What confounds me about the fandroids is that Apple is somehow doomed as Android becomes more widespread. That's as ridiculous as saying, well, the iPhone 3G was doomed because you had BBerry, Symbian, WindowsMobile, etc, and whatever OS all the major non-smart phones ran on.
I am unaware of anybody predicting Apple's demise. Especially due to Android.
Its wireless business made up for the landline decline.
AT&T added 2.1 million new wireless subscribers in the quarter,
which is down from 2.7 million a year ago. The growth slowed due primarily to a matured
market as most now have at least
one cellphone with a service plan. It's remarkable that 90%
of new subscribers came to AT&T thanks to iPhone 3G and its service lock.
But really do you need anything more extraordinary than the elephant in the room?
Apple has become the most profitable handset manufacturer on the planet - after just three and a bit years. Does that not, in any way, suggest that something remarkable has happened here?
The previous business model enjoyed by Nokia has collapsed because at the profitable end of the market, customers suddenly demanded a better product, and were prepared to abandon their existing carriers to get it.
Nokia has had four years to formulate a response to this sea change in the industry. To this most disruptive of disruptive products. And their response is....
Sit on your hands for four years, then hire a foreigner.
You say Nokia phones have been failing where is this because it sure is not in Asia where I live as Nokia seems to be number 1 here. Motorola is a complete flop here with no distribution at all.
You say Nokia phones have been failing where is this because it sure is not in Asia where I live as Nokia seems to be number 1 here. Motorola is a complete flop here with no distribution at all.
The previous business model enjoyed by Nokia has collapsed because at the profitable end of the market, customers suddenly demanded a better product, and were prepared to abandon their existing carriers to get it.
Nokia has had four years to formulate a response to this sea change in the industry. To this most disruptive of disruptive products. And their response is....
Sit on your hands for four years, then hire a foreigner.
C.
Most people might disagree with you:
Nokia Named World’s Most Sustainable Tech Company Twice
SAM is an investment boutique focused exclusively on Sustainability Investing
Quote:
Based on global sustainability trends, SAM has identified Sustainability Themes such as Water, Energy, Resource Efficiency, Climate Change and Healthy Living. These investment themes are translated into thematic-oriented portfolios which often contain a high portion of small and midsized companies with attractive valuations. The focus lies on companies that develop and market innovative products and services accompanying the emergence of new sectors that are expected to experience above-average growth. As such, sustainability theme investing offers investors attractive return potential.
It's about investing for tree huggers.
Perhaps the reality that investors should look at is the fact that Nokia has lost a third of its value in the last 12 months.
It's obvious from the past month, Newtron has been getting his rocks off by purposefully going against whatever everyone else says, methodically, post-by-post. When his "points" are directly countered, he tries to shift it not-so-subtly to a kind of side angle.
It doesn't matter what you say, Newtron just can't resist trying to counter it.
This is getting tiresome.
Newtron, for example, what the hell has Nokia's "sustainability" (in anything) got to do with anything?
Newtron, for example, what the hell does Nokia's "sustainability"(in anything) got to do with anything?
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The point was made that Nokia is going to hell in a handbasket.
I countered that far from that being the truth, Nokia has instead been deemed to be the most sustainable (in a broader sense of the word than some folks would like to admit) company in the entire tech sector by Dow Jones.
The point was made that Nokia is going to hell in a handbasket.
No - but it's profit margin is now at 2% and likely to become negative next year. That is a charlie-foxtrot by most people's reckoning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newtron
I countered that far from that being the truth, Nokia has instead been deemed to be the most sustainable (in a broader sense of the word than some folks would like to admit) company in the entire tech sector by Dow Jones.
Please try to keep up.
You mis-interpreted that press release. It is about sustainable (ie green) investing.
"The annual review of the DJSI family is based on a
thorough analysis of corporate economic, environmental and social performance, assessing
issues such as corporate governance, risk management, branding, climate change mitigation,
supply chain standards and labor practices."
One can only hope that the exceptional quality-of-life indicators enjoyed by Nokia's plethora of middle-managers is a source of comfort for them in the period following the downsizing.
What confounds me about the fandroids is that Apple is somehow doomed as Android becomes more widespread. That's as ridiculous as saying, well, the iPhone 3G was doomed because you had BBerry, Symbian, WindowsMobile, etc, and whatever OS all the major non-smart phones ran on.
Or the mac is somehow doomed at 8% or whatever it is now. iOS is well established and not much will dethrone its mindshare in the near future.
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People tended to stick to the same network when they upgraded their phones.
C.
Then show us the stats. It is called churn rate. According to your statements, churn rate should have increased with the introduction of the iPhone.
Got any facts?
The extent to which consumers switched networks was.
C.
Show us the stats.
What confounds me about the fandroids is that Apple is somehow doomed as Android becomes more widespread. That's as ridiculous as saying, well, the iPhone 3G was doomed because you had BBerry, Symbian, WindowsMobile, etc, and whatever OS all the major non-smart phones ran on.
I am unaware of anybody predicting Apple's demise. Especially due to Android.
Get real.
Show us the stats.
Google them for yourself.
Here's a start.
http://gigaom.com/2009/04/22/why-att-is-desperately-addicted-to-the-iphone/
C.
Google them for yourself.
Here's a start.
http://gigaom.com/2009/04/22/why-att-is-desperately-addicted-to-the-iphone/
C.
Your cite contains no support for your contention. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary support, and you are advancing a whopper.
Your cite contains no support for your contention. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary support, and you are advancing a whopper.
This information isn't hard to find. Can you not bring yourself to search for it?
How about this one?
http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-...from-recession
Its wireless business made up for the landline decline.
AT&T added 2.1 million new wireless subscribers in the quarter,
which is down from 2.7 million a year ago. The growth slowed due primarily to a matured
market as most now have at least
one cellphone with a service plan. It's remarkable that 90%
of new subscribers came to AT&T thanks to iPhone 3G and its service lock.
But really do you need anything more extraordinary than the elephant in the room?
Apple has become the most profitable handset manufacturer on the planet - after just three and a bit years. Does that not, in any way, suggest that something remarkable has happened here?
The previous business model enjoyed by Nokia has collapsed because at the profitable end of the market, customers suddenly demanded a better product, and were prepared to abandon their existing carriers to get it.
Nokia has had four years to formulate a response to this sea change in the industry. To this most disruptive of disruptive products. And their response is....
Sit on your hands for four years, then hire a foreigner.
C.
You say Nokia phones have been failing where is this because it sure is not in Asia where I live as Nokia seems to be number 1 here. Motorola is a complete flop here with no distribution at all.
Nokia's sales have been increasing.
It's the profits that are falling.
C.
The previous business model enjoyed by Nokia has collapsed because at the profitable end of the market, customers suddenly demanded a better product, and were prepared to abandon their existing carriers to get it.
Nokia has had four years to formulate a response to this sea change in the industry. To this most disruptive of disruptive products. And their response is....
Sit on your hands for four years, then hire a foreigner.
C.
Most people might disagree with you:
Nokia Named World’s Most Sustainable Tech Company Twice
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/artic...ompany%20Twice
The annual review of the DJSI family is based on a
thorough analysis of corporate economic, environmental and social performance, assessing
issues such as corporate governance, risk management, branding, climate change mitigation,
supply chain standards and labor practices. It accounts for general as well as industry specific
sustainability criteria for each of the 57 sectors defined according to the Industry Classification
Benchmark (ICB).
In addition, SAM also identified the top company for each of the 19 Supersectors that the 57
sectors roll up to. The new 2010/2011 Supersector leaders are Air France-KLM (Travel &
Leisure), AkzoNobel (Chemicals), ANZ Banking Group (Banks), BMW (Automobiles & Parts),
EDP Energias de Portugal (Utilities), GPT Group (Real Estate), Investimentos Itaú (Financial
Services), Lotte Shopping (Retail), Nokia (Technology), Pearson (Media), Philips Electronics
(Personal & Household Goods), Roche (Health Care), Sasol (Oil & Gas), Siam Cement
(Construction & Materials), Swiss Re (Insurance), Telefónica (Telecommunications), TNT
(Industrial Goods & Services), Unilever (Food & Beverage) and Xstrata (Basic Resources).
http://www.sustainability-index.com/...9_Review10.pdf
Maybe the folks at Dow Jones know more than you do?
Most people might disagree with you:
Nokia Named World?s Most Sustainable Tech Company Twice
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/artic...ompany%20Twice
Grin.
Which facts would they be disagreeing with?
Did you read your link? It's about "green-type-sustainability" - not Nokia's ability to sustain itself during a dramatic market upheaval.
C.
Grin.
Which facts would they be disagreeing with?
Did you read your link? It's about "green-type-sustainability" - not Nokia's ability to sustain itself during a dramatic market upheaval.
C.
Did you read my post?
"The annual review of the DJSI family is based on a
thorough analysis of corporate economic, environmental and social performance, assessing
issues such as corporate governance, risk management, branding, climate change mitigation,
supply chain standards and labor practices."
The first criteria is economic performance. Bankrupt companies, obviously, are not sustainable. Neither are shaky companies.
But Nokia has been awarded the top honors by Dow Jones as the company most likely to sustain itself.
Dow Jones analyzes corporate economic performance. Dow Jones assesses corporate governance, risk management and branding.
Get in touch with reality.
Get in touch with reality.
http://www.sustainability-index.com/...9_Review10.pdf
SAM is an investment boutique focused exclusively on Sustainability Investing
Based on global sustainability trends, SAM has identified Sustainability Themes such as Water, Energy, Resource Efficiency, Climate Change and Healthy Living. These investment themes are translated into thematic-oriented portfolios which often contain a high portion of small and midsized companies with attractive valuations. The focus lies on companies that develop and market innovative products and services accompanying the emergence of new sectors that are expected to experience above-average growth. As such, sustainability theme investing offers investors attractive return potential.
It's about investing for tree huggers.
Perhaps the reality that investors should look at is the fact that Nokia has lost a third of its value in the last 12 months.
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?chdn...E:NOK&&fct=big
But hey, Nokia shares are so sustainable, buying them is practically like hugging a polar bear.
(link to horrendous polar-bear-related-injuries deleted)
C.
Perhaps the reality that investors should look at is the fact that Nokia has lost a third of its value in the last 12 months.
C.
Perhaps you are under the impression that you have better information than Dow Jones.
It doesn't matter what you say, Newtron just can't resist trying to counter it.
This is getting tiresome.
Newtron, for example, what the hell has Nokia's "sustainability" (in anything) got to do with anything?
Newtron, for example, what the hell does Nokia's "sustainability"(in anything) got to do with anything?
.
The point was made that Nokia is going to hell in a handbasket.
I countered that far from that being the truth, Nokia has instead been deemed to be the most sustainable (in a broader sense of the word than some folks would like to admit) company in the entire tech sector by Dow Jones.
Please try to keep up.
Perhaps you are under the impression that you have better information than Dow Jones.
Yeah Right.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...16-706366.html
C.
The point was made that Nokia is going to hell in a handbasket.
No - but it's profit margin is now at 2% and likely to become negative next year. That is a charlie-foxtrot by most people's reckoning.
I countered that far from that being the truth, Nokia has instead been deemed to be the most sustainable (in a broader sense of the word than some folks would like to admit) company in the entire tech sector by Dow Jones.
Please try to keep up.
You mis-interpreted that press release. It is about sustainable (ie green) investing.
http://www.nampblog.com/2009/09/noki...ndly-tech.html
C.
You mis-interpreted that press release.
C.
From the press release:
"The annual review of the DJSI family is based on a
thorough analysis of corporate economic, environmental and social performance, assessing
issues such as corporate governance, risk management, branding, climate change mitigation,
supply chain standards and labor practices."
From the press release:
"The annual review of the DJSI family is based on a
thorough analysis of corporate economic, environmental and social performance, assessing
issues such as corporate governance, risk management, branding, climate change mitigation,
supply chain standards and labor practices."
One can only hope that the exceptional quality-of-life indicators enjoyed by Nokia's plethora of middle-managers is a source of comfort for them in the period following the downsizing.
C.
What confounds me about the fandroids is that Apple is somehow doomed as Android becomes more widespread. That's as ridiculous as saying, well, the iPhone 3G was doomed because you had BBerry, Symbian, WindowsMobile, etc, and whatever OS all the major non-smart phones ran on.
Or the mac is somehow doomed at 8% or whatever it is now. iOS is well established and not much will dethrone its mindshare in the near future.