DocNo42, you seem to be a bit on the grumpy side this morning.
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now I will be hard to wait for iOS 5 to be released later this year...
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now I will be hard to wait for iOS 5 to be released later this year...
Same here. Pretty excited about all the new goodies announced at WWDC, come to an Apple site to talk about it, and have to wade through about a 30% crap rate. Makes a man cranky.
I've adjusted my ignore list accordingly (never ending battle, that) but I still think it's a shame. Or tiresome. Or a tiresome shame. Oh well.
lol - Android users have supplanted the Linux weenies. I didn't think that was going to be possible
Didn'tcha know...Android is Free? just like Linux and of course is RUNNING Linux under the hood (under all that allegedly stolen Java tech...which is ALSO Free?).
Didn'tcha know...Android is Free? just like Linux and of course is RUNNING Linux under the hood (under all that allegedly stolen Java tech...which is ALSO Free?).
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now I will be hard to wait for iOS 5 to be released later this year...
Complete aside, please don't quintuple post. Just edit your existing one if no one has posted yet.
And I think that's why there is so much hostility from Apple haters - Apple isn't "playing ball" and is offering easy to use technology to those who aren't worthy.
It's what soured me on Linux after being initially enthusiastic - the absolute snobbery and elitism was just so over the top. That's why when iOS bested Linux for web browsing I had a good chuckle...
No, we hate dependency. We could care less about a company increasing user accessibility, that would be like arguing that you should go learn to sodder wires if you want to fix your fan's electrical circuit instead of hiring the electric repair man.
I love Google, but I give them almost nothing because no company can be trusted with such information on an honesty basis, a phone # that's all they have.
What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one. It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter. What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided. The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them. They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS. If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
The last comment from Jexus is typical nonsense. The malware attack was on the mac, an OS where you can live in the command line if you want. The difficulty scales from unix command line to easy, and that's what annoys the not very brights who think that visiting forums makes them sone kind of genius. It doesn't.
The fact that a unix box can be operated by mom is what pisses them off.
The last comment from Jexus is typical nonsense. The malware attack was on the mac, an OS where you can live in the command line if you want. The difficulty scales from unix command line to easy, and that's what annoys the not very brights who think that visiting forums makes them sone kind of genius. It doesn't.
The fact that a unix box can be operated by mom is what pisses them off.
Most if not ALL OS's allow one to access the command line in some way. That is no excuse for 60-120,000 possible infections before being quelled.
How many people do you know that buy a mac specifically for the command line? Because I don't know any.
That article speaks for itself, Google doesn't make money off of selling android, they make money off ads which are not exclusive to android. Oracle won't get that call.
What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one. It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter. What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
It doesn't matter if the company is responsive to the user's needs.
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If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided. The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them.
They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS. If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
WTF? Googling for a solution is not solving the problem themselves? Do you expect everyone to decompile the trojan and hunt down any little pieces that could be hiding in the system?
Linux is nothing but a googlefest since even the simplest incarnation is an arcane mess.
That article speaks for itself, Google doesn't make money off of selling android, they make money off ads which are not exclusive to android. Oracle won't get that call.
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not a lawyer not do I pretend to be a legal knowitall on the internet.
Most if not ALL OS's allow one to access the command line in some way. That is no excuse for 60-120,000 possible infections before being quelled.
How many people do you know that buy a mac specifically for the command line? Because I don't know any.
WTF does the command line have to do with anything?
60-120K infections among an installed base of 58 million users? And the 60-120K number is completely pulled out of thin air by Ed Bott (zdnet) based on a source he can't name for guesstimates in percentage and call volume.
Ed Bott is an apple hater so all of what he wrote needs to be taken with a ton of salt.
WTF does the command line have to do with anything?
60-120K infections among an installed base of 58 million users? And the 60-120K number is completely pulled out of thin air by Ed Bott (zdnet) based on a source he can't name for guesstimates in percentage and call volume.
Ed Bott is an apple hater so all of what he wrote needs to be taken with a ton of salt.
Welcome to forums. We all have a bias, agenda, or some reason why everything we say should be taken with a grain of salt haha
your last remark made you a classic <<< a hole >>>>
play nice
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Right, and the guy who is talking trash otherwise doesnt make anything. You are the same, you picked my last sentence and didnt read the validity of the rest. Typical.
"ugly yowl of the Android army as they belittle the site management for sucking Apple's dick for even mentioning the name and bellowing about the "fanboys" and what they'd probably be saying or thinking, if they were actually in evidence."
I got pissed, cause of what I read. Comprende? Before you tell me to play nice, make sure you see what others have said before, and ask them to play nice as well. Double standards, eh?
F' this shit. Ill just read articles like I usually do and get outta here. You guys can battle it out, not really worth discussing anything with someone who cant see anything except what they want to. Proves one thing though, Apple fanatics are just as nasty, maybe even more.
One thing I will definitely PM to both you and the others who responded: When the next major Android release is out, Ill show you how the Apple fanbois come out in DROVES on other websites I happen to read bellowing the same crapola attitude that i hate about Android folks.
And yes, by the way, I will say one more time. READ what I wrote. I like Apple, and own 2 MBPs at home. My wife carries an iphone. I like to read about everything, AND I said Apple always has interesting announcements. Nothing before the iphone and the ipad, agreed, revolutionary products. That does NOT change the facts of what happened in Ios5. My point is, dont preach from the choir when you do the same thing yourself, and that was to Apple, and to the gazillion defenders of Apple. And yes, Google copied Apple, and so did the rest of the world. That happens in any industry. So for Apple to stand on the high chair and sue companies,a s an example, for copying the lock mechanism(HTC), this is a pretty low point. And everyone copies, and go read the rest, I am tired of repetetion. Who it got copied from, I dont give a rats ass. The point is, they copied, and not one. but multiple features. It does not mean its a POS, still the most slick OS out there for everyone, just not for me. Understand now?
God, I feel like I am talking to f'ing selfish teenagers. Ugh.
I give up. My comments were all based on features, and I specifically said that EVERYONE copies. I had an iphone until 3 weeks back, which I loved as well. Im a gadget and tech head, have all sorts in my home, while I type this on a mac. I read multiple sites not to find and comment. In fact, I rarely comment. But you obviously dont read as many sites as I do. Next time I see an Android release(Ice Cream is coming out in a few months) and Apple fanboys on there, I will be sure to PM you and make you shut your mouth up. Go read the Samsung S2 releases on some android sites, and you will see what I am talking about. I read apple and Android and WM and WebOS articles on different sites(use a news aggregator, heard of it?). So, before you go on and start talking bullshit out of your ignoramus rear, read my arguments, for ALL sides, not just Android or Apple. I ALSO said that some users, like yourself, agree that notifications needed to be improved. I ALSO said that there ARE Apple fanbois who made comments about Android's notifications being good, but at the same time, I read a bunch of comments which said how Apple's notifications will eventually beat Android's and make it look like crap. So, dont pick and choose my comments. Learn how to read the whole thing, not between the lines to suit your view.
If you dont read enough, thats not my fault. Calling me asshole without doing enough research says a lot. Before calling someone else names, look at your own post. Read it, and re-read it. You are no different than the Android/Apple trolls.
You can now go suck Steve's since you dont believe a word I am saying.
Over, and out.
Wow, somebody's wound up tight over ... opinions.
It's the Internet... not worth getting all huffy about!
For the same reason Google Voice doesn't get native support.
Now that Microsoft owns Skype and the underlying technology, that's the last thing Apple should support natively in iOS 5.
If you need Skype (or GV), get the apps for it.
Sometimes it's not as much about not having control over the user experience as it is about who would control it...
The distinction is irrelevant to Apple. As for Microsoft owning Skype, it doesn't change anything. Apple frequently incorporates technology from other companies into its products. Support for Microsoft Exchange, for example, is built-in to iOS.
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now I will be hard to wait for iOS 5 to be released later this year...
To be fair, the opposite is also true -- there are people who mock anything that isn't made by apple, and will only own an apple product simply because it came from apple. While this is to be expected at AI, they exist on many other tech sites that I read and thread crap there as well.
Fanboy-ism exists everywhere and it isn't something apple is immune to either.
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DocNo42, you seem to be a bit on the grumpy side this morning.
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now
Same here. Pretty excited about all the new goodies announced at WWDC, come to an Apple site to talk about it, and have to wade through about a 30% crap rate. Makes a man cranky.
I've adjusted my ignore list accordingly (never ending battle, that) but I still think it's a shame. Or tiresome. Or a tiresome shame. Oh well.
lol - Android users have supplanted the Linux weenies. I didn't think that was going to be possible
Didn'tcha know...Android is Free? just like Linux and of course is RUNNING Linux under the hood (under all that allegedly stolen Java tech...which is ALSO Free?).
The annoying Fandroids are largely Linux weenies.
Didn'tcha know...Android is Free? just like Linux and of course is RUNNING Linux under the hood (under all that allegedly stolen Java tech...which is ALSO Free?).
The annoying Fandroids are largely Linux weenies.
Welcome to a month ago....
http://zoknowsgaming.com/2011/05/05/...ge-throws-129/
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now
Complete aside, please don't quintuple post. Just edit your existing one if no one has posted yet.
And I think that's why there is so much hostility from Apple haters - Apple isn't "playing ball" and is offering easy to use technology to those who aren't worthy.
It's what soured me on Linux after being initially enthusiastic - the absolute snobbery and elitism was just so over the top. That's why when iOS bested Linux for web browsing I had a good chuckle...
No, we hate dependency. We could care less about a company increasing user accessibility, that would be like arguing that you should go learn to sodder wires if you want to fix your fan's electrical circuit instead of hiring the electric repair man.
I love Google, but I give them almost nothing because no company can be trusted with such information on an honesty basis, a phone # that's all they have.
What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one. It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter. What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided. The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them. They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS. If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
Welcome to a month ago....
http://zoknowsgaming.com/2011/05/05/...ge-throws-129/
Welcome to a couple weeks ago:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...cision-on.html
And no, you don't get to whine that Florian is biased if you reference an article that is sourced from Groklaw.
This article is interesting too:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...es-mobile.html
http://gizmodo.com/5809621/how-to-up...urce=pulsenews
The fact that a unix box can be operated by mom is what pisses them off.
The last comment from Jexus is typical nonsense. The malware attack was on the mac, an OS where you can live in the command line if you want. The difficulty scales from unix command line to easy, and that's what annoys the not very brights who think that visiting forums makes them sone kind of genius. It doesn't.
The fact that a unix box can be operated by mom is what pisses them off.
Most if not ALL OS's allow one to access the command line in some way. That is no excuse for 60-120,000 possible infections before being quelled.
How many people do you know that buy a mac specifically for the command line? Because I don't know any.
This article is interesting too:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...es-mobile.html
That article speaks for itself, Google doesn't make money off of selling android, they make money off ads which are not exclusive to android. Oracle won't get that call.
No, we hate dependency.
Recommending linux is demanding dependence.
What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one. It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter. What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
It doesn't matter if the company is responsive to the user's needs.
If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided. The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them.
They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS. If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
WTF? Googling for a solution is not solving the problem themselves? Do you expect everyone to decompile the trojan and hunt down any little pieces that could be hiding in the system?
Linux is nothing but a googlefest since even the simplest incarnation is an arcane mess.
That article speaks for itself, Google doesn't make money off of selling android, they make money off ads which are not exclusive to android. Oracle won't get that call.
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not a lawyer not do I pretend to be a legal knowitall on the internet.
Most if not ALL OS's allow one to access the command line in some way. That is no excuse for 60-120,000 possible infections before being quelled.
How many people do you know that buy a mac specifically for the command line? Because I don't know any.
WTF does the command line have to do with anything?
60-120K infections among an installed base of 58 million users? And the 60-120K number is completely pulled out of thin air by Ed Bott (zdnet) based on a source he can't name for guesstimates in percentage and call volume.
Ed Bott is an apple hater so all of what he wrote needs to be taken with a ton of salt.
WTF does the command line have to do with anything?
60-120K infections among an installed base of 58 million users? And the 60-120K number is completely pulled out of thin air by Ed Bott (zdnet) based on a source he can't name for guesstimates in percentage and call volume.
Ed Bott is an apple hater so all of what he wrote needs to be taken with a ton of salt.
Welcome to forums. We all have a bias, agenda, or some reason why everything we say should be taken with a grain of salt haha
Before the ipad what was out there ??
before the iphone what was out there ??
your last remark made you a classic <<< a hole >>>>
play nice
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Right, and the guy who is talking trash otherwise doesnt make anything. You are the same, you picked my last sentence and didnt read the validity of the rest. Typical.
"ugly yowl of the Android army as they belittle the site management for sucking Apple's dick for even mentioning the name and bellowing about the "fanboys" and what they'd probably be saying or thinking, if they were actually in evidence."
I got pissed, cause of what I read. Comprende? Before you tell me to play nice, make sure you see what others have said before, and ask them to play nice as well. Double standards, eh?
F' this shit. Ill just read articles like I usually do and get outta here. You guys can battle it out, not really worth discussing anything with someone who cant see anything except what they want to. Proves one thing though, Apple fanatics are just as nasty, maybe even more.
One thing I will definitely PM to both you and the others who responded: When the next major Android release is out, Ill show you how the Apple fanbois come out in DROVES on other websites I happen to read bellowing the same crapola attitude that i hate about Android folks.
Before the ipad what was out there ??
before the iphone what was out there ??
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And yes, by the way, I will say one more time. READ what I wrote. I like Apple, and own 2 MBPs at home. My wife carries an iphone. I like to read about everything, AND I said Apple always has interesting announcements. Nothing before the iphone and the ipad, agreed, revolutionary products. That does NOT change the facts of what happened in Ios5. My point is, dont preach from the choir when you do the same thing yourself, and that was to Apple, and to the gazillion defenders of Apple. And yes, Google copied Apple, and so did the rest of the world. That happens in any industry. So for Apple to stand on the high chair and sue companies,a s an example, for copying the lock mechanism(HTC), this is a pretty low point. And everyone copies, and go read the rest, I am tired of repetetion. Who it got copied from, I dont give a rats ass. The point is, they copied, and not one. but multiple features. It does not mean its a POS, still the most slick OS out there for everyone, just not for me. Understand now?
God, I feel like I am talking to f'ing selfish teenagers. Ugh.
I give up. My comments were all based on features, and I specifically said that EVERYONE copies. I had an iphone until 3 weeks back, which I loved as well. Im a gadget and tech head, have all sorts in my home, while I type this on a mac. I read multiple sites not to find and comment. In fact, I rarely comment. But you obviously dont read as many sites as I do. Next time I see an Android release(Ice Cream is coming out in a few months) and Apple fanboys on there, I will be sure to PM you and make you shut your mouth up. Go read the Samsung S2 releases on some android sites, and you will see what I am talking about. I read apple and Android and WM and WebOS articles on different sites(use a news aggregator, heard of it?). So, before you go on and start talking bullshit out of your ignoramus rear, read my arguments, for ALL sides, not just Android or Apple. I ALSO said that some users, like yourself, agree that notifications needed to be improved. I ALSO said that there ARE Apple fanbois who made comments about Android's notifications being good, but at the same time, I read a bunch of comments which said how Apple's notifications will eventually beat Android's and make it look like crap. So, dont pick and choose my comments. Learn how to read the whole thing, not between the lines to suit your view.
If you dont read enough, thats not my fault. Calling me asshole without doing enough research says a lot. Before calling someone else names, look at your own post. Read it, and re-read it. You are no different than the Android/Apple trolls.
You can now go suck Steve's since you dont believe a word I am saying.
Over, and out.
Wow, somebody's wound up tight over ... opinions.
It's the Internet... not worth getting all huffy about!
For the same reason Google Voice doesn't get native support.
Now that Microsoft owns Skype and the underlying technology, that's the last thing Apple should support natively in iOS 5.
If you need Skype (or GV), get the apps for it.
Sometimes it's not as much about not having control over the user experience as it is about who would control it...
The distinction is irrelevant to Apple. As for Microsoft owning Skype, it doesn't change anything. Apple frequently incorporates technology from other companies into its products. Support for Microsoft Exchange, for example, is built-in to iOS.
Just tired of the abject cynicism. I suppose I should know better, but Apple hit about every pain point for me and changed mobile.me back into a free offering and the @^#$ trolls that will never own an Apple product simply because it came from Apple and nothing else predictably come out of the proverbial woodwork and start their thread crapping.
I'm somewhat better now
To be fair, the opposite is also true -- there are people who mock anything that isn't made by apple, and will only own an apple product simply because it came from apple. While this is to be expected at AI, they exist on many other tech sites that I read and thread crap there as well.
Fanboy-ism exists everywhere and it isn't something apple is immune to either.