<strong>well of course if there were no problems they could do that </strong><hr></blockquote>
LOL, that's what he was assuming in his post when you replied "only if there are no problems". I was just clarifying for you as you seemed to miss that his post concluded based on the possibility of no problems
I know someone in one of my classes here at APU who works for Warner Brothers, and he says they have been using prototype G5's for the least couple months, and that G5's are coming out in desktop form in the Spring! :eek: He says they are mad-fast, and he says he is going to try to buy one now, but I assured him he would never get one... He said he knew that, but it will be worth a try. He's going to get a Dual 800 decked out (the guy makes some money, and he's only a Junior!!!). ANyways, there's my 2 cents -JB
well well, this place is alive again. is it staying up now better than before? i missed the crap people used to toss back and forth around there. /. isn't nearly as entertaining.
It must be terribly entertaining for Dorsal M to read through this forum topic and see all the speculation and turns in specs.
Hehe ;-)
Thanks God rumors dont rely on YOU Members )))
PS: I still dont understand why this site is STILL down and I havent seen a glue for the readers why? I mean, I have been reading a "resuming publication" sicne around April or such ;-))
<strong>It must be terribly entertaining for Dorsal M to read through this forum topic and see all the speculation and turns in specs.
Hehe ;-)
Thanks God rumors dont rely on YOU Members )))
PS: I still dont understand why this site is STILL down and I havent seen a glue for the readers why? I mean, I have been reading a "resuming publication" sicne around April or such ;-))</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just wait. It'll be back soon. As you may have seen the AI staff has already changed the design and they're working hard and the rumors will be back.
Even if i prefer a G5 the outcome of a new G4 the 7460 based on a new mobo with DDR ram sounds logical.
BTW it will be a little bit strange if directly the mac evolution will go directly to the G5 without the step of the 7460.
If The Clock speed of the new chip go beyond 1 GHZ it will be a good new. A speed range between 1 ghz and 1,2 ghz with DDR ram will be a very big progress, the biggest since the introduction of the G3 (at the difference the G3 was in advance at this time ...).
Also, the G4's performance - especially the 7450's - is throttled back by the system bus, and by memory performance. Just like the 604's was in the 8600 and 9600. The 7460, fed with fast DDR RAM, would be a quantum leap better than the current models.
<strong>Also, the G4's performance - especially the 7450's - is throttled back by the system bus, and by memory performance. Just like the 604's was in the 8600 and 9600. The 7460, fed with fast DDR RAM, would be a quantum leap better than the current models.
AltiVec performance in particular is bus-limited.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, and it's easy to see the difference of Performance between SDRAM and DDRAM if you look at the benchmarks comparing ATHLON with and without DDRAM.
Does anyone think that G4's will find their way into consumer macs in 2002??? Or that Altivec will find it's way into G3's???
Some people have said that Apple should just scrap Altivec but I think that a strong SIMD unit is essential for any future looking chip. The tasks procs are facing will only deal with increasingly large blocks of data. Repetitive operations applied to these data sets describes all manner of encoding-decoding of AV data -- something we will all want our consumer macs to do in the next 2-3 years.
However, with IBM not including an SIMD unit in the Sahara at least untill the Sahara II (not untill late 2002 at the earliest) and Apple's reluctance to rely on just Moto, it looks like Apollo belongs only to the 'power'macs for at least another year.
Whadda ya all think? One nice thing about the G5 rumors is that a slower G4 chip would then be available in large enough quantities for the rest of the line-up. Would IBM ever fab Apollos for Apple & Mot to meet such a demand? One nice thing about altivec for every mac would be that everyone just codes for it and it becomes part of the PPC software writing routine. Apple could put their marketing spin on G4 consumer macs: "Supercomputers for everyone!" or some such tag (better than the crap I came up with).
I don't think it'll happen though. Too bad. We better at least see Ghz+ G3's, with a 4 stage pipeline and 512KB on-die 1:1 cache, they ought to be quite fast with or without altivec. Hey wouldn't it be funny if a 1Ghz Sahara was just as fast or slightly faster than a 900Mhz G4?
Anyone with some proc design knowledge care to comment? I was thinking that with a 4 stage pipeline Ghz+ G3's would compare quite favorably with current offerings from Intel and AMD.
I don't mean for this to sound all generic and mysterious, and full of sh**, but I do know there will be a new mac launched in January. I have absolutely no clue on the specifics, but I'm guessing the new iMac is far more likely than a G5.
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<strong>well of course if there were no problems they could do that
LOL, that's what he was assuming in his post when you replied "only if there are no problems". I was just clarifying for you as you seemed to miss that his post concluded based on the possibility of no problems
Hehe ;-)
Thanks God rumors dont rely on YOU Members
PS: I still dont understand why this site is STILL down and I havent seen a glue for the readers why? I mean, I have been reading a "resuming publication" sicne around April or such ;-))
<strong>It must be terribly entertaining for Dorsal M to read through this forum topic and see all the speculation and turns in specs.
Hehe ;-)
Thanks God rumors dont rely on YOU Members
PS: I still dont understand why this site is STILL down and I havent seen a glue for the readers why? I mean, I have been reading a "resuming publication" sicne around April or such ;-))</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just wait. It'll be back soon. As you may have seen the AI staff has already changed the design and they're working hard and the rumors will be back.
PS.
How is it that the mods/admins can confirm that this is the real dorsal? I thought that dorsal v1 always anonymized himself???
'esplain' this please.
BTW it will be a little bit strange if directly the mac evolution will go directly to the G5 without the step of the 7460.
If The Clock speed of the new chip go beyond 1 GHZ it will be a good new. A speed range between 1 ghz and 1,2 ghz with DDR ram will be a very big progress, the biggest since the introduction of the G3 (at the difference the G3 was in advance at this time ...).
AltiVec performance in particular is bus-limited.
<strong>Also, the G4's performance - especially the 7450's - is throttled back by the system bus, and by memory performance. Just like the 604's was in the 8600 and 9600. The 7460, fed with fast DDR RAM, would be a quantum leap better than the current models.
AltiVec performance in particular is bus-limited.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, and it's easy to see the difference of Performance between SDRAM and DDRAM if you look at the benchmarks comparing ATHLON with and without DDRAM.
Some people have said that Apple should just scrap Altivec but I think that a strong SIMD unit is essential for any future looking chip. The tasks procs are facing will only deal with increasingly large blocks of data. Repetitive operations applied to these data sets describes all manner of encoding-decoding of AV data -- something we will all want our consumer macs to do in the next 2-3 years.
However, with IBM not including an SIMD unit in the Sahara at least untill the Sahara II (not untill late 2002 at the earliest) and Apple's reluctance to rely on just Moto, it looks like Apollo belongs only to the 'power'macs for at least another year.
Whadda ya all think? One nice thing about the G5 rumors is that a slower G4 chip would then be available in large enough quantities for the rest of the line-up. Would IBM ever fab Apollos for Apple & Mot to meet such a demand? One nice thing about altivec for every mac would be that everyone just codes for it and it becomes part of the PPC software writing routine. Apple could put their marketing spin on G4 consumer macs: "Supercomputers for everyone!" or some such tag (better than the crap I came up with).
I don't think it'll happen though. Too bad. We better at least see Ghz+ G3's, with a 4 stage pipeline and 512KB on-die 1:1 cache, they ought to be quite fast with or without altivec. Hey wouldn't it be funny if a 1Ghz Sahara was just as fast or slightly faster than a 900Mhz G4?
Anyone with some proc design knowledge care to comment? I was thinking that with a 4 stage pipeline Ghz+ G3's would compare quite favorably with current offerings from Intel and AMD.
dorsal
If you "know" who the "real" dorsal is can you kill the fake account. It's just too confusing having dorsal m and dorsal posting to the same threads.
<strong>You don't know who you are dealing with here. Be careful about your assumptions.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It is hard to be careful about assumptions when there is no authority. Could the real dorsal please stand up?
Mandricard
AppleOutsider
other = not.
Dorsal M = real dorsal
please cancel the account of fake dorsal