/WebGL based game engine. One that if Google builds will be free...and supported by both Android and likely the iPhone. That's but one example of the overall threat of HTML5 to Adobe's content creation market share. TuneKit and other are more examples...and while Adobe could afford to acquire Macromedia it can't do so with Apple and Google...both of whom have their own strategic buying agendas.
In a war between Apple, Google and MS for the mobile computing space collateral damage to Adobe's product line is more than likely.
To state that folks misunderstand this threat to Adobe is disingenuous.
apple is having a hard time in this opinion poll
http://applevsadobe.net
And elsewhere:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=109349
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=4244
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...m_campaign=rss
Here is yet another security bug due to closed eco-system that is proprietary and cross platform. Die! Flash! Die!!
The supporters of Adobe are requested to downgrade Acrobat Reader and upgrade Flash to the latest beta.
Why didn't Adobe run an ad that informs everyone about the strengths of Flash (maybe because they couldn't).
What a bunch of losers!
Haha couldn't agree more! I visited a Flickr gallery the other day and it made my laptop heat up, fans spin up. It's poorly written software and they have not modernised their code because they've taken the easy road to maximise profits rather than develop and innovate.
I love how Steve has taken a stance in our interests and is winning the war. Well done to Steve and thank you!
The hungry to the max Flash gallery. Try clicking through the images quickly. My browser goes over 100% of one core usage (50% total on a Core 2 Duo).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjac...82180109/show/
Haha couldn't agree more! I visited a Flickr gallery the other day and it made my laptop heat up, fans spin up. It's poorly written software and they have not modernised their code because they've taken the easy road to maximise profits rather than develop and innovate.
I love how Steve has taken a stance in our interests and is winning the war. Well done to Steve and thank you!
The hungry to the max Flash gallery. Try clicking through the images quickly. My browser goes over 100% of one core usage (50% total on a Core 2 Duo).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjac...82180109/show/
Devils advocate, Adobe could argue that the website is badly coded - a crap flash application is going to be just as bad as a badly written Flash plugin.
Have you tried 10.1RC7 with Safari 5? the ability for Flash 10.1 to access Core Animation has dramatically cut the CPU utilisation and hopefully once Flash 10.1 Gala is released the CPU utilisation will drop even further.
FAIL.
on a machine without the newer plugin, core2 duo, I ran it, and my fans didn't come on at all.
FAIL.
Such BS! Even with nothing but the OS-related processes are running your fans are on.
Such BS! Even with nothing but the OS-related processes are running your fans are on.
Clearly the poster was talking about the fans ramping up because of much higher heat.
I didn't hear my fans ramp up at all. There. All better now?
Clearly the poster was talking about the fans ramping up because of much higher heat.
I didn't hear my fans ramp up at all. There. All better now?
With other posters I would have that thought that is what they meant, but you are so slanted any against tech that competes with Flash and have made such wild exaggerated claims about Flash being just as efficient, if not more so, as native webcode that it seems unlikely you would write that if it wasn't what you were trying to spin.
PS: Do you often refer to yourself in the third person?
With other posters I would have that thought that is what they meant, but you are so slanted any against tech that competes with Flash and have made such wild exaggerated claims about Flash being just as efficient, if not more so, as native webcode that it seems unlikely you would write that if it wasn't what you were trying to spin.
PS: Do you often refer to yourself in the third person?
you're full of crap. I have not been slanted whatsoever. I simply set things straight. Please show where. I write in a number of different languages, and think each one is very good at certain things. I'm not a fool shrieking nonsense about one technology, like a few I've seen here.
And, show where I refer to myself in the 3rd person. I believe in my last few posts, "I", and "my", is not 3rd person.
Do you always bullshit like this? Seems to come naturally.
You can show where the "wild exaggerated claims" are too while you're at it. But I won't hold my breath...
you're full of crap. I have not been slanted whatsoever. I simply set things straight. Please show where. I write in a number of different languages, and think each one is very good at certain things. I'm not a fool shrieking nonsense about one technology, like a few I've seen here.
And, show where I refer to myself in the 3rd person. I believe in my last few posts, "I", and "my", is not 3rd person.
Do you always bullshit like this? Seems to come naturally.
I commented on this:
...my fans didn't come on at all.
You followed up with this:
Clearly the poster...
it's great that you "write in a number of different languages", perhaps you should include English as one of them.