Eminem had BETTER stuff when he wasn't mainstream. I've actually listened to his stuff for a while now, before The Slim Shady LP came out. I think the problem is that when you get big you tend to commercialize your raps more, and Eminem is just writing stuff that he knows will grab attention. Even if he basically uses his image to sell, he is still a great lyricist in my opinion. Eminem is a very smart person, believe me. You guys should listen to his old freestyle and stuff off of Infinite.
Probably my favorite rappers who I would put over Eminem are guys like Tupac Shakur, Reggie Noble (aka Redman), Talib Kweli, Mos Def,NaS (again his older stuff is better),Ghostface Killah, KRS One. Download a song called "Definition" by Talib & Mos Def. Sure rap can be poetic. Tupac wrote a book of poems (actually I believe more than one) and his rhymes have lots of messages in them.
If you think it's SO easy to flow just download an instrumental of "Cleanin Out My Closet" or anything, and just try it. Just like I wouldn't claim that it's so easy to play guitar or that I could.
Two rap groups I also like are Dilated Peoples, Wu-Tang, & Black Eyed Peas.
my 11 year old sister has begun listening to eminem, and i just found out about this today. i personally think he's a piece of sh*t with some very extreme lyrics. should i be concerned about her? im in college, so dont have much influence anymore, but i dont believe his crap is something an 11 year old should be hearing...</strong><hr></blockquote>
There is no way an 11 yr old should be listening to that crap. Make sure your parents know she has the CD, then next time you speak to your sister, calmly explain to her what good music is. Most rap music is packaged garbage. Then, slip her a Beatles CD, maybe the Wallflowers, something else current but musical. Maybe she'll see the light.............................
There is no way an 11 yr old should be listening to that crap. Make sure your parents know she has the CD, then next time you speak to your sister, calmly explain to her what good music is. Most rap music is packaged garbage. Then, slip her a Beatles CD, maybe the Wallflowers, something else current but musical. Maybe she'll see the light.............................</strong><hr></blockquote>
It might be a little understandable if she was a teen, going through a rebelious phase. For an 11 year old to be listening to it is worrying. Next time you speak to her you should ask her how she feels about the lyrics of the songs, does she find them merely amusing or does she think they are cool?
It might be a little understandable if she was a teen, going through a rebelious phase. For an 11 year old to be listening to it is worrying. Next time you speak to her you should ask her how she feels about the lyrics of the songs, does she find them merely amusing or does she think they are cool?</strong><hr></blockquote>
well she doesnt know what any of it means, but only listens to it cause her best friend plays it alot (my sisters a bit of a follower...). i told her that i dont agree that she listens to it and it isn't good music, but she claims its alright (she's stubborn and big brothers doesn't know anything to her). so...i dont know what else to do seeing as my parents dont seem to care about what she listens to in nearly the paranoid way they did with me.
<strong>IMHO, I think rapping is closer to real music than techno. Anyone can spin records, but not everyone can rhyme words on the fly and still make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really don't consider Moby techno, since the original association was between the two. When I think techno, I think 80s and German "Run Lola Run" soundtrack crap. Moby has a wide range of musical talents.
I really don't consider Moby techno, since the original association was between the two. When I think techno, I think 80s and German "Run Lola Run" soundtrack crap. Moby has a wide range of musical talents.</strong><hr></blockquote>
exactly. but most people have no idea what they are criticizing. they just stick people into generic groupings without even knowing what that person has to offer...
<strong>Yeah, I don't consider him techno either. The only reason Moby had a hit was cause he had Gwen Stefani in one of his videos. </strong><hr></blockquote>
he had many hits before he made that song...
in fact, i believe almost every song on his "play" album was either on the radio or put on a movie or commercial. id say thats pretty damn successful. it wasnt until after he was a hit til he did that song w/ stefani...
[quote]one request, please dont ask pointless questions that make it soooooooooo obvious you dont belong in this convo, like the thing with christina agulira, jeeeeez<hr></blockquote>
I think what's troubling is that you so clearly do belong in this type of conversation. But maybe you like it that way.
[quote]i believe almost every song on his "play" album was either on the radio or put on a movie or commercial. id say thats pretty damn successful.<hr></blockquote>
There you have it - how big of a sellout you are is now the official measure of success. j/k, alliance.
Seriously though, do what I did for my brother. Don't chastize them for listening to bad music, just help them find really good music. If you can give them the feeling that yo'ure letting them on something really cool that most people don't know about, even better. This is how I got my brother off of stupid "I need a hug" bands and listening to Ben Harper, Crooked Fingers, Dispatch, Guster, and Muse.
There you have it - how big of a sellout you are is now the official measure of success. j/k, alliance.
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haha, well "Play" is such a damn good album that i wouldnt label the success simply because it became popular. afterall, how can something be successful if no one wants to make it recognizable...? u can't have something be a success without the inevitable "sellout" label that goes along with it...
of course, i have many good cds that arent wellknown. these arent "successful" but are still better quality than many wellknown cds out there today...
its difficult to find the middleground, and honestly i think moby is pretty close...
<strong>Yeah, I don't consider him techno either. The only reason Moby had a hit was cause he had Gwen Stefani in one of his videos. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Moby Has been huge in the Dance music/techno sean(sp?) for years. He and a huge hit in the late 80's with a record containing a sample from the Twin Peaks soundtrack, <a href="http://www.mobymusic.com/discography/go.shtml"; target="_blank">go: Discography says 91 I am sure the single was being played at local 'raves'</a> (Irony: Peugeot wanted to use it in a car ad, Moby said no. The ad agency re-sampled the soundtrack and recreated the tune beat for beat. Moby could not do anything, because copyright etc. laws didn't cover the use of samples at the time). The reason all of Play got sold to every ad agency in town, was as much to do with the fact that Moby couldn't get any Radio airplay for any tracks. 'selling out' was the only way he had left for a 'wider audience' to hear the album.
Moby sucks arse, long, hard and strong, and here's why.
Moby was making lightweight and rather lame electronic music until he heard an album by Little Axe. Little Axe is a man called Skip Macdonald, an American guitar player living in London who's worked a lot with likes of Tackhead and heavyweight funk luminaries like Bernie Worrell (Funkadelic) and assorted other dons like the reggae producer Adrian Sherwood.
He made an album of heavyweight dub funk with stupendous blues samples collected over decades, spiritual lyrics, and beautiful music.
MOBY RIPPED THAT ALBUM OFF LIKE A BITCH.
He's a plagiarist in extremis, and if you don't believe me, Gnutella some Little Axe. It's the shiznit. Moby ripped it off and made a fortune, and anyone with ears and an Amazon account will you this. Little Axe has got three albums now, and if you've got the first good Moby album, stop listening to and go to your nearest browser now.
moby used to make techno, i don't think his last few albums have been techno. i don't really listen to him though i did see himlive once when he was doing techno
i don't care for rap, it all sound the same to me, seriously
did i actually say that i didnt belong in a convo like this.....no!
if you could comprehend anything you would ahve realised that i was making the point that all the people who are clueless on the subject shouldnt be making irrelevent comments.....just like you
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Probably my favorite rappers who I would put over Eminem are guys like Tupac Shakur, Reggie Noble (aka Redman), Talib Kweli, Mos Def,NaS (again his older stuff is better),Ghostface Killah, KRS One. Download a song called "Definition" by Talib & Mos Def. Sure rap can be poetic. Tupac wrote a book of poems (actually I believe more than one) and his rhymes have lots of messages in them.
If you think it's SO easy to flow just download an instrumental of "Cleanin Out My Closet" or anything, and just try it. Just like I wouldn't claim that it's so easy to play guitar or that I could.
Two rap groups I also like are Dilated Peoples, Wu-Tang, & Black Eyed Peas.
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<strong>quick question:
my 11 year old sister has begun listening to eminem, and i just found out about this today. i personally think he's a piece of sh*t with some very extreme lyrics. should i be concerned about her? im in college, so dont have much influence anymore, but i dont believe his crap is something an 11 year old should be hearing...</strong><hr></blockquote>
There is no way an 11 yr old should be listening to that crap. Make sure your parents know she has the CD, then next time you speak to your sister, calmly explain to her what good music is. Most rap music is packaged garbage. Then, slip her a Beatles CD, maybe the Wallflowers, something else current but musical. Maybe she'll see the light.............................
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There is no way an 11 yr old should be listening to that crap. Make sure your parents know she has the CD, then next time you speak to your sister, calmly explain to her what good music is. Most rap music is packaged garbage. Then, slip her a Beatles CD, maybe the Wallflowers, something else current but musical. Maybe she'll see the light.............................</strong><hr></blockquote>
It might be a little understandable if she was a teen, going through a rebelious phase. For an 11 year old to be listening to it is worrying. Next time you speak to her you should ask her how she feels about the lyrics of the songs, does she find them merely amusing or does she think they are cool?
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It might be a little understandable if she was a teen, going through a rebelious phase. For an 11 year old to be listening to it is worrying. Next time you speak to her you should ask her how she feels about the lyrics of the songs, does she find them merely amusing or does she think they are cool?</strong><hr></blockquote>
well she doesnt know what any of it means, but only listens to it cause her best friend plays it alot (my sisters a bit of a follower...). i told her that i dont agree that she listens to it and it isn't good music, but she claims its alright (she's stubborn and big brothers doesn't know anything to her). so...i dont know what else to do seeing as my parents dont seem to care about what she listens to in nearly the paranoid way they did with me.
<strong>IMHO, I think rapping is closer to real music than techno. Anyone can spin records, but not everyone can rhyme words on the fly and still make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really don't consider Moby techno, since the original association was between the two. When I think techno, I think 80s and German "Run Lola Run" soundtrack crap. Moby has a wide range of musical talents.
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I really don't consider Moby techno, since the original association was between the two. When I think techno, I think 80s and German "Run Lola Run" soundtrack crap. Moby has a wide range of musical talents.</strong><hr></blockquote>
exactly. but most people have no idea what they are criticizing. they just stick people into generic groupings without even knowing what that person has to offer...
<strong>Yeah, I don't consider him techno either. The only reason Moby had a hit was cause he had Gwen Stefani in one of his videos.
he had many hits before he made that song...
in fact, i believe almost every song on his "play" album was either on the radio or put on a movie or commercial. id say thats pretty damn successful. it wasnt until after he was a hit til he did that song w/ stefani...
I think what's troubling is that you so clearly do belong in this type of conversation. But maybe you like it that way.
[quote]i believe almost every song on his "play" album was either on the radio or put on a movie or commercial. id say thats pretty damn successful.<hr></blockquote>
There you have it - how big of a sellout you are is now the official measure of success.
Seriously though, do what I did for my brother. Don't chastize them for listening to bad music, just help them find really good music. If you can give them the feeling that yo'ure letting them on something really cool that most people don't know about, even better. This is how I got my brother off of stupid "I need a hug" bands and listening to Ben Harper, Crooked Fingers, Dispatch, Guster, and Muse.
<strong>
There you have it - how big of a sellout you are is now the official measure of success.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
haha, well "Play" is such a damn good album that i wouldnt label the success simply because it became popular. afterall, how can something be successful if no one wants to make it recognizable...? u can't have something be a success without the inevitable "sellout" label that goes along with it...
of course, i have many good cds that arent wellknown. these arent "successful" but are still better quality than many wellknown cds out there today...
its difficult to find the middleground, and honestly i think moby is pretty close...
<strong>Yeah, I don't consider him techno either. The only reason Moby had a hit was cause he had Gwen Stefani in one of his videos.
Moby Has been huge in the Dance music/techno sean(sp?) for years. He and a huge hit in the late 80's with a record containing a sample from the Twin Peaks soundtrack, <a href="http://www.mobymusic.com/discography/go.shtml"; target="_blank">go: Discography says 91 I am sure the single was being played at local 'raves'</a> (Irony: Peugeot wanted to use it in a car ad, Moby said no. The ad agency re-sampled the soundtrack and recreated the tune beat for beat. Moby could not do anything, because copyright etc. laws didn't cover the use of samples at the time). The reason all of Play got sold to every ad agency in town, was as much to do with the fact that Moby couldn't get any Radio airplay for any tracks. 'selling out' was the only way he had left for a 'wider audience' to hear the album.
Moby was making lightweight and rather lame electronic music until he heard an album by Little Axe. Little Axe is a man called Skip Macdonald, an American guitar player living in London who's worked a lot with likes of Tackhead and heavyweight funk luminaries like Bernie Worrell (Funkadelic) and assorted other dons like the reggae producer Adrian Sherwood.
He made an album of heavyweight dub funk with stupendous blues samples collected over decades, spiritual lyrics, and beautiful music.
MOBY RIPPED THAT ALBUM OFF LIKE A BITCH.
He's a plagiarist in extremis, and if you don't believe me, Gnutella some Little Axe. It's the shiznit. Moby ripped it off and made a fortune, and anyone with ears and an Amazon account will you this. Little Axe has got three albums now, and if you've got the first good Moby album, stop listening to and go to your nearest browser now.
i don't care for rap, it all sound the same to me, seriously
did i actually say that i didnt belong in a convo like this.....no!
if you could comprehend anything you would ahve realised that i was making the point that all the people who are clueless on the subject shouldnt be making irrelevent comments.....just like you
don't forget the genius of David Cassidy and Alvin Stardust
<strong>Right on Vargas <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
don't forget the genius of David Cassidy and Alvin Stardust</strong><hr></blockquote>
And how can we possibly overlook that visionary Adam Ant?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Nor can we be blind to the contribution made by The Osmond Brothers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And where would we be without the badass rockin' rhythms of the great Barry Manilow?