especially since canadians are often complaining that they get apple attention long after the US on most issues.
The pricing of the 8GB 3GS makes me think that the 32 GB iPhone 4 with be ridiculously expensive
Then again, maybe I'll be able to get some good coin for my 32 GB 3GS.
Sadly Canada inherited its cellular system from the US. It took the Winter Olympics to get our two CDMA carriers to go to GSM and actually create some competition. We still aren't offered lower rates if we supply our own phone (although the startup Wind Mobile is trying to change that) and unsubsidized phones are expensive, so I don't know if this will start are a trend or not (Google failed with the Nexus One, but Google is not Apple). I'm cautiously optimistic.
If things can change here in Canada, there is still hope for change in the US.
anyone know how At&t and Apple are dealing with rolling over your current iPhone rate plan. The Apple website claims you can roll-over your current wireless AND data plan if you have the 3G or 3Gs. Anyone know if this was part of the ording process?
I have the basic $49/mo 450 voice and $30/mo data 3G plan and don't want to loose that. Looking at At&t's current voice plan of $69 a month for the base 450 plan now is highway robbery!!! I'm totally not wanting to loose this!
also, does anyone know how trading in your old phone works? I'd like to recycle it like i did my old iPod Mini. Apple gave me a 10% discount on my new purchase for doing so. Anyone know if they will do this for the iPhone?
I recommend (as painful as it might be) ordering in person at the AT&T store to ensure you keep your rate plan.
I am on a family plan and the online process defaulted to the 70/30 rate and AT&T suggested coming in, since it kept defaulting each phone to the primary account, thus avoiding having to correct the plan after the fact.
anyone know how At&t and Apple are dealing with rolling over your current iPhone rate plan. The Apple website claims you can roll-over your current wireless AND data plan if you have the 3G or 3Gs. Anyone know if this was part of the ording process?
I have the basic $49/mo 450 voice and $30/mo data 3G plan and don't want to loose that. Looking at At&t's current voice plan of $69 a month for the base 450 plan now is highway robbery!!! I'm totally not wanting to loose this!
Yes, it seemed to be part of the ordering process. From what I could tell during my pre-ordering process, my current calling plan showed up during checkout as "unchanged" and it showed the $30 unlimited data plan. I don't recall seeing where I could have changed it in my ordering process however.
Ah the poor AT&T network. I can smell the server smoking already.
FIXED
I hope AT&T has enough activation servers to handle the load on the 24th. Otherwise, we're all going to be waiting all day at the Apple Store, just to take the phone home.
I recommend (as painful as it might be) ordering in person at the AT&T store to ensure you keep your rate plan.
I am on a family plan and the online process defaulted to the 70/30 rate and AT&T suggested coming in, since it kept defaulting each phone to the primary account, thus avoiding having to correct the plan after the fact.
I too have a family plan, but I was only upgrading my iPhone 3G (not my wife's iPhone). Once the message came back to confirm which phone I was ordering, it also showed my current data plan as the $119.99 plan which was incorrect. Figuring I can correct it later if it ended up being a problem, I proceeded to completed my order. However, just before checkout, it actually showed my data plan as "unchanged". Additionally, it was grayed out and I couldn't see how I could have changed it had I wanted to.
Lets just say, for the sake of simplicity that apple counted that period as 20 hours
(approx. 8 am est until midnight pst)
and that best buy sold 40,000, at&t sold 70,000, and radioshack sold 10,000
add that to apple's 600,000
for a total of 720,000
that is 10 iphones per second
10 SALES PER SECOND!!! That is one heck of a lot of demand
and at a minimum of $217 per transaction ($199 plus $18 upgrade fee)
$156,240,000.00
ONE HUNDRED & FIFTY-SIX MILLION, TWO HUNDRED & FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!
I wish I could suffer that kind of security problem.
It's probably more like $200 Million and that's just for the 600 grand in pre-orders. The $199 is what the carriers charge their customers not what Apple makes. Apple's profit margin on each phone is probably somewhere between $300-$400 per phone. If you use your figure of 720 Grand then it's closer to $250 Million... and then there's the International pre-orders.
That's fantastic. And although for now it is limited to 3GS, the description of unlocked phones just below also apply for iPhones 4. So since all three major cell phone provider now have iPhones, it seems Apple will let unlocked devices be sold at higher prices without contracts, giving us users a bit of power of the absurd 3-year contracts we now need... Not a bad news!
Actually some of the recent news is misleading.
Apple already sells the iPhone 3Gs unlocked in Canada and has for a while. I bought my 3Gs full-price at the Apple store, unlocked, last year. The new information is that the iPhone 4 will be the same (unlocked).
The good news is that anyone can do this (buy an unlocked iPhone at full price), and thus eventually escape the onerous and deceptive contracts that fido and Rogers force you to sign. The bad news is that since Apple doesn't really give a second thought to the Canadian market, and pretty much assumes we will be okay with whatever scraps they throw us, the iPhone 4 probably wont' be available to buy in this way for a couple of months.
The USA will likely be on iOS 4.0.1 at least, before you will see these for sale in Canada.
Doesn't this just show how easily led consumers are in this country? Has anyone even touched one of these things before pre-ordering it blindly? Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.
Apple already sells the iPhone 3Gs unlocked in Canada and has for a while. I bought my 3Gs full-price at the Apple store, unlocked, last year. The new information is that the iPhone 4 will be the same (unlocked).
The good news is that anyone can do this (buy an unlocked iPhone at full price), and thus eventually escape the onerous and deceptive contracts that fido and Rogers force you to sign. The bad news is that since Apple doesn't really give a second thought to the Canadian market, and pretty much assumes we will be okay with whatever scraps they throw us, the iPhone 4 probably wont' be available to buy in this way for a couple of months.
The USA will likely be on iOS 4.0.1 at least, before you will see these for sale in Canada.
Are you sure it didn't become locked when you activated it? If they were already sold unlocked, that's great, but they definitely didn't get any press and Apple didn't advertise it.
1) Who predicted "this" was coming? Knowing you'll have a surge of orders is not the same as knowing you'll 10x the amount as the previous year right out of the gate.
I'm surprised their (Apple's and At&t's) servers couldn't handle the traffic. One of the largest tech companies and one of the oldest and largest telecom companies, in the World, and they couldn't handle it? That surprises me. Sorry if that upsets/offends you.
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2) How did you not see the iPhone 4 coming when you bought your 3GS recently?
What I didn't see coming was the same prices for the new phone as the one I just bought. I assumed (incorrectly, obviously) that they would be out of my price-range. When I saw they weren't and then saw the release date fell within my exchange/return window I figured I had nothing to lose.
Doesn't this just show how easily led consumers are in this country? Has anyone even touched one of these things before pre-ordering it blindly? Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.
If it was their first phone or their first product you'd have a point, but people know what to expect from an Apple product at this point. We've seen a long demonstration and we have a history to fall back on so it's not exactly a blind leap of faith.
Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.
What bugs have arisen in the past?
I've a 3 gs and had a 3g and here were no show stopping bugs. Certainly nothing that software updates didn't fix.
Frankly, compared to Droid and BB, Apple's way of managing updates has been far superior. I think most people realize this and are comfortable with Apple.
What will be more revealing will be the adds AT&T receives as new accounts.
If everyone is just replacing their iPhone they already own, demand may come back down quickly after launch. The figures going forward after July will be the telling ones.
If it was their first phone or their first product you'd have a point, but people know what to expect from an Apple product at this point. We've seen a long demonstration and we have a history to fall back on so it's not exactly a blind leap of faith.
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
I've a 3 gs and had a 3g and here were no show stopping bugs. Certainly nothing that software updates didn't fix.
Frankly, compared to Droid and BB, Apple's way of managing updates has been far superior. I think most people realize this and are comfortable with Apple.
Have you had AT&T service? It is not as reliable as Verizon or even T-Mobile in my area (NYC). I've had AT&T for 4 years and I have come to expect drop calls...
1) Who predicted "this" was coming? Knowing you'll have a surge of orders is not the same as knowing you'll 10x the amount as the previous year right out of the gate.
2) How did you not see the iPhone 4 coming when you bought your 3GS recently?
I bought a 3gs a week and half ago without a contract purely because I lost/ had stolen my 3g in sydney with the express idea to return it once I got the newer model.
I was unable to preorder yesterday but I seem to have one reserved at my local apple store (thought it has the wrong price listed with the email; i'll just assume that can be fixed when i go pick it up and pay for it)
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
It's all about trust. Apple has never let me down. Ever.
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that is very cool!
how does it feel?
especially since canadians are often complaining that they get apple attention long after the US on most issues.
The pricing of the 8GB 3GS makes me think that the 32 GB iPhone 4 with be ridiculously expensive
Then again, maybe I'll be able to get some good coin for my 32 GB 3GS.
Sadly Canada inherited its cellular system from the US. It took the Winter Olympics to get our two CDMA carriers to go to GSM and actually create some competition. We still aren't offered lower rates if we supply our own phone (although the startup Wind Mobile is trying to change that) and unsubsidized phones are expensive, so I don't know if this will start are a trend or not (Google failed with the Nexus One, but Google is not Apple). I'm cautiously optimistic.
If things can change here in Canada, there is still hope for change in the US.
anyone know how At&t and Apple are dealing with rolling over your current iPhone rate plan. The Apple website claims you can roll-over your current wireless AND data plan if you have the 3G or 3Gs. Anyone know if this was part of the ording process?
I have the basic $49/mo 450 voice and $30/mo data 3G plan and don't want to loose that. Looking at At&t's current voice plan of $69 a month for the base 450 plan now is highway robbery!!! I'm totally not wanting to loose this!
also, does anyone know how trading in your old phone works? I'd like to recycle it like i did my old iPod Mini. Apple gave me a 10% discount on my new purchase for doing so. Anyone know if they will do this for the iPhone?
I recommend (as painful as it might be) ordering in person at the AT&T store to ensure you keep your rate plan.
I am on a family plan and the online process defaulted to the 70/30 rate and AT&T suggested coming in, since it kept defaulting each phone to the primary account, thus avoiding having to correct the plan after the fact.
anyone know how At&t and Apple are dealing with rolling over your current iPhone rate plan. The Apple website claims you can roll-over your current wireless AND data plan if you have the 3G or 3Gs. Anyone know if this was part of the ording process?
I have the basic $49/mo 450 voice and $30/mo data 3G plan and don't want to loose that. Looking at At&t's current voice plan of $69 a month for the base 450 plan now is highway robbery!!! I'm totally not wanting to loose this!
Yes, it seemed to be part of the ordering process. From what I could tell during my pre-ordering process, my current calling plan showed up during checkout as "unchanged" and it showed the $30 unlimited data plan. I don't recall seeing where I could have changed it in my ordering process however.
Ah the poor AT&T network. I can smell the server smoking already.
FIXED
I hope AT&T has enough activation servers to handle the load on the 24th. Otherwise, we're all going to be waiting all day at the Apple Store, just to take the phone home.
I recommend (as painful as it might be) ordering in person at the AT&T store to ensure you keep your rate plan.
I am on a family plan and the online process defaulted to the 70/30 rate and AT&T suggested coming in, since it kept defaulting each phone to the primary account, thus avoiding having to correct the plan after the fact.
I too have a family plan, but I was only upgrading my iPhone 3G (not my wife's iPhone). Once the message came back to confirm which phone I was ordering, it also showed my current data plan as the $119.99 plan which was incorrect. Figuring I can correct it later if it ended up being a problem, I proceeded to completed my order. However, just before checkout, it actually showed my data plan as "unchanged". Additionally, it was grayed out and I couldn't see how I could have changed it had I wanted to.
Lets just say, for the sake of simplicity that apple counted that period as 20 hours
(approx. 8 am est until midnight pst)
and that best buy sold 40,000, at&t sold 70,000, and radioshack sold 10,000
add that to apple's 600,000
for a total of 720,000
that is 10 iphones per second
10 SALES PER SECOND!!! That is one heck of a lot of demand
and at a minimum of $217 per transaction ($199 plus $18 upgrade fee)
$156,240,000.00
ONE HUNDRED & FIFTY-SIX MILLION, TWO HUNDRED & FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!
I wish I could suffer that kind of security problem.
It's probably more like $200 Million and that's just for the 600 grand in pre-orders. The $199 is what the carriers charge their customers not what Apple makes. Apple's profit margin on each phone is probably somewhere between $300-$400 per phone. If you use your figure of 720 Grand then it's closer to $250 Million... and then there's the International pre-orders.
That's fantastic. And although for now it is limited to 3GS, the description of unlocked phones just below also apply for iPhones 4. So since all three major cell phone provider now have iPhones, it seems Apple will let unlocked devices be sold at higher prices without contracts, giving us users a bit of power of the absurd 3-year contracts we now need... Not a bad news!
Actually some of the recent news is misleading.
Apple already sells the iPhone 3Gs unlocked in Canada and has for a while. I bought my 3Gs full-price at the Apple store, unlocked, last year. The new information is that the iPhone 4 will be the same (unlocked).
The good news is that anyone can do this (buy an unlocked iPhone at full price), and thus eventually escape the onerous and deceptive contracts that fido and Rogers force you to sign. The bad news is that since Apple doesn't really give a second thought to the Canadian market, and pretty much assumes we will be okay with whatever scraps they throw us, the iPhone 4 probably wont' be available to buy in this way for a couple of months.
The USA will likely be on iOS 4.0.1 at least, before you will see these for sale in Canada.
Actually some of the recent news is misleading.
Apple already sells the iPhone 3Gs unlocked in Canada and has for a while. I bought my 3Gs full-price at the Apple store, unlocked, last year. The new information is that the iPhone 4 will be the same (unlocked).
The good news is that anyone can do this (buy an unlocked iPhone at full price), and thus eventually escape the onerous and deceptive contracts that fido and Rogers force you to sign. The bad news is that since Apple doesn't really give a second thought to the Canadian market, and pretty much assumes we will be okay with whatever scraps they throw us, the iPhone 4 probably wont' be available to buy in this way for a couple of months.
The USA will likely be on iOS 4.0.1 at least, before you will see these for sale in Canada.
Are you sure it didn't become locked when you activated it? If they were already sold unlocked, that's great, but they definitely didn't get any press and Apple didn't advertise it.
1) Who predicted "this" was coming? Knowing you'll have a surge of orders is not the same as knowing you'll 10x the amount as the previous year right out of the gate.
I'm surprised their (Apple's and At&t's) servers couldn't handle the traffic. One of the largest tech companies and one of the oldest and largest telecom companies, in the World, and they couldn't handle it? That surprises me. Sorry if that upsets/offends you.
2) How did you not see the iPhone 4 coming when you bought your 3GS recently?
What I didn't see coming was the same prices for the new phone as the one I just bought. I assumed (incorrectly, obviously) that they would be out of my price-range. When I saw they weren't and then saw the release date fell within my exchange/return window I figured I had nothing to lose.
Doesn't this just show how easily led consumers are in this country? Has anyone even touched one of these things before pre-ordering it blindly? Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.
If it was their first phone or their first product you'd have a point, but people know what to expect from an Apple product at this point. We've seen a long demonstration and we have a history to fall back on so it's not exactly a blind leap of faith.
Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.
What bugs have arisen in the past?
I've a 3 gs and had a 3g and here were no show stopping bugs. Certainly nothing that software updates didn't fix.
Frankly, compared to Droid and BB, Apple's way of managing updates has been far superior. I think most people realize this and are comfortable with Apple.
Apple is indeed doomed
</sarcasm>
hey, I try my best to make up for those poor trolls who can't say anything because they're left speechless
If everyone is just replacing their iPhone they already own, demand may come back down quickly after launch. The figures going forward after July will be the telling ones.
Where are the iPhone manufactured? Foxconn?
Hope there is special attention paid to the workers well being when they hear this news!
If it was their first phone or their first product you'd have a point, but people know what to expect from an Apple product at this point. We've seen a long demonstration and we have a history to fall back on so it's not exactly a blind leap of faith.
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
What bugs have arisen in the past?
I've a 3 gs and had a 3g and here were no show stopping bugs. Certainly nothing that software updates didn't fix.
Frankly, compared to Droid and BB, Apple's way of managing updates has been far superior. I think most people realize this and are comfortable with Apple.
Have you had AT&T service? It is not as reliable as Verizon or even T-Mobile in my area (NYC). I've had AT&T for 4 years and I have come to expect drop calls...
1) Who predicted "this" was coming? Knowing you'll have a surge of orders is not the same as knowing you'll 10x the amount as the previous year right out of the gate.
2) How did you not see the iPhone 4 coming when you bought your 3GS recently?
I bought a 3gs a week and half ago without a contract purely because I lost/ had stolen my 3g in sydney with the express idea to return it once I got the newer model.
I was unable to preorder yesterday but I seem to have one reserved at my local apple store (thought it has the wrong price listed with the email; i'll just assume that can be fixed when i go pick it up and pay for it)
I wish I had $2200 to bandy about on a product I haven't touched yet. I guess this shows that most people are impulsive rather than rational when it comes to buying anything that Apple announces. It is a blind leap of faith in that you haven't touched this iPhone 4. I am not anti- Apple but I am anti-irrationality.
It's all about trust. Apple has never let me down. Ever.