I don't think they did have a paradigm shifting idea. Or at least nothing as groundbreaking as iOS. My thing is that people seem genuinely upset that companies shifted focus after something changed the game.
I'm saying iOS and Android are different were created at the same time and as stock look and work differently.
I'm saying that Android saw iOS realized what they had at the time was no longer up to par so they had to modify the OS accordingly hence android 1.0.
I'm saying that doing such is perfectly acceptable I'm business as long as inspiration is not copying (G1 vs Galaxy S in my previous post)
Android has a lot of great ideas. None as groundbreaking as the original (and second) iPhone.
But it isn't a copy and no one can tell me how it is a copy.
You yourself said the game changed...what changed in Android after the iPhone. How many similarities do you see. You seem to have a different idea of what copying is. How about a little too heavily influenced by. Is that better?
Most people here are capable of simply speaking with me. Some just ignore the second they find that I don't agree with them. Most people who've ignored me did so over stupid disagreements.
I can be childish at times but sometimes you realize it doesntnmattwr how you say something when you're considered a troll simply for owning am Android phone...(and an iPad, and work in Mac osx but those facts don't matter)
Most people here are capable of simply speaking with me. Some just ignore the second they find that I don't agree with them. Most people who've ignored me did so over stupid disagreements.
I can be childish at times but sometimes you realize it doesntnmattwr how you say something when you're considered a troll simply for owning am Android phone...(and an iPad, and work in Mac osx but those facts don't matter)
There are less posters here who'd think you're trolling for owning an Android-based phone than there are posters here who own Android-based phones.
Sorry for your losses and yea my grandfather after the cancer came back a second time opted for minimal care so he could at least function. I got to see him and all his old school cool a few more times before his death because of that.
Reading what I read about Jobs dilemma is actually upsetting more because my grandfather died from s similar complication. Had he had they rare slow growing and early detected form and had the option for treatment he'd probably be alive today.
Yeah, there is always hope & where there is hope there are possiblities...but sometimes that's all you have. Sometimes reality is quite different. Some people do well others don't. Sounds like you're Grandfather did what he wanted to do in the end & that, as hard as it may be to understand, was his choice & I'm sure you respected that.
You yourself said the game changed...what changed in Android after the iPhone. How many similarities do you see. You seem to have a different idea of what copying is. How about a little too heavily influenced by. Is that better?
I see the shift to an icon based OS over a menu driven one.
Yeah, there is always hope & where there is hope there are possiblities...but sometimes that's all you have. Sometimes reality is quite different. Some people do well others don't. Sounds like you're Grandfather did what he wanted to do in the end & that, as hard as it may be to understand, was his choice & I'm sure you respected that.
Yea that was the third time it came back and he decided at that point to just live and die as opposed to be sick and die. Very respectable decision.
Yea that was the third time it came back and he decided at that point to just live and die as opposed to be sick and die. Very respectable decision.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
This is the long list. Correction: really long list, but if you actually go through it you get reminded of features iOS (and other mobile OSes) didn't initially have that you now take for granted. Funny how technology changes your expectations so quickly and with little option to turn back.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
Accelerometer on a phone wasn't an Apple first thing. Besides it's one of the things that make sense to use (in retrospect yes but still). Android UI isn't like iOS. UX definitely isn't. Visual Voicemail never belonged to Apple (and until 4.0 wasn't part of Android) Maps? I dont get that one. And autohyperlinking is a patent I don't agree with.
What do you mean by making it easier to navigate a phone?
As for everything else u said. Do me a favor tell me what exactly Android slavishly stole from iOS. A bullet point list preferably. No one seems to be able to do that.
This article on the Apple-HTC suit lists many things in Android allegedly/slavishly stolen by Google. Scroll down get to see the bullet point list.
What does that actually mean? Do you have some examples?
I would say bbOS is more menu driven whereas webos would be more icon driven. Even then it's moreso a description of the main homepage as behind that all oses are menu driven.
I'm sure those aren't the proper terms for the OS types but that's how I refer to them.
I don't think they did have a paradigm shifting idea. Or at least nothing as groundbreaking as iOS. My thing is that people seem genuinely upset that companies shifted focus after something changed the game.
I'm saying iOS and Android are different were created at the same time and as stock look and work differently.
I'm saying that Android saw iOS realized what they had at the time was no longer up to par so they had to modify the OS accordingly hence android 1.0.
I'm saying that doing such is perfectly acceptable I'm business as long as inspiration is not copying (G1 vs Galaxy S in my previous post)
Android has a lot of great ideas. None as groundbreaking as the original (and second) iPhone.
But it isn't a copy and no one can tell me how it is a copy.
If a bunch of forum posters on the net could provide proof then google would have been sued a long time ago.
The evidence is pretty apparent, just not enough to let Apple take on Google and know they will win. They learned that lesson verses Microsoft.
The Fact that Google had access to the Apple tech that went into the iOS, the fact that they had a high ranking member with access to this information, and that they were cloning the Black berry before this is proof enough to any logical person.
Google probably had their plans to clone already in order just waiting to see how well the iPhone did.
Just because it's not strong enough to make it in court does not meant that google did not steal.
Does that mean any and all things Apple claims are true? No. Does that mean Droids have not given one or two good things to the market? No. But the Droid OS is an empty and hollow clone of iOS and before that of the Black Berry OS. It's not competition it does little to change or improve the market by way of innovation.
iPhone showed us what we really wanted in our smart phones and google simply said "I can do it half as well for half the price." They added in the notifications screen.
I hate to say it, but I really hope the windows Mobile environment takes off. I have played with it over the weekend a bit and it's not that bad. I like iOS better, but at least this has a feel to it that is a strong base and not just a hollow empty copy of what Apple does. I welcome this, I hope it gives Apple a run for it's money so that we see real innovation, not just thinner phones with bigger screens.
If a bunch of forum posters on the net could provide proof then google would have been sued a long time ago.
The evidence is pretty apparent, just not enough to let Apple take on Google and know they will win. They learned that lesson verses Microsoft.
The Fact that Google had access to the Apple tech that went into the iOS, the fact that they had a high ranking member with access to this information, and that they were cloning the Black berry before this is proof enough to any logical person.
Google probably had their plans to clone already in order just waiting to see how well the iPhone did.
Just because it's not strong enough to make it in court does not meant that google did not steal.
Does that mean any and all things Apple claims are true? No. Does that mean Droids have not given one or two good things to the market? No. But the Droid OS is an empty and hollow clone of iOS and before that of the Black Berry OS. It's not competition it does little to change or improve the market by way of innovation.
iPhone showed us what we really wanted in our smart phones and google simply said "I can do it half as well for half the price." They added in the notifications screen.
I hate to say it, but I really hope the windows Mobile environment takes off. I have played with it over the weekend a bit and it's not that bad. I like iOS better, but at least this has a feel to it that is a strong base and not just a hollow empty copy of what Apple does. I welcome this, I hope it gives Apple a run for it's money so that we see real innovation, not just thinner phones with bigger screens.
So you just make stuff up and stick that small very unlikely possibility at the top of the likely list?
Android was always hardware agnostic BTW it was never meant for just one form factor. Hence being based in Java and the dalvik vm.
So you just make stuff up and stick that small very unlikely possibility at the top of the likely list?
Android was always hardware agnostic BTW it was never meant for just one form factor. Hence being based in Java and the dalvik vm.
Droid was meant for the basic Button controlled interface, with a set number of control buttons. outside of the keyboard BBs buttons scheme was pretty basic The same phone controlling buttons we have seen on a thousand other phones before it. I doubt Droid was thinking of multi touch when it was building to ape the Black Berry. Droid was always meant to be a clone, never anything original.
Once again if the facts to prove it were so blatant that anyone could just list them out Droid would never have made it to market. However you can keep asking for proof that you know is not so easy to obtain and claim that it proves you're correct. Thinking you are so smart when in the end your argument is just hollow like the Droid.
Droid was meant for the basic Button controlled interface, with a set number of control buttons. outside of the keyboard BBs buttons scheme was pretty basic The same phone controlling buttons we have seen on a thousand other phones before it. I doubt Droid was thinking of multi touch when it was building to ape the Black Berry. Droid was always meant to be a clone, never anything original.
Once again if the facts to prove it were so blatant that anyone could just list them out Droid would never have made it to market. However you can keep asking for proof that you know is not so easy to obtain and claim that it proves you're correct. Thinking you are so smart when in the end you are just hollow like the Droid.
So let me get this straight.
You admit it can't be proven that it was stolen. Yet it must be?
Why?
Also why must people not adapt to paradigm shifts in a market? Should Microsoft have kept the old windows mobile paradigm because we all know windows phone OS wouldn't exist without iOS (and Android) being in existence.
Tell me what you personally find (based on your extensive usage) the same in both Android and iOS that is so blatant so obvious that it is stolen.
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I don't think they did have a paradigm shifting idea. Or at least nothing as groundbreaking as iOS. My thing is that people seem genuinely upset that companies shifted focus after something changed the game.
I'm saying iOS and Android are different were created at the same time and as stock look and work differently.
I'm saying that Android saw iOS realized what they had at the time was no longer up to par so they had to modify the OS accordingly hence android 1.0.
I'm saying that doing such is perfectly acceptable I'm business as long as inspiration is not copying (G1 vs Galaxy S in my previous post)
Android has a lot of great ideas. None as groundbreaking as the original (and second) iPhone.
But it isn't a copy and no one can tell me how it is a copy.
You yourself said the game changed...what changed in Android after the iPhone. How many similarities do you see. You seem to have a different idea of what copying is. How about a little too heavily influenced by. Is that better?
It's childish comments that like that make people want to ignore you, not a well reasoned post that counters another's opinion.
Case in point, I just disagreed with digitalclips a few minutes ago: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...2&postcount=91
Most people here are capable of simply speaking with me. Some just ignore the second they find that I don't agree with them. Most people who've ignored me did so over stupid disagreements.
I can be childish at times but sometimes you realize it doesntnmattwr how you say something when you're considered a troll simply for owning am Android phone...(and an iPad, and work in Mac osx but those facts don't matter)
Most people here are capable of simply speaking with me. Some just ignore the second they find that I don't agree with them. Most people who've ignored me did so over stupid disagreements.
I can be childish at times but sometimes you realize it doesntnmattwr how you say something when you're considered a troll simply for owning am Android phone...(and an iPad, and work in Mac osx but those facts don't matter)
There are less posters here who'd think you're trolling for owning an Android-based phone than there are posters here who own Android-based phones.
Sorry for your losses and yea my grandfather after the cancer came back a second time opted for minimal care so he could at least function. I got to see him and all his old school cool a few more times before his death because of that.
Reading what I read about Jobs dilemma is actually upsetting more because my grandfather died from s similar complication. Had he had they rare slow growing and early detected form and had the option for treatment he'd probably be alive today.
Yeah, there is always hope & where there is hope there are possiblities...but sometimes that's all you have. Sometimes reality is quite different. Some people do well others don't. Sounds like you're Grandfather did what he wanted to do in the end & that, as hard as it may be to understand, was his choice & I'm sure you respected that.
You yourself said the game changed...what changed in Android after the iPhone. How many similarities do you see. You seem to have a different idea of what copying is. How about a little too heavily influenced by. Is that better?
I see the shift to an icon based OS over a menu driven one.
Other than that not a lot.
Yeah, there is always hope & where there is hope there are possiblities...but sometimes that's all you have. Sometimes reality is quite different. Some people do well others don't. Sounds like you're Grandfather did what he wanted to do in the end & that, as hard as it may be to understand, was his choice & I'm sure you respected that.
Yea that was the third time it came back and he decided at that point to just live and die as opposed to be sick and die. Very respectable decision.
Yea that was the third time it came back and he decided at that point to just live and die as opposed to be sick and die. Very respectable decision.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
This is the long list. Correction: really long list, but if you actually go through it you get reminded of features iOS (and other mobile OSes) didn't initially have that you now take for granted. Funny how technology changes your expectations so quickly and with little option to turn back.
What about mult-touch on a hand held device, an accelerometer in the phone that opened other things too happen. the UI & all the thought that went into that. To make it easier to navigate a phone. Visual voicemail. what Apple did with the maps application & accessing phone numbers as links. This is just a short list.
Accelerometer on a phone wasn't an Apple first thing. Besides it's one of the things that make sense to use (in retrospect yes but still). Android UI isn't like iOS. UX definitely isn't. Visual Voicemail never belonged to Apple (and until 4.0 wasn't part of Android) Maps? I dont get that one. And autohyperlinking is a patent I don't agree with.
What do you mean by making it easier to navigate a phone?
Funny how technology changes your expectations so quickly and with little option to turn back.
That's my main point. Tech always advanced quickly and by building off each other. Why is it different now?
As for everything else u said. Do me a favor tell me what exactly Android slavishly stole from iOS. A bullet point list preferably. No one seems to be able to do that.
This article on the Apple-HTC suit lists many things in Android allegedly/slavishly stolen by Google. Scroll down get to see the bullet point list.
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news...er-20-patents/
Just put him on you ignore list, like I did. Replying to him just means I get to see his tripe.
Thanks for the tip. I didn't know there was such a thing. I have now blocked the childish posters!
Thanks for the tip. I didn't know there was such a thing. I have now blocked the childish posters!
Your list will grow.
This article on the Apple-HTC suit lists many things in Android allegedly/slavishly stolen by Google. Scroll down get to see the bullet point list.
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news...er-20-patents/
And all but two were thrown out. And even those two are up for further review. Sooo.
Then again you probably ignored me just like the rest of those who don't care for dissenting opinions.
I see the shift to an icon based OS over a menu driven one.
What does that actually mean? Do you have some examples?
What does that actually mean? Do you have some examples?
I would say bbOS is more menu driven whereas webos would be more icon driven. Even then it's moreso a description of the main homepage as behind that all oses are menu driven.
I'm sure those aren't the proper terms for the OS types but that's how I refer to them.
I don't think they did have a paradigm shifting idea. Or at least nothing as groundbreaking as iOS. My thing is that people seem genuinely upset that companies shifted focus after something changed the game.
I'm saying iOS and Android are different were created at the same time and as stock look and work differently.
I'm saying that Android saw iOS realized what they had at the time was no longer up to par so they had to modify the OS accordingly hence android 1.0.
I'm saying that doing such is perfectly acceptable I'm business as long as inspiration is not copying (G1 vs Galaxy S in my previous post)
Android has a lot of great ideas. None as groundbreaking as the original (and second) iPhone.
But it isn't a copy and no one can tell me how it is a copy.
If a bunch of forum posters on the net could provide proof then google would have been sued a long time ago.
The evidence is pretty apparent, just not enough to let Apple take on Google and know they will win. They learned that lesson verses Microsoft.
The Fact that Google had access to the Apple tech that went into the iOS, the fact that they had a high ranking member with access to this information, and that they were cloning the Black berry before this is proof enough to any logical person.
Google probably had their plans to clone already in order just waiting to see how well the iPhone did.
Just because it's not strong enough to make it in court does not meant that google did not steal.
Does that mean any and all things Apple claims are true? No. Does that mean Droids have not given one or two good things to the market? No. But the Droid OS is an empty and hollow clone of iOS and before that of the Black Berry OS. It's not competition it does little to change or improve the market by way of innovation.
iPhone showed us what we really wanted in our smart phones and google simply said "I can do it half as well for half the price." They added in the notifications screen.
I hate to say it, but I really hope the windows Mobile environment takes off. I have played with it over the weekend a bit and it's not that bad. I like iOS better, but at least this has a feel to it that is a strong base and not just a hollow empty copy of what Apple does. I welcome this, I hope it gives Apple a run for it's money so that we see real innovation, not just thinner phones with bigger screens.
If a bunch of forum posters on the net could provide proof then google would have been sued a long time ago.
The evidence is pretty apparent, just not enough to let Apple take on Google and know they will win. They learned that lesson verses Microsoft.
The Fact that Google had access to the Apple tech that went into the iOS, the fact that they had a high ranking member with access to this information, and that they were cloning the Black berry before this is proof enough to any logical person.
Google probably had their plans to clone already in order just waiting to see how well the iPhone did.
Just because it's not strong enough to make it in court does not meant that google did not steal.
Does that mean any and all things Apple claims are true? No. Does that mean Droids have not given one or two good things to the market? No. But the Droid OS is an empty and hollow clone of iOS and before that of the Black Berry OS. It's not competition it does little to change or improve the market by way of innovation.
iPhone showed us what we really wanted in our smart phones and google simply said "I can do it half as well for half the price." They added in the notifications screen.
I hate to say it, but I really hope the windows Mobile environment takes off. I have played with it over the weekend a bit and it's not that bad. I like iOS better, but at least this has a feel to it that is a strong base and not just a hollow empty copy of what Apple does. I welcome this, I hope it gives Apple a run for it's money so that we see real innovation, not just thinner phones with bigger screens.
So you just make stuff up and stick that small very unlikely possibility at the top of the likely list?
Android was always hardware agnostic BTW it was never meant for just one form factor. Hence being based in Java and the dalvik vm.
So you just make stuff up and stick that small very unlikely possibility at the top of the likely list?
Android was always hardware agnostic BTW it was never meant for just one form factor. Hence being based in Java and the dalvik vm.
Droid was meant for the basic Button controlled interface, with a set number of control buttons. outside of the keyboard BBs buttons scheme was pretty basic The same phone controlling buttons we have seen on a thousand other phones before it. I doubt Droid was thinking of multi touch when it was building to ape the Black Berry. Droid was always meant to be a clone, never anything original.
Once again if the facts to prove it were so blatant that anyone could just list them out Droid would never have made it to market. However you can keep asking for proof that you know is not so easy to obtain and claim that it proves you're correct. Thinking you are so smart when in the end your argument is just hollow like the Droid.
Droid was meant for the basic Button controlled interface, with a set number of control buttons. outside of the keyboard BBs buttons scheme was pretty basic The same phone controlling buttons we have seen on a thousand other phones before it. I doubt Droid was thinking of multi touch when it was building to ape the Black Berry. Droid was always meant to be a clone, never anything original.
Once again if the facts to prove it were so blatant that anyone could just list them out Droid would never have made it to market. However you can keep asking for proof that you know is not so easy to obtain and claim that it proves you're correct. Thinking you are so smart when in the end you are just hollow like the Droid.
So let me get this straight.
You admit it can't be proven that it was stolen. Yet it must be?
Why?
Also why must people not adapt to paradigm shifts in a market? Should Microsoft have kept the old windows mobile paradigm because we all know windows phone OS wouldn't exist without iOS (and Android) being in existence.
Tell me what you personally find (based on your extensive usage) the same in both Android and iOS that is so blatant so obvious that it is stolen.
I use both daily. (iPad 2 and G2X) how about you?