Tech media is often very uneducated. This media forms the minds of most tech users.
"Apple is closed. MSFT/Google is open".
"Viruses exist on PC because its the most popular platform".
"Apples antenna gate" "Apple uses slave labour".
"its normal to have a firewall on you phone"
As a security export I would never allow Android phones into my company. Apps are installed as Root on the devices without password.. This means that its impossible to make these devices secure. Unix/Linux have been secured, without spyware/viruses since 1960. It took Google to make it insecure.
Either Google needs to start to approve apps that are installed or the media should start to educate users. Something is fundamentally wrong when users are asked to have firewalls on their phones.
The last surveys done about Android phones are that over 5% are infected by spyware/malware. Over 12.5 million devices!
PC have 70%+ that are infected by Spyware/malware/viruses.
People need to know that is not acceptable or normal. Unix is as near 100% secure there is. In OSX viruses (that does not exist), spyware, malware, scare ware can only be installed with the user actively supplying the Root password. If users are so uneducated that they give programs admin password, there is nothing that can protect them.
Android is totally unsecure + Google is data mining everything since they make money on advertising. Apple/MSFT/Oracle/IBM don't need to data mine since they make their money from OS/hardware.
Facts
"Apple is closed. MSFT/Google is open".
Every single MSFT phone only works with WindowsOS. Every Android only work with Android. Just as open as iOS. Google have many app stores and many hardware vendors. That is not openness since you still are locked to using Android. Then we have every single Android vendor that adds its own customization to the Android device to lock them into that specific brand of Android. I can't switch from a HTC to a Samsung and transfer al my apps without problem = this not open.
No platform is open. Its just smoke and mirrors.
"Viruses exist on PC because its the most popular platform".
No. Viruses exist on PC since Windows is bad. Microsoft make their money on people having to upgrade their OS every 24 month. Since Microsoft have a monopoly on OS for non Apple machines they have no incentive to make a good product. Make to good of a product and people won't upgrade. Add to that the root of almost all viruses: Internet Explorer that let program install without asking the users. That every windows had ISS installed by default and was wide open and that people used Outlook/Exchange. These 3 programs are the reason for almost all virus. Windows is also totally wrong programmed since a user have to be administrator to be able to use all programs/install them. On real computers people SU to administrator during the installation process of a program, but the rest of the time you are an ordinary user.
"Apples antenna gate"
All phones have antennas. If you cover them with your fingers, the signal quality will drop. The problem with Apple was that they marked exactly where the antenna was. BTW. AT&Ts problem in US with their 3G net is because they only use 1/3 of the cell density that they should use. I know, since I worked as security chief non PC for the company that delivered most of the cell towers.
"Apple uses slave labour"
Exact the same factory that Dell, HP and other companies use. Never that you hear that they use slave labour. Media hates Apples success since they don't understand it.
"its normal to have a firewall on you phone"
No. If you are allowing people to install program without password the programs needs to be monitored/approved. Without that, the platform can never technically be secure.
BTW. "Apple is doomed, their stuff is to expensive"
Every week I read many experts and analyst say this. But the same analyst never complains that BMW is more expensive then Skoda. The fact is that Apple last years have done things so cheaply that "PC" have problem to compete on price. Just look at tablets/ultrabooks. Sure. You can sell millions of Tablets with a huge loss, but never at the same price as Apple and actually make money.
"The company appears to be backing out of the Mac OS X Server business ... Steve Jobs, who enjoyed the luxury of being able to develop custom IT solutions at Pixar, NeXT and within Apple as he turned the company around."
This begs the question - In Apple's "custom" IT solution at Cupertino, what do they run in the backend? I'm not thinking of the iCloud servers, but rather servers for their in-house network. I'm presuming it's still Mac OS?
This begs the question - In Apple's "custom" IT solution at Cupertino, what do they run in the backend? I'm not thinking of the iCloud servers, but rather servers for their in-house network. I'm presuming it's still Mac OS?
Probably anything and everything. You can see a variety of implementations on the various Apple websites. You will see some jsp which probably isn't running Mac OS X. There was even some Coldfusion running on one. I also saw some that were likely running Rails. Could be Mac or Linux. I don't think they standardized on Mac Servers but likely do have plenty of them. They make Windows software and Exchange compatible apps so Windows server would be required for that. I would be willing to bet there are a fair amount of Oracle/Solaris databases deployed as well.
Probably anything and everything. You can see a variety of implementations on the various Apple websites. You will see some jsp which probably isn't running Mac OS X. There was even some Coldfusion running on one. I also saw some that were likely running Rails. Could be Mac or Linux. I don't think they standardized on Mac Servers but likely do have plenty of them. They make Windows software and Exchange compatible apps so Windows server would be required for that. I would be willing to bet there are a fair amount of Oracle/Solaris databases deployed as well.
I think Oracle 10g is available on Mac OS X. But I can see good reasons a more true-blue Unix server or Linux server would be better. You think it'd be Solaris? This is logical after Oracle's acquisition of Sun. But Apple's use of Oracle predated that. What would be a *natural* Linux strain for Apple? And would they have abandoned that for Solaris after the Oracle acquisition because of friendship between Jobs and Ellison?
I think Oracle 10g is available on Mac OS X. But I can see good reasons a more true-blue Unix server or Linux server would be better. You think it'd be Solaris? This is logical after Oracle's acquisition of Sun. But Apple's use of Oracle predated that. What would be a *natural* Linux strain for Apple? And would they have abandoned that for Solaris after the Oracle acquisition because of friendship between Jobs and Ellison?
You think Apple uses Exchange for internal email?
I have no idea because I am not inside Apple... Let's consider their accounting platform first.
Good odds the master financial platform is Oracle. Mas90, SAP, MS not likely. Maybe QuickBooks since Steve was friends with Intuit CEO Being friends doesn't really factor in when you are making business purchasing decisions concerning major computer platforms so being friends with Larry is a very minor consideration IMO. But Oracle is best run on Oracle Solaris hardware and software, again in my opinion.
LOL on the Linux *strain* It is not a virus. Maybe distro, flavor, version. Probably RedHat since Apple usually goes first class, professional all the way. Not that the others aren't great too but RH has the infrastructure and is not IBM.
[...] Unlike Apple however, Google has not focused on delivering robust support for a set of features that are important to corporate users. Android still lacks the ability to connect to IPSec VPNs and has spotty support for Exchange Server. More importantly however, Android lacks strong support for management tools that corporate users can employ to monitor, manage and police the enforcement of their desired policies. [...]
If Google cared that Android had sub-par enterprise-level security and management tools, they would have worked hard to fix it ASAP. They obviously haven't, after 4 major versions of Android. It's obvious that the enterprise market isn't important enough for them to do the work.
And why isn't the enterprise market important to Google? Because Google only cares how many eyeballs see ads on Android. 96% of Google's revenue comes from ads, and it doesn't matter whether their mobile ads are served up on personal devices or employer-provided devices. The ad metrics are all Google cares about.
I wouldn't be surprised if corporate IT managers told Google that a "kill all ads" setting was mandatory, along with IPSec, Exchange Server support etc. before they could consider deploying Android devices in their companies. And of course, Google wouldn't want that. They'd expend all that effort on designing, coding, testing, and supporting security, VPN, and Exchange and get no ad revenue from it. A lose-lose proposition for them.
So instead they're just punting. They don't care about corporate customers, so corporate customers are ignoring them.
They don't care about corporate customers, so corporate customers are ignoring them.
Google does care about corporate customers which is why they have put a lot of effort into their office compatible Google docs and GMail projects. The amount of email that corporate users send is huge and Google wants that email to go through them. Maybe they are holding out for the bring your own device to take root, hoping IT managers will relax their standards about personal phones in the workplace.
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland. We currently made a large purchase of Android tablets over the last two months. We found the Android platform to be more compatible to our infrastructure and programming languages. Not to mention mounting network drives is a breeze, plus a file manager is a must.
Since the Android programming language is very similar to Java we were able to export many of our trading tools and trade monitors very quickly. The Bloomberg terminal also has many api's available for it that we can use with Android that are just not available for iOS. We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others use custom software on Android tablets.
Android is also open giving us the ability to rewrite the start page with a LDAP Oracle login. Something that was impossible with the iOS. The open OS also allows us to lock down or remove functions in the settings panel, such as only allowing our intranet network to be used.
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software. Android is just the better platform for companies wanting to make custom solutions in house. Which is mostly every large corporation in the world including governments.
We also deploy iPads as well, the sales division and our executives prefer them. All though we do have a large request for those Asus Sliders, the tablets with the built in keyboard. They are becoming very popular in every division.
Google does care about corporate customers which is why they have put a lot of effort into their office compatible Google docs and GMail projects. The amount of email that corporate users send is huge and Google wants that email to go through them. Maybe they are holding out for the bring your own device to take root, hoping IT managers will relax their standards about personal phones in the workplace.
Not only do they care but they have been so helpful in customizing Android 3.2 for our infrastructure. They have awesome corporate service as long as you are willing to pay. I think Android will be the tablet OS of choice for many large companies and governments in the future.
I love my using my iPad for music creation and games and I would never replace it as my home tablet. As far as work goes tbough I prefer using my Android hybrid tablet its more like a PC and most of my co-workers feel the same. So why cant both platforms exist, Apple for the consumer side and Android for the corporate. Why does the Apple iPad have to do everything well.
For the majority of businesses that allow iOS within their walls it is done either out of a need for the iPad or pressure from management to allow.
My company (think top 50 global) allowed iphone only to connect to a webserver and is bringing in iPad2 for marketing (good fit). It is not allowed inside the main firewall. That is currently allowed only to RIM and corporate pc's.
That was a push from 2010 and 2011.
However, due to the prolific expansion into use by management and business professionals, they are bring Android devices (2.3.5+ phones, 4.0+ tablets) into the fold this year.
The big driver appears to be time.
Apple has had about a year longer to integrate into the business mind than Android.
With the wealth of great devices and LTE it is surpassing iOS in this arena for personal devices.
Win8 - will likely be a game changer but notnlikely till 2014 - most corporate IT plans a year in advance.
The big unkown: what will the next gen iphone bring if the design change is revolutionary, not evolutionary.
I had two iPhones stolen. One abroad and one in my country. Both with find my iPhone installed. Abroad I had data roaming switched off (thank you data roaming fees) and no wifi connection at the moment of the theft. In the other instance simply bad reception, but fully functional data connection on my country network.
Both times I immediately fired up find my iPhone, phones didn't appear. I remotely wiped both. They still have to surface on the network. And it happened by the end of September 2011...
The one stolen abroad was sim locked to my country carrier. But accessing a wifi network would be possible.
My guess? Airplane mode immediately: then custom install or jailbreak of some sorts in order to reinstall it as e new iPhone without it phoning Apple's servers.
Thank you EFF and the like. You and your wonderful tinkerers just made a great innovation in phone security utterly useless.
Besides the phone I had some personal data stored on it. No, no login password, because I hate it, and i figured that I could always immediately add one (which I did before the remote wipe command was sent) in the event a phone got stolen.
In the meantime I now have to type a f password just to check on an SMS on my phone. Which means, all in all, between calls, mails, SMS, apps (use it for work) 50 to 100 passwords a day.
Find my iPhone is just a show off. People have figured how a way to circumvent it.
Airplane mode being the easiest. I am not aware if a pw locked phone can, if you bring it to a basement with no reception, be hacked easily. But I don't want to know. 2 iPhones stolen is the maximum I can take. (FYI I have the iPhone since version one. It was just bad luck (add a f bast... To that)
This is an extreme example. Not everyone who steals a phone is a jail breaker, considering there are few out there in comparison to the everyday user and thief.
I know for a fact the guy who stole my iPhone used it to watch "UP" on Netflix. After that I finally got to the Apple Store to have it wiped. He said it was just an iPod Touch now, without anything but the basic apps.
However, due to the prolific expansion into use by management and business professionals, they are bring Android devices (2.3.5+ phones, 4.0+ tablets) into the fold this year.
We're doing the same, their was a huge exodus from RIM in November and December. Everyone now has either the Samsung Galaxy SII or the Samsung Galaxy Note as their smart phone. We tested the iPhone and WP7 before coming to that conclusion. The iPhone was to exspensive and to depended on iTunes for updates so that was a no brainer but the WP7 devices were defiantly on top of our list. We came to the same conclusion you guys did not ready till 2013 or 2014. So we all got Android phones which I have to say wasn't a bad idea. I really like my new Galaxy Note. So much so I also replaced my Apple iPhone 4 when my contract was up but I only got a one year so i can get a iPhone 5 when that's released.
We're doing the same, their was a huge exodus from RIM in November and December. Everyone now has either the Samsung Galaxy SII or the Samsung Galaxy Note as their smart phone. We tested the iPhone and WP7 before coming to that conclusion. The iPhone was to exspensive and to depended on iTunes for updates so that was a no brainer but the WP7 devices were defiantly on top of our list. We came to the same conclusion you guys did not ready till 2013 or 2014. So we all got Android phones which I have to say wasn't a bad idea. I really like my new Galaxy Note. So much so I also replaced my Apple iPhone 4 when my contract was up but I only got a one year so i can get a iPhone 5 when that's released.
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
Good points. I was also wondering how his iPhone 4 contract was already up. Maybe they offered a one year in Switzerland. I don't know I guess it is possible. in the US the two year contracts begin expiring this coming June.
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
Yes internally at work.
Yes the IT department knew of the iTunes limitation but the upper brass still requested the iPhone to be added in the testing lot. We obliged of course.
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps. There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you. This platform is new to us and we will learn as we go. We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers. The exchange server is also not on the internal network.
At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
Good points. I was also wondering how his iPhone 4 contract was already up. Maybe they offered a one year in Switzerland. I don't know I guess it is possible. in the US the two year contracts begin expiring this coming June.
We have one year contacts for all phones its the law. Check it out for yourself go to www.orange.ch or www.swisscom.ch or www.sunrise.ch. The sites can be changed to English. We also have unlimited internet as a feature. You guys have LTE though but who cares if the iPhone can't use it right.
Go to this link to check out the one year contract.
Tell us when (if) it happens. I can't take anyone seriously who throws out a developmental, untested solution and says "Once this becomes mainstream".
Frankly, I'd be surprised if any IT department would want to mess with such a clumsy solution. Especially given that one of the bigger concerns about Android is that even a phone that's fully controlled by IT has huge security risks. A phone that's half open would be even worse.
You can choose to ignore emerging technology (like many fanboys) or you can be in the thick of it and realize there's more to the world than Apple. It is attitudes like yours (and Apple's) that allowed Android to take over the iPhone market share almost overnight. On second thought, keep it up!
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
In most countries, the opposit is true. In the UK, an unlocked 8GB iPhone 4 will cost you £429, a 16 GB 4S will cost £499. An unlocked Galaxy Note will cost you £610 (Source: CNET UK).
I have checked in many other countries (USA, Singapore, India) and found Galaxy Note to be more expensive than iPhones. In fact iPhones are more expensive than only the cheap crapdroids, not the better Androids from Samsung.
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"Apple is closed. MSFT/Google is open".
"Viruses exist on PC because its the most popular platform".
"Apples antenna gate" "Apple uses slave labour".
"its normal to have a firewall on you phone"
As a security export I would never allow Android phones into my company. Apps are installed as Root on the devices without password.. This means that its impossible to make these devices secure. Unix/Linux have been secured, without spyware/viruses since 1960. It took Google to make it insecure.
Either Google needs to start to approve apps that are installed or the media should start to educate users. Something is fundamentally wrong when users are asked to have firewalls on their phones.
The last surveys done about Android phones are that over 5% are infected by spyware/malware. Over 12.5 million devices!
PC have 70%+ that are infected by Spyware/malware/viruses.
People need to know that is not acceptable or normal. Unix is as near 100% secure there is. In OSX viruses (that does not exist), spyware, malware, scare ware can only be installed with the user actively supplying the Root password. If users are so uneducated that they give programs admin password, there is nothing that can protect them.
Android is totally unsecure + Google is data mining everything since they make money on advertising. Apple/MSFT/Oracle/IBM don't need to data mine since they make their money from OS/hardware.
Facts
"Apple is closed. MSFT/Google is open".
Every single MSFT phone only works with WindowsOS. Every Android only work with Android. Just as open as iOS. Google have many app stores and many hardware vendors. That is not openness since you still are locked to using Android. Then we have every single Android vendor that adds its own customization to the Android device to lock them into that specific brand of Android. I can't switch from a HTC to a Samsung and transfer al my apps without problem = this not open.
No platform is open. Its just smoke and mirrors.
"Viruses exist on PC because its the most popular platform".
No. Viruses exist on PC since Windows is bad. Microsoft make their money on people having to upgrade their OS every 24 month. Since Microsoft have a monopoly on OS for non Apple machines they have no incentive to make a good product. Make to good of a product and people won't upgrade. Add to that the root of almost all viruses: Internet Explorer that let program install without asking the users. That every windows had ISS installed by default and was wide open and that people used Outlook/Exchange. These 3 programs are the reason for almost all virus. Windows is also totally wrong programmed since a user have to be administrator to be able to use all programs/install them. On real computers people SU to administrator during the installation process of a program, but the rest of the time you are an ordinary user.
"Apples antenna gate"
All phones have antennas. If you cover them with your fingers, the signal quality will drop. The problem with Apple was that they marked exactly where the antenna was. BTW. AT&Ts problem in US with their 3G net is because they only use 1/3 of the cell density that they should use. I know, since I worked as security chief non PC for the company that delivered most of the cell towers.
"Apple uses slave labour"
Exact the same factory that Dell, HP and other companies use. Never that you hear that they use slave labour. Media hates Apples success since they don't understand it.
"its normal to have a firewall on you phone"
No. If you are allowing people to install program without password the programs needs to be monitored/approved. Without that, the platform can never technically be secure.
BTW. "Apple is doomed, their stuff is to expensive"
Every week I read many experts and analyst say this. But the same analyst never complains that BMW is more expensive then Skoda. The fact is that Apple last years have done things so cheaply that "PC" have problem to compete on price. Just look at tablets/ultrabooks. Sure. You can sell millions of Tablets with a huge loss, but never at the same price as Apple and actually make money.
This begs the question - In Apple's "custom" IT solution at Cupertino, what do they run in the backend? I'm not thinking of the iCloud servers, but rather servers for their in-house network. I'm presuming it's still Mac OS?
This begs the question - In Apple's "custom" IT solution at Cupertino, what do they run in the backend? I'm not thinking of the iCloud servers, but rather servers for their in-house network. I'm presuming it's still Mac OS?
Probably anything and everything. You can see a variety of implementations on the various Apple websites. You will see some jsp which probably isn't running Mac OS X. There was even some Coldfusion running on one. I also saw some that were likely running Rails. Could be Mac or Linux. I don't think they standardized on Mac Servers but likely do have plenty of them. They make Windows software and Exchange compatible apps so Windows server would be required for that. I would be willing to bet there are a fair amount of Oracle/Solaris databases deployed as well.
Probably anything and everything. You can see a variety of implementations on the various Apple websites. You will see some jsp which probably isn't running Mac OS X. There was even some Coldfusion running on one. I also saw some that were likely running Rails. Could be Mac or Linux. I don't think they standardized on Mac Servers but likely do have plenty of them. They make Windows software and Exchange compatible apps so Windows server would be required for that. I would be willing to bet there are a fair amount of Oracle/Solaris databases deployed as well.
I think Oracle 10g is available on Mac OS X. But I can see good reasons a more true-blue Unix server or Linux server would be better. You think it'd be Solaris? This is logical after Oracle's acquisition of Sun. But Apple's use of Oracle predated that. What would be a *natural* Linux strain for Apple? And would they have abandoned that for Solaris after the Oracle acquisition because of friendship between Jobs and Ellison?
You think Apple uses Exchange for internal email?
I think Oracle 10g is available on Mac OS X. But I can see good reasons a more true-blue Unix server or Linux server would be better. You think it'd be Solaris? This is logical after Oracle's acquisition of Sun. But Apple's use of Oracle predated that. What would be a *natural* Linux strain for Apple? And would they have abandoned that for Solaris after the Oracle acquisition because of friendship between Jobs and Ellison?
You think Apple uses Exchange for internal email?
I have no idea because I am not inside Apple... Let's consider their accounting platform first.
Good odds the master financial platform is Oracle. Mas90, SAP, MS not likely. Maybe QuickBooks since Steve was friends with Intuit CEO
LOL on the Linux *strain* It is not a virus. Maybe distro, flavor, version. Probably RedHat since Apple usually goes first class, professional all the way. Not that the others aren't great too but RH has the infrastructure and is not IBM.
[...] Unlike Apple however, Google has not focused on delivering robust support for a set of features that are important to corporate users. Android still lacks the ability to connect to IPSec VPNs and has spotty support for Exchange Server. More importantly however, Android lacks strong support for management tools that corporate users can employ to monitor, manage and police the enforcement of their desired policies. [...]
If Google cared that Android had sub-par enterprise-level security and management tools, they would have worked hard to fix it ASAP. They obviously haven't, after 4 major versions of Android. It's obvious that the enterprise market isn't important enough for them to do the work.
And why isn't the enterprise market important to Google? Because Google only cares how many eyeballs see ads on Android. 96% of Google's revenue comes from ads, and it doesn't matter whether their mobile ads are served up on personal devices or employer-provided devices. The ad metrics are all Google cares about.
I wouldn't be surprised if corporate IT managers told Google that a "kill all ads" setting was mandatory, along with IPSec, Exchange Server support etc. before they could consider deploying Android devices in their companies. And of course, Google wouldn't want that. They'd expend all that effort on designing, coding, testing, and supporting security, VPN, and Exchange and get no ad revenue from it. A lose-lose proposition for them.
So instead they're just punting. They don't care about corporate customers, so corporate customers are ignoring them.
They don't care about corporate customers, so corporate customers are ignoring them.
Google does care about corporate customers which is why they have put a lot of effort into their office compatible Google docs and GMail projects. The amount of email that corporate users send is huge and Google wants that email to go through them. Maybe they are holding out for the bring your own device to take root, hoping IT managers will relax their standards about personal phones in the workplace.
Since the Android programming language is very similar to Java we were able to export many of our trading tools and trade monitors very quickly. The Bloomberg terminal also has many api's available for it that we can use with Android that are just not available for iOS. We got the idea from our American offices as the NYSE, CBOE, NASDAQ and many others use custom software on Android tablets.
Android is also open giving us the ability to rewrite the start page with a LDAP Oracle login. Something that was impossible with the iOS. The open OS also allows us to lock down or remove functions in the settings panel, such as only allowing our intranet network to be used.
I'm sure their are apps that can do some of the things we need but USB prefers to use custom software. Android is just the better platform for companies wanting to make custom solutions in house. Which is mostly every large corporation in the world including governments.
We also deploy iPads as well, the sales division and our executives prefer them. All though we do have a large request for those Asus Sliders, the tablets with the built in keyboard. They are becoming very popular in every division.
Google does care about corporate customers which is why they have put a lot of effort into their office compatible Google docs and GMail projects. The amount of email that corporate users send is huge and Google wants that email to go through them. Maybe they are holding out for the bring your own device to take root, hoping IT managers will relax their standards about personal phones in the workplace.
Not only do they care but they have been so helpful in customizing Android 3.2 for our infrastructure. They have awesome corporate service as long as you are willing to pay. I think Android will be the tablet OS of choice for many large companies and governments in the future.
I love my using my iPad for music creation and games and I would never replace it as my home tablet. As far as work goes tbough I prefer using my Android hybrid tablet its more like a PC and most of my co-workers feel the same. So why cant both platforms exist, Apple for the consumer side and Android for the corporate. Why does the Apple iPad have to do everything well.
My company (think top 50 global) allowed iphone only to connect to a webserver and is bringing in iPad2 for marketing (good fit). It is not allowed inside the main firewall. That is currently allowed only to RIM and corporate pc's.
That was a push from 2010 and 2011.
However, due to the prolific expansion into use by management and business professionals, they are bring Android devices (2.3.5+ phones, 4.0+ tablets) into the fold this year.
The big driver appears to be time.
Apple has had about a year longer to integrate into the business mind than Android.
With the wealth of great devices and LTE it is surpassing iOS in this arena for personal devices.
Win8 - will likely be a game changer but notnlikely till 2014 - most corporate IT plans a year in advance.
The big unkown: what will the next gen iphone bring if the design change is revolutionary, not evolutionary.
Will be interesting
Agreed. But the wonderful jailbreak guys...
I had two iPhones stolen. One abroad and one in my country. Both with find my iPhone installed. Abroad I had data roaming switched off (thank you data roaming fees) and no wifi connection at the moment of the theft. In the other instance simply bad reception, but fully functional data connection on my country network.
Both times I immediately fired up find my iPhone, phones didn't appear. I remotely wiped both. They still have to surface on the network. And it happened by the end of September 2011...
The one stolen abroad was sim locked to my country carrier. But accessing a wifi network would be possible.
My guess? Airplane mode immediately: then custom install or jailbreak of some sorts in order to reinstall it as e new iPhone without it phoning Apple's servers.
Thank you EFF and the like. You and your wonderful tinkerers just made a great innovation in phone security utterly useless.
Besides the phone I had some personal data stored on it. No, no login password, because I hate it, and i figured that I could always immediately add one (which I did before the remote wipe command was sent) in the event a phone got stolen.
In the meantime I now have to type a f password just to check on an SMS on my phone. Which means, all in all, between calls, mails, SMS, apps (use it for work) 50 to 100 passwords a day.
Find my iPhone is just a show off. People have figured how a way to circumvent it.
Airplane mode being the easiest. I am not aware if a pw locked phone can, if you bring it to a basement with no reception, be hacked easily. But I don't want to know. 2 iPhones stolen is the maximum I can take. (FYI I have the iPhone since version one. It was just bad luck (add a f bast... To that)
This is an extreme example. Not everyone who steals a phone is a jail breaker, considering there are few out there in comparison to the everyday user and thief.
I know for a fact the guy who stole my iPhone used it to watch "UP" on Netflix. After that I finally got to the Apple Store to have it wiped. He said it was just an iPod Touch now, without anything but the basic apps.
That was a push from 2010 and 2011.
However, due to the prolific expansion into use by management and business professionals, they are bring Android devices (2.3.5+ phones, 4.0+ tablets) into the fold this year.
We're doing the same, their was a huge exodus from RIM in November and December. Everyone now has either the Samsung Galaxy SII or the Samsung Galaxy Note as their smart phone. We tested the iPhone and WP7 before coming to that conclusion. The iPhone was to exspensive and to depended on iTunes for updates so that was a no brainer but the WP7 devices were defiantly on top of our list. We came to the same conclusion you guys did not ready till 2013 or 2014. So we all got Android phones which I have to say wasn't a bad idea. I really like my new Galaxy Note. So much so I also replaced my Apple iPhone 4 when my contract was up but I only got a one year so i can get a iPhone 5 when that's released.
We're doing the same, their was a huge exodus from RIM in November and December. Everyone now has either the Samsung Galaxy SII or the Samsung Galaxy Note as their smart phone. We tested the iPhone and WP7 before coming to that conclusion. The iPhone was to exspensive and to depended on iTunes for updates so that was a no brainer but the WP7 devices were defiantly on top of our list. We came to the same conclusion you guys did not ready till 2013 or 2014. So we all got Android phones which I have to say wasn't a bad idea. I really like my new Galaxy Note. So much so I also replaced my Apple iPhone 4 when my contract was up but I only got a one year so i can get a iPhone 5 when that's released.
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
Good points. I was also wondering how his iPhone 4 contract was already up. Maybe they offered a one year in Switzerland. I don't know I guess it is possible. in the US the two year contracts begin expiring this coming June.
A lot of your comments don't add up so please clarify.
1) You say "everyone" so this is something you tested internally for work?
2) You tested all this but were unaware about upgrading iOS from the device sans iTunes.
3) You think the iPhone is too expensive but are claiming the Galaxy Note is not too expensive despite costing more?
4) You did no testing or assessment of costs and effort to prevent security issues, rogue app updates, installs, etc.?
Yes internally at work.
Yes the IT department knew of the iTunes limitation but the upper brass still requested the iPhone to be added in the testing lot. We obliged of course.
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
We are aware of most security flaws but since Samsung has released the source code for their phones we were able to remove the market app and the function to install any foreign apps. There is a list of pre- approved apps that can be installed and if you want an additional app all you have to do is make a request and the IT department will install it for you. This platform is new to us and we will learn as we go. We are also working closely with Google to assure we have the best security solution possible, this includes virus checkers. The exchange server is also not on the internal network.
At the end of the day we loved the open OS and the ease at which we were able to adapt current network.
Good points. I was also wondering how his iPhone 4 contract was already up. Maybe they offered a one year in Switzerland. I don't know I guess it is possible. in the US the two year contracts begin expiring this coming June.
We have one year contacts for all phones its the law. Check it out for yourself go to www.orange.ch or www.swisscom.ch or www.sunrise.ch. The sites can be changed to English. We also have unlimited internet as a feature. You guys have LTE though but who cares if the iPhone can't use it right.
Go to this link to check out the one year contract.
shop.swisscom.ch/onlineshop/Pages/ProductConfig/ProductConfig.aspx?cat=OS_iphone4s&lang=EN&int-campID=BI_OS_IP4S__IP4SVORBE_SON&id=00000000001005 0234
As I stated in another thread the other day I work for USB in Switzerland.
I've not heard of your company, what does it do?
Do you have a web link?
Tell us when (if) it happens. I can't take anyone seriously who throws out a developmental, untested solution and says "Once this becomes mainstream".
Frankly, I'd be surprised if any IT department would want to mess with such a clumsy solution. Especially given that one of the bigger concerns about Android is that even a phone that's fully controlled by IT has huge security risks. A phone that's half open would be even worse.
You can choose to ignore emerging technology (like many fanboys) or you can be in the thick of it and realize there's more to the world than Apple. It is attitudes like yours (and Apple's) that allowed Android to take over the iPhone market share almost overnight. On second thought, keep it up!
You can choose to ignore emerging technology (like many fanboys) or you can be in the thick of it and realize there's more to the world than Apple.
That's ironic coming from somebody who posts only about Android with no mention of other systems like Windows Phone and Blackberry OS.
There's more to the world than just Android!
The Galaxy Note costs 480 chf per unit, the iPhone unlocked costs 720 chf. That was with discounts you can pick up the Galaxy Note at any shop here for 550 chf, 200 less then the iPhone. Check out this site www.digitec.ch, its a very computer shop. Apple iPhones are the most expensive phones.
In most countries, the opposit is true. In the UK, an unlocked 8GB iPhone 4 will cost you £429, a 16 GB 4S will cost £499. An unlocked Galaxy Note will cost you £610 (Source: CNET UK).
I have checked in many other countries (USA, Singapore, India) and found Galaxy Note to be more expensive than iPhones. In fact iPhones are more expensive than only the cheap crapdroids, not the better Androids from Samsung.