I think it's very different to have complete control knowing that if you have v4.3.0 then you can work out what needs applied to go to 4.3.1 etc. This is very different from Windows (or Mac OS X) where you can have different file installed by patches, application upgrades, changes, losing files, duplicate DLLs, service packs etc. or different versions of Windows.
If you can work out the delta between 4.3.0 and 4.3.1 it will provide you the differences you need to update. What it should mean is that you will have a binary compatible version of 4.3.1 and there will be no difference to whether you started with it, or upgraded, or which version you upgraded from.
The extra control that Apple have over the operating system of the phone means they can do this.
No, that's not what I'm telling you. I'm telling you Apple created a new touchscreen UI for phones and other devices virtually from scratch and Google copied all of it. Inertial scrolling, swipe, pinch to zoom, the way touch-based UI widgets work, the on-screen keyboard, copy and paste, the way the browser works, many of the basic design elements of apps, and so on. Sure, there's a few things that are different. Some of them come from the fact that Android was originally going after the Blackberry and had a menu and icon based UI more suited to a track ball. Some stuff is original. But the bulk of it, as it has developed over the last 3 years, was directly copied from the iPhone.
If you had said influenced by the iPhone, I'd agree with much of what you wrote. Copied?
There's a lot of influences going around the mobile community. Outright copying not so much.
I'm asking about features to help me decide if I should switch to Android.
Then you will really have something to complain about with being discovered in the Market Place, Google tracking your phone position every minute, security concerns of using small developers and not making any money in the Android Market.
If you had said influenced by the iPhone, I'd agree with much of what you wrote. Copied?
There's a lot of influences going around the mobile community. Outright copying not so much.
An approach to a bit of business is an influence. The iPhone inalterably changed the smartphone market, and iOS is inalterably changing the PC market. That's not influence, that's historic.
Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
I love iMessage, why don't they merge it with FaceTime to have something like Skype?
Or why not just support Skype rather than limiting it to only work with other iPhones.
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Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
I'm guessing he doesn't, but is just taking the opportunity to post the equivelent of all the other posts that claim Microsoft copied Apple ignoring the fact they couldn't develope a feature that quick. Or just look at the topics from a few days ago claiming MS were copying Apple by announcing the Xbox updates on the same day as Apples conference, despite the fact their different products and the alternative would have to be moving E3 to a different week!
He used iMovie. Therefore the iPad contributed to the project.
The tools used are secondary to the content. It's a nice story, but it'd a load of balls from an educational standpoint. So everyone should use an iPad to "enhance" their projects?
Any reason why Apple is holding off until Fall for this iOS-5 release.
Er, because it's not done? If you have ever been involved with any kind of software development project you would probably be a little more understanding.
It's not like they are intentionally holding it back or anything - indeed, I'm sure the only reason they are tipping their hands is to give developers time to get ready for the new features. Imagine that - announcing the new version with classes on how to take advantage of them at a - gasp - developers conference!
I just want an app that will notify me when all the bitching, whining, complaining and trolling is close to an end at Apple Insider after an event like WWDC.
What's the estimated time to the heat death of the universe? I would look for it around then
Apple did not invent multi touch, they popularized it.
lol - I love the subtle marginalization of "they popularized it"
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They have a patent for it, but where not the first to dabble in the tech.
I'm glad you admit they weren't the first to play with mulit-touch concepts. The important distinction, along with most things Apple, is they were the first to bring the technology in a readily accessible and affordable way to the masses.
It's something they seem to have a knack for the and the rest of the industry tends to have their collective thumbs up their bungs blinking in disbelief and denial. It's not about geek oriented checklists, developers or the tech press - it's about the users! The average joe users too....
I'm sure you meant it as a trivialization and a slant but really it's the highest compliment. To make something popular it has to be accessible. That's what Apple excels at. Their market cap is no accident despite the fervent denials by the blind haters in forums like this one
If it was so bloody easy or just marketing, why is Apple the only company that seems to "get it" then?
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But what about:
Let the backtracking begin.
I think it's very different to have complete control knowing that if you have v4.3.0 then you can work out what needs applied to go to 4.3.1 etc. This is very different from Windows (or Mac OS X) where you can have different file installed by patches, application upgrades, changes, losing files, duplicate DLLs, service packs etc. or different versions of Windows.
If you can work out the delta between 4.3.0 and 4.3.1 it will provide you the differences you need to update. What it should mean is that you will have a binary compatible version of 4.3.1 and there will be no difference to whether you started with it, or upgraded, or which version you upgraded from.
The extra control that Apple have over the operating system of the phone means they can do this.
No, that's not what I'm telling you. I'm telling you Apple created a new touchscreen UI for phones and other devices virtually from scratch and Google copied all of it. Inertial scrolling, swipe, pinch to zoom, the way touch-based UI widgets work, the on-screen keyboard, copy and paste, the way the browser works, many of the basic design elements of apps, and so on. Sure, there's a few things that are different. Some of them come from the fact that Android was originally going after the Blackberry and had a menu and icon based UI more suited to a track ball. Some stuff is original. But the bulk of it, as it has developed over the last 3 years, was directly copied from the iPhone.
If you had said influenced by the iPhone, I'd agree with much of what you wrote. Copied?
There's a lot of influences going around the mobile community. Outright copying not so much.
Looks to me like a piece of crap.
I'm asking about features to help me decide if I should switch to Android.
Then you will really have something to complain about with being discovered in the Market Place, Google tracking your phone position every minute, security concerns of using small developers and not making any money in the Android Market.
Speak for yourself. Lack of Facebook integration for photos is annoying, because I have to use FB's crappy app.
You can also upload photos by email.
If you had said influenced by the iPhone, I'd agree with much of what you wrote. Copied?
There's a lot of influences going around the mobile community. Outright copying not so much.
An approach to a bit of business is an influence. The iPhone inalterably changed the smartphone market, and iOS is inalterably changing the PC market. That's not influence, that's historic.
Cupertino, start your photocopiers!
Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
Yes, and no -- the iPad is now officially a post-pc device.
BTW, my 11-year-old grandson (with direction from his 15-year-old sister) did his final term project entirely on an iPad, using iMovie.
He got his grade today... A+... With a comment on his final report card -- "Best EVER project".
That grade, along with the interest, skills and confidence gained, repaid the investment in the iPad -- many times over...
Up until this year, he had always been a poor to average student.
...one happy, grampy!
So his sister did it for him and you are giving the kudos to the ipad? Did you give it to the book and pencil too?
So his sister did it for him and you are giving the kudos to the ipad? Did you give it to the book and pencil too?
He used iMovie. Therefore the iPad contributed to the project.
Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
See: Samsung vs Apple
I love iMessage, why don't they merge it with FaceTime to have something like Skype?
Or why not just support Skype rather than limiting it to only work with other iPhones.
Seriously? You think Apple saw Microsoft present this feature for Windows 8 just recently, then really quickly copied it? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?
I'm guessing he doesn't, but is just taking the opportunity to post the equivelent of all the other posts that claim Microsoft copied Apple ignoring the fact they couldn't develope a feature that quick. Or just look at the topics from a few days ago claiming MS were copying Apple by announcing the Xbox updates on the same day as Apples conference, despite the fact their different products and the alternative would have to be moving E3 to a different week!
He used iMovie. Therefore the iPad contributed to the project.
The tools used are secondary to the content. It's a nice story, but it'd a load of balls from an educational standpoint. So everyone should use an iPad to "enhance" their projects?
Yes, everyone who can afford one. Load of shite.
So when can we expect an FM radio?
Probably never?
I find it amusing- Year of the copycats
I find it amusing it's only a problem when Apple is accused of doing it.
Just saying.
Indeed
dont forget the volume button as shutter.. what a fiasco.
I was waiting for this - so when Apple does listen and adapt to their customers it's a "fiasco".
Brilliant!
Any reason why Apple is holding off until Fall for this iOS-5 release.
Er, because it's not done? If you have ever been involved with any kind of software development project you would probably be a little more understanding.
It's not like they are intentionally holding it back or anything - indeed, I'm sure the only reason they are tipping their hands is to give developers time to get ready for the new features. Imagine that - announcing the new version with classes on how to take advantage of them at a - gasp - developers conference!
Oh the humanity!
I just want an app that will notify me when all the bitching, whining, complaining and trolling is close to an end at Apple Insider after an event like WWDC.
What's the estimated time to the heat death of the universe? I would look for it around then
WTF! Why are there still no mailbox specific signatures in iOS 5?
Or mailbox rules.
Apple did not invent multi touch, they popularized it.
lol - I love the subtle marginalization of "they popularized it"
They have a patent for it, but where not the first to dabble in the tech.
I'm glad you admit they weren't the first to play with mulit-touch concepts. The important distinction, along with most things Apple, is they were the first to bring the technology in a readily accessible and affordable way to the masses.
It's something they seem to have a knack for the and the rest of the industry tends to have their collective thumbs up their bungs blinking in disbelief and denial. It's not about geek oriented checklists, developers or the tech press - it's about the users! The average joe users too....
I'm sure you meant it as a trivialization and a slant but really it's the highest compliment. To make something popular it has to be accessible. That's what Apple excels at. Their market cap is no accident despite the fervent denials by the blind haters in forums like this one
If it was so bloody easy or just marketing, why is Apple the only company that seems to "get it" then?