And something tells me Apple won't use the phrase "4G" at all. They'll just say what it has: HSPA+ or LTE. Let the telecoms wave their genitalia around about "4G".
I believe LTE Advanced is 1Gb/s for peak fixed speeds and 100Mb/s for peak mobile use. As well as a crap load of other features that aren't yet met by any carrier.
PS: As people who follow the tech industry we have to be aware of marketing buzzwords that sound great but do little to help (and con sometimes hurt) the end user experience. Take all those Android-based devices that appeared on that market claiming to have to 802.11n WiFi. Sounds great over the 802.11g that Apple had in their devices, but when AnandTech did their tests they found that Apple's old and crusty iDevices had a higher throughput in 802.11g than these awesome¡ Android-based devices had using 802.11n. Not all HW are the same and quality drivers can be a huge undertaking to get right. Spec sheets can't detail these very real and very significant differences.
I believe LTE Advanced is 1Gb/s for peak fixed speeds and 100Mb/s for peak mobile use. As well as a crap load of other features that aren't yet met by any carrier.
I mean I could have sworn the definition for "4G" was 1Gb/s and that LTE-A maxed at 600 Mb/s. Oh, well.
I mean I could have sworn the definition for "4G" was 1Gb/s and that LTE-A maxed at 600 Mb/s. Oh, well.
The "official" definition of LTE-A by the ITU-T keeps changing and will likely continue to change. It's complex and can't ever be met for years to come due to the rate at which HW improvements progress. That's a physical fact.
In the mean time we'll just have to deal with any and everyone being able to call something '4G' because the marketing works for them. It's not like they are lying, they don't have to follow the ITU-T.
Solipsism4G
edit: You can't focus on the '4G' nickname. It's pointless as they are only meaningful within the standards bodies that are using them. You have to look at what is actually defined by the term… and yet they still keep changing the requirements as the proposals progress. I think you are thinking of 3GPP Long Term Evolution.
Perhaps this could also indicate that the products being unveiled will be smaller and less impressive than we had hoped. An iPhone 4 with a faster GPU isn't really going to be worth renting an enormous conference room for.
Or it could indicate that Apple doesn't feel they need to drag a room of press across the country anymore for releases. Outside of WWDC, which is a huge event where a keynote is actually the smallest part, maybe they will do all events on campus. Invite local press to be on site and the rest get press releases, on site videos etc. The blogs source each other all the time anyway. Apple tested live streaming a keynote a couple of years ago, perhaps they got the bugs out and will do that as well.
As for your attempted diss on the hardware. Frankly I don't see the iPhone 5 as being a huge change. LTE isn't really ready yet and that's the big ticket item. I think that an LTE iPhone with support for both CDMA and GSM fallback and a software based 'sim' is in the works for the iPhone 6. This time around I think the updates are software based via iOS 5 and it's 200+ new features etc. And remember, most folks are on a two year contract and don't upgrade midway. So the jump from a 3GS to a '4s' is pretty big for them.
Also note that Apple has been making moves to make itself less predictable (than it already was!) and not having to book giant public spaces for product launches does a great deal to allow Apple to be more mysterious.
I suspect you are correct. Apple loathes ANY details getting out before Apple tells them and by now they know folks are watching the calendars. Keeping things in house keeps it on the QT. Plus keeping it in house, they know the tech they are working with, can update, lock down etc a lot easier and avoid anymore wifi issues during demos etc
Or it could indicate that Apple doesn't feel they need to drag a room of press across the country anymore for releases. Outside of WWDC, which is a huge event where a keynote is actually the smallest part, maybe they will do all events on campus. Invite local press to be on site and the rest get press releases, on site videos etc. The blogs source each other all the time anyway. Apple tested live streaming a keynote a couple of years ago, perhaps they got the bugs out and will do that as well.
Unfortunately for us this means they don't have to give us much of a warning. They'll stream the event right from the campus with plenty of bandwidth and internal planning and let the tech blogs do their thing remotely instead of sitting in Moscone fervently detailing every word and taking snapshots they can post with amazing speed.
Except of the lack of an advanced warning I'm happy by this change.
As for your attempted diss on the hardware. Frankly I don't see the iPhone 5 as being a huge change. LTE isn't really ready yet and that's the big ticket item. I think that an LTE iPhone with support for both CDMA and GSM fallback and a software based 'sim' is in the works for the iPhone 6. This time around I think the updates are software based via iOS 5 and it's 200+ new features etc. And remember, most folks are on a two year contract and don't upgrade midway. So the jump from a 3GS to a '4s' is pretty big for them.
So, let me add a few other notable differences. The new iPhone 4s (or 5) will most likely support HSPA+ (AT&T) and CDMA (Verizon, Sprint). The speed differences are now even more apparent (14-21 mbs for HSPA+ and 3 mbs for CDMA). Also, CDMA still does not support true data/voice multitasking (you would need 2 iPhones to do that!)
Next year, when/if Apple decides to support LTE, that will leave Sprint out of the running....they do not support it. They are stuck with their slow and featureless CDMA. Verizon and AT&T will be able to fully support LTE. However, both of these networks will not be fully built out until around 2013-2014. Verizon will have to fallback to CDMA (will a user drop a call?) while AT&T can seamlessly fallback on HSPA+.
Unfortunately for us this means they don't have to give us much of a warning.
Which may be what they want.
All this talk of blackouts etc may be some what bogus in terms of the implications. It could be that Apple in fact told managers to limit requests for Oct 4- 12th, with nothing allowed on the weekends because they are high traffic times in general.
Come this Tuesday there could be an invite to come to the Apple website on Thursday for some amazing, magical news. Perhaps with a campus event that is live streamed. Or maybe it's just a bunch of new info pages and video. Of the new iPods releasing the next day, of ios5 releasing in waves starting the next, icloud etc. And also the new iPhone which releases on Oct 4th with online orders starting at 12:01am that day and no reservations like they did the iPad 2 (I rather hope not on the reservations, I heard that was a PR nightmare at the stores)
Sure it's not what they did when Jobs was the Captain of the ship, but he's not captain anymore and shaking things up a bit isn't out of line. Especially since they know folks will take the news however Apple dishes it out and will show up and buy even if they don't like the rules or have to try a dozen times to score
Not necessarily. Apple has used their own smaller venue for numerous announcements in the past and I read that Oracle is having some big conference in town, which means that the larger venue is already taken.
It doesn't matter if Apple holds their announcement in a 2x2 closet, it will be huge news which will be reported all around the world.
Apple only needs to invite the press to announce the new iPhone. They don't need a huge venue with a ton of people sitting in the audience, who don't really need to be there.
They only need media folks so they don't need a larger venue.
It isn't about slightly bumped iPhone 4 jeez.
For those who are clueless why WWDC events has a larger venue, that's because there are developers attendees which is 4,200 people and around 1,000 Apple engineers. Plus, those media guys.
I'm so thankful that I'm not the only one seeing thru the sorry-marketing for what-3G-shouldve-been as being portrayed as 4G.
...
But here's just some thoughts:
- IPhone 4+ (as someelse here hinted). Except I don't know how it would help VZ or Sprint
- IPhone LTE (get them in our hands early so we have them when it's finally rolled out/ assuming they found a way to fix their LTE chip issues)
- Cook was always regarded as an executive, not a marketer like Jobs. Maybe their trying to ween off the big shows into something newer for the new regime?
- It may be my wishful thinking but I like the idea someone here had about the campus having LTE for the promo. Honestly, I can't see a modest upgrade for Cook's first order of public business. But besides 4G and NFC, what else could make it a 5 instead of a 4S?
- IPhone LTE (get them in our hands early so we have them when it's finally rolled out
That's crazy. I refuse to buy a phone that will waste its battery looking for a network that doesn't exist.
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But besides 4G and NFC, what else could make it a 5 instead of a 4S?
Since neither of those are in any way "requirements" for making the iPhone a? what, 5(?), I would say that absolutely anything ever in the history of EVER would make it an iPhone 5.
Sorry for the over-the-top response, but what you've said is so completely nonsensical, it was required.
So let's go down the list in order of importance as to what could easily make the next iPhone the iPhone 5.
One: IT'S THE FIFTH MODEL OF IPHONE. HOW EXTRAORDINARY A NAMING CONVENTION.
Two: A5 chip. Fifth iPhone. A5 chip. Just like the iPhone 4 was the fourth iPhone with an A4 chip.
And that's really it. Two isn't even needed. Even if it had the same processor, it's the fifth model of iPhone, so it could easily be the iPhone 5 from that alone.
There's really only one legitimate reason to jailbreak iDevices anymore because of it.
Honest question: what's the one legitimate reason? (There are a couple of things I'd like to do that I can't without jail breaking, and I don't think iOS 5 fixes either one. But my one experience of jail breaking was so horrible that those things aren't THAT important to me.)
Honest question: what's the one legitimate reason? (There are a couple of things I'd like to do that I can't without jail breaking, and I don't think iOS 5 fixes either one. But my one experience of jail breaking was so horrible that those things aren't THAT important to me.)
I consider some interface modification to be legitimate. Not, you know, overloading your device with disgusting, hideous icons or taking away all color, opacity, and making it impossible to differentiate anything, but if you want more customizability than Apple gives you, you have to jailbreak.
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Thought 4G was 1Gbps…
And something tells me Apple won't use the phrase "4G" at all. They'll just say what it has: HSPA+ or LTE. Let the telecoms wave their genitalia around about "4G".
I believe LTE Advanced is 1Gb/s for peak fixed speeds and 100Mb/s for peak mobile use. As well as a crap load of other features that aren't yet met by any carrier.
PS: As people who follow the tech industry we have to be aware of marketing buzzwords that sound great but do little to help (and con sometimes hurt) the end user experience. Take all those Android-based devices that appeared on that market claiming to have to 802.11n WiFi. Sounds great over the 802.11g that Apple had in their devices, but when AnandTech did their tests they found that Apple's old and crusty iDevices had a higher throughput in 802.11g than these awesome¡ Android-based devices had using 802.11n. Not all HW are the same and quality drivers can be a huge undertaking to get right. Spec sheets can't detail these very real and very significant differences.
I believe LTE Advanced is 1Gb/s for peak fixed speeds and 100Mb/s for peak mobile use. As well as a crap load of other features that aren't yet met by any carrier.
I mean I could have sworn the definition for "4G" was 1Gb/s and that LTE-A maxed at 600 Mb/s. Oh, well.
I mean I could have sworn the definition for "4G" was 1Gb/s and that LTE-A maxed at 600 Mb/s. Oh, well.
The "official" definition of LTE-A by the ITU-T keeps changing and will likely continue to change. It's complex and can't ever be met for years to come due to the rate at which HW improvements progress. That's a physical fact.
In the mean time we'll just have to deal with any and everyone being able to call something '4G' because the marketing works for them. It's not like they are lying, they don't have to follow the ITU-T.
Solipsism4G
edit: You can't focus on the '4G' nickname. It's pointless as they are only meaningful within the standards bodies that are using them. You have to look at what is actually defined by the term… and yet they still keep changing the requirements as the proposals progress. I think you are thinking of 3GPP Long Term Evolution.
Perhaps this could also indicate that the products being unveiled will be smaller and less impressive than we had hoped. An iPhone 4 with a faster GPU isn't really going to be worth renting an enormous conference room for.
Or it could indicate that Apple doesn't feel they need to drag a room of press across the country anymore for releases. Outside of WWDC, which is a huge event where a keynote is actually the smallest part, maybe they will do all events on campus. Invite local press to be on site and the rest get press releases, on site videos etc. The blogs source each other all the time anyway. Apple tested live streaming a keynote a couple of years ago, perhaps they got the bugs out and will do that as well.
As for your attempted diss on the hardware. Frankly I don't see the iPhone 5 as being a huge change. LTE isn't really ready yet and that's the big ticket item. I think that an LTE iPhone with support for both CDMA and GSM fallback and a software based 'sim' is in the works for the iPhone 6. This time around I think the updates are software based via iOS 5 and it's 200+ new features etc. And remember, most folks are on a two year contract and don't upgrade midway. So the jump from a 3GS to a '4s' is pretty big for them.
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Or how about this. Flag spam etc and don't reply to it at all. Then you don't have to remember not to quote it, edit it etc
Oh no! You know what this means!
Nothing at all.
Also note that Apple has been making moves to make itself less predictable (than it already was!) and not having to book giant public spaces for product launches does a great deal to allow Apple to be more mysterious.
I suspect you are correct. Apple loathes ANY details getting out before Apple tells them and by now they know folks are watching the calendars. Keeping things in house keeps it on the QT. Plus keeping it in house, they know the tech they are working with, can update, lock down etc a lot easier and avoid anymore wifi issues during demos etc
Or it could indicate that Apple doesn't feel they need to drag a room of press across the country anymore for releases. Outside of WWDC, which is a huge event where a keynote is actually the smallest part, maybe they will do all events on campus. Invite local press to be on site and the rest get press releases, on site videos etc. The blogs source each other all the time anyway. Apple tested live streaming a keynote a couple of years ago, perhaps they got the bugs out and will do that as well.
Unfortunately for us this means they don't have to give us much of a warning. They'll stream the event right from the campus with plenty of bandwidth and internal planning and let the tech blogs do their thing remotely instead of sitting in Moscone fervently detailing every word and taking snapshots they can post with amazing speed.
Except of the lack of an advanced warning I'm happy by this change.
Hmmm...small venue = small announcement. We will probably only see an iPhone 4S this year.
How is iOS 5 in any way a "small" announcement? There's really only one legitimate reason to jailbreak iDevices anymore because of it.
And a couple illegitimate ones.
Don't get me started on iCloud.
As for your attempted diss on the hardware. Frankly I don't see the iPhone 5 as being a huge change. LTE isn't really ready yet and that's the big ticket item. I think that an LTE iPhone with support for both CDMA and GSM fallback and a software based 'sim' is in the works for the iPhone 6. This time around I think the updates are software based via iOS 5 and it's 200+ new features etc. And remember, most folks are on a two year contract and don't upgrade midway. So the jump from a 3GS to a '4s' is pretty big for them.
So, let me add a few other notable differences. The new iPhone 4s (or 5) will most likely support HSPA+ (AT&T) and CDMA (Verizon, Sprint). The speed differences are now even more apparent (14-21 mbs for HSPA+ and 3 mbs for CDMA). Also, CDMA still does not support true data/voice multitasking (you would need 2 iPhones to do that!)
Next year, when/if Apple decides to support LTE, that will leave Sprint out of the running....they do not support it. They are stuck with their slow and featureless CDMA. Verizon and AT&T will be able to fully support LTE. However, both of these networks will not be fully built out until around 2013-2014. Verizon will have to fallback to CDMA (will a user drop a call?) while AT&T can seamlessly fallback on HSPA+.
Happy Shopping.
Verizon will have to fallback to CDMA (will a user drop a call?)
No, it will be using CDMA, anyway. The LTE voice spec isn't finalized yet. You can't use LTE for voice, only data. That goes for both carriers.
Plus: way easier to park in Cupertino than in downtown SF.
Minus: way harder to get a cab.
How about a shuttle bus with a help-yourself beer keg as you get on.
Unfortunately for us this means they don't have to give us much of a warning.
Which may be what they want.
All this talk of blackouts etc may be some what bogus in terms of the implications. It could be that Apple in fact told managers to limit requests for Oct 4- 12th, with nothing allowed on the weekends because they are high traffic times in general.
Come this Tuesday there could be an invite to come to the Apple website on Thursday for some amazing, magical news. Perhaps with a campus event that is live streamed. Or maybe it's just a bunch of new info pages and video. Of the new iPods releasing the next day, of ios5 releasing in waves starting the next, icloud etc. And also the new iPhone which releases on Oct 4th with online orders starting at 12:01am that day and no reservations like they did the iPad 2 (I rather hope not on the reservations, I heard that was a PR nightmare at the stores)
Sure it's not what they did when Jobs was the Captain of the ship, but he's not captain anymore and shaking things up a bit isn't out of line. Especially since they know folks will take the news however Apple dishes it out and will show up and buy even if they don't like the rules or have to try a dozen times to score
Not necessarily. Apple has used their own smaller venue for numerous announcements in the past and I read that Oracle is having some big conference in town, which means that the larger venue is already taken.
It doesn't matter if Apple holds their announcement in a 2x2 closet, it will be huge news which will be reported all around the world.
Apple only needs to invite the press to announce the new iPhone. They don't need a huge venue with a ton of people sitting in the audience, who don't really need to be there.
It isn't about slightly bumped iPhone 4 jeez.
For those who are clueless why WWDC events has a larger venue, that's because there are developers attendees which is 4,200 people and around 1,000 Apple engineers. Plus, those media guys.
...
But here's just some thoughts:
- IPhone 4+ (as someelse here hinted). Except I don't know how it would help VZ or Sprint
- IPhone LTE (get them in our hands early so we have them when it's finally rolled out/ assuming they found a way to fix their LTE chip issues)
- Cook was always regarded as an executive, not a marketer like Jobs. Maybe their trying to ween off the big shows into something newer for the new regime?
- It may be my wishful thinking but I like the idea someone here had about the campus having LTE for the promo. Honestly, I can't see a modest upgrade for Cook's first order of public business. But besides 4G and NFC, what else could make it a 5 instead of a 4S?
- IPhone LTE (get them in our hands early so we have them when it's finally rolled out
That's crazy. I refuse to buy a phone that will waste its battery looking for a network that doesn't exist.
But besides 4G and NFC, what else could make it a 5 instead of a 4S?
Since neither of those are in any way "requirements" for making the iPhone a? what, 5(?), I would say that absolutely anything ever in the history of EVER would make it an iPhone 5.
Sorry for the over-the-top response, but what you've said is so completely nonsensical, it was required.
So let's go down the list in order of importance as to what could easily make the next iPhone the iPhone 5.
One: IT'S THE FIFTH MODEL OF IPHONE. HOW EXTRAORDINARY A NAMING CONVENTION.
Two: A5 chip. Fifth iPhone. A5 chip. Just like the iPhone 4 was the fourth iPhone with an A4 chip.
And that's really it. Two isn't even needed. Even if it had the same processor, it's the fifth model of iPhone, so it could easily be the iPhone 5 from that alone.
There's really only one legitimate reason to jailbreak iDevices anymore because of it.
Honest question: what's the one legitimate reason? (There are a couple of things I'd like to do that I can't without jail breaking, and I don't think iOS 5 fixes either one. But my one experience of jail breaking was so horrible that those things aren't THAT important to me.)
Honest question: what's the one legitimate reason? (There are a couple of things I'd like to do that I can't without jail breaking, and I don't think iOS 5 fixes either one. But my one experience of jail breaking was so horrible that those things aren't THAT important to me.)
I consider some interface modification to be legitimate. Not, you know, overloading your device with disgusting, hideous icons or taking away all color, opacity, and making it impossible to differentiate anything, but if you want more customizability than Apple gives you, you have to jailbreak.