Lumia 900 owner: y u no leg me upgrade to Win phone 8?!?!?!
Elop: Oh your Lumia 900 will kinda look like Windows Phone 8 and that's really about it.
Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
The Lumia 900 is 6 months old (Jan 2012) and the only update it will ever get is a new skin. The 3Gs is a model first introduced in 2009 and will still get yet another update, making it supported by four OS versions (3, 4, 5, 6). There's a lot of changes in store, even for the 3Gs. How is yours an apt comparison? The iPhone 4s is older than Lumia 900 and will get a full update this year and another update next year, maybe even an update the year after that.
Seriously, this could kill sales of the current Nokia phones. Those customers who buy one now will be pissed.
No one will be buying Nokia phones. My guess is that they will most likely give them away. It will be interesting to see if MSFT chips in to help pay these bills. It might have been a tactic for MSFT to get to give these phones away to increase their market share. The other thing they could do is make sure anyone who buys this phone and gets any apps gets the app upgrade for free when they get a WP8 phone. Otherwise, you are right. New(as well as old)buyers will be mad.
As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Guess what, Microsoft has depreciated SilverLight on all plateform. WP8 and WP7.8 have the same basic UI, but under the hood you got 2 totally different OS here, WP7 still use WinCE. From my point of view WP7 and 7.5 appear to be a false start for Microsoft, they lost 3 years to restart they're dying WinCE platform only to scrap everything and restart a second time on NT kernel this time.
Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
Not sure what you are saying is true. Everything I have read on the internet, including a test of 7.8 on the 900 is that only the homescreen has changed so it has the same look. Not sure if the same "end user features" are the same. I highly doubt it.
Also, you are comparing the 3GS, 2 models ago and will be 3 by the time iOS6 is released to just the previous version of Win and hardware from MS and Nokia. Thus, the comparison would be the the 4S, when iOS 6 and the new iPhone is released not the 3GS. Thus, all of the features are supported to the previous hardware generation. The 4, which will be 2 prior generations, will get 3 of the 7 major features and the 3GS will get none. But that is the major features that require better hardware. The 3GS will still get plenty of other features like, Maps (Just not flyover or navigation), guided access, do not disturb, single app mode, face book integration, app updates no longer requiring a password, purchasing of apps no longer dumps you to the home screen and a host of other enhancements that were on the slide but not discussed at WWDC. Not just a new map icon and version number.
Apple is doing a FAR better job of it as I stated. Not sure if they are just claiming that the hardware can't support a feature. The issue could be as simple as the feature may run under this hardware but could cause a bad user experience by slowing the overall system down due to increased processing. Or it may tak a longer amount of time for the phone to process things like Siri commands. Or have other ramifications Apple had this happen in a previous update to iOS with older hardware. Might have been iOS2- iOS3. The other issue is while you are looking at the bare bones feature of lets say Siri today, you don't know what Apple has projected in development in the future. Thus, a device might be able to handle the initial "Beta" feature set of "Siri' with an iPhone 4 (in iOS5) but then might not have the processing power and speed to handle where Siri development was headed for in iOS6. You can't just take a feature away or you would have to fragment the feature across platforms.
I also have to think that if this was MS intention to kill the stock price of Nokia and swoop in and buy it in a fire-sale that there would be legal repercussions. Shareholders would be pissed and would sue. I would also believe that there has to be some language in the contract between MS and Nokia.
Yeah, I tend to agree. It SEEMS like MS set up some nice dominoes, but I say that more tongue-in-cheek. Even if they do buy Nokia (which seems possible, like Google with Motorola) I still don’t think there will be any evidence that the chain of events was intended for the sake of killing the price.
MS is pulling the rug out from under Windows Phone from now until December. The platform is already floundering. Now there will be even *less* reason for consumers to spend money on it. And what's the point, anyway? If consumers want a cheap, disposable phone that is iPhone-like without it being an iPhone, there's Android. If consumers want the "cool", Premium iPhone experience then they can get an iPhone.
What's the reason to get a Windows Phone? What is the point of this platform? It brings nothing really game-changing or killer to the table.
I'd like it if they made a serious attempt rather than just put something out there to have a product in public view.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Here's Microsoft method of doing business. First they try to screw Apple by practically copying the Mac GUI, but changed it enough to not be caught stealing it. THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs. THEN they now are talking about offering these so-called tablets to prevent their OEM partners from competing in what is unfair business practices because their OEM partners have to PAY Microsoft for the use of their OSs, but Microsoft does't pay a dime for it, plus Microsoft gets a competitive jump on the competition by showing their Windows 8 tablets way ahead of the Windows 8 release date. Now, all of the WIndows 7 phone users can't upgrade to Windows 8 and they just started selling these WIndows 7 phone not too long ago.
What next? So, Microsoft not only tries to screw over their competitors, but their business partners (of which Apple was a business partner) and now they are screwing their OEM partners, customers and everyone that they can think of.
I am surprised Microsoft is still one company and I am surprised if they don't have a flood of lawsuits hitting them.
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
Apple and MS pull a lot of the same stuff. In Apple's case. Sometimes their policies and tendencies are aggravating.
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When you buy an Apple device, you know that you will be set for at least some years ahead, receiving new OS updates in a timely fashion and keeping your devices up to date.
With these other companies, and especially Android phones, the manufacturers just don't give a shit. They make a million models a year, and after some sorry suckers buy them, these people are basically screwed. This is why the vast majority of Android users are still stuck on some old, ancient, shitty version of Android. Only a very tiny percentage of users actually use the newest, latest, OS. They keep flinging shit to a wall, to see what sticks.
This used to be true to some degree. In recent years they seem to support things as long as it's convenient to them. The original ipads didn't age that well if you wanted to stay on the latest IOS, but that's pretty typical with a first generation product. It will be interesting to see how the current model ages.
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Originally Posted by nealg
No one will be buying Nokia phones. My guess is that they will most likely give them away. It will be interesting to see if MSFT chips in to help pay these bills. It might have been a tactic for MSFT to get to give these phones away to increase their market share. The other thing they could do is make sure anyone who buys this phone and gets any apps gets the app upgrade for free when they get a WP8 phone. Otherwise, you are right. New(as well as old)buyers will be mad.
I saw a Lumia the other day. That was the first one I've seen in use.
If Apple put out iOS 6 next fall and said it wouldn't work on the iPhone 4S, there'd be a tech media meltdown and Apple will be skewered non-stop. Microsoft does the same thing and the Window's touts bend over and tell Ballmer to do it again. I guess if you're in the Windows eco-system, getting screwed is just the rule rather than the exception and so they get a free pass.
I've never understood the deference Microsoft seems to get in the industry as compared to Apple. For instance, Adobe might never have existed without Apple and desktop printing and photo manipulation. But for years, Adobe was clearly simply impatient for Apple to die. (When Apple announced it would license Display Postscript for their new "OSX", Adobe promptly killed it off- and how many years was it before there was even an OSX-native version of PS?)
When the record companies were crashing and burning from Napster-assisted piracy, Apple literally saved that industry - and they've never seemed to forgive Apple for it. They're constantly trying to prop up a competitor to take ITMS down a notch (or ideally, kill it altogether).
When the iPhone became a hit, Apple stood by AT+T's market-limiting exclusivity for years, much to AT+T's benefit. As soon as that finally ended, AT+T started vigorously pushing the competition's knock-off phones. As did Verizon, once they had the iPhone on board.
Yet every time Microsoft sucker-punches their "partners", (Plays-For-Sure? Whoops! Kin phones? Whoops! Lumia and Win Phone 7.x? Whoops and whoops again), the partners seem content to grab their ankles and say "Thank you sir! May I have another?"
I'm happy that I can keep my iPhone up to date with the latest iOS. But, steady on - not being able to update their OS is no deal-breaker for most people.
When Windows Phone 8 is released a Windows 7 phone will still do everything that it could when purchased. It is not 'obsolete' in any real sense other than for those obsessed with having the latest whatever.
The Android experience tells us that huge numbers of people still buy phones with outdated versions of the OS. Samsung sells loads, and does well out of it.
And when there are updates to Android available, many people are not that bothered about updating.
This is no biggie for Nokia, and I doubt it will effect sales much. Not that there are that many sales to be effected!
Why is anyone surprised? This is the way Android works, so the market apparently doesn't care. Heck, my daughter just got a new phone with Froyo (2.2) which was first released 2 years ago. The highest available upgrade is Gingerbread (2.3) which was released a year and a half ago. None of the OS versions released since then will work on the phone. My ex's new phone is the same.
If Android gets away with it with hardly any squawking, why should Microsoft do any differently?
I don't know if RIM phones are easy to upgrade, so I can't say if Apple is the ONLY one offering phone upgrades, but they're certainly relatively unusual in that.
More people will care than you think. Microsoft has promised upgrades, and so far, after a snafu in the beginning, they have delivered. Most Android users are oblivious, I've found.
Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
No it won't have "all the end user features of Win 8". It will have a similar UI, and a bit more, but that's it. Don't believe all the speculative article you read on the Internet. Microsoft didn't promise all those features. In the presentation, they promised little more than the UI.
We all know that a phone doesn't stop working after its been made obsolete as these have been. But that doesn't make people any happier. It will never get more than very minor updates after 7.8.
You are really stretching with desperation here. It's amusing.
So 2 years and at least 2 major version upgrades for the iPad. The Lumia didn't even make it a year before a newer version was announced - and NO upgrades were available.
It would be a bad idea for them to buy Nokia. Most of Nokia's business has nothing to do with smartphones. Microsoft would have to divest themselves of at least 75% of Nokia's business, and then what would they have left? Almost nothing! It would be better to just bring the brand to themselves, and send the manufacturing out to the contract companies. Nokia is shutting down most of its manufacturing and R&D anyway.
I'm happy that I can keep my iPhone up to date with the latest iOS. But, steady on - not being able to update their OS is no deal-breaker for most people.
When Windows Phone 8 is released a Windows 7 phone will still do everything that it could when purchased. It is not 'obsolete' in any real sense other than for those obsessed with having the latest whatever.
The Android experience tells us that huge numbers of people still buy phones with outdated versions of the OS. Samsung sells loads, and does well out of it.
And when there are updates to Android available, many people are not that bothered about updating.
This is no biggie for Nokia, and I doubt it will effect sales much. Not that there are that many sales to be effected!
When something is obsoleted, it doesn't mean that it stops working. What it means is that it can no longer work with the latest accessories, software, etc.
What happened here is a perfect example of obsolescence. Microsoft knew this would happen even before they released the first Win Phone in late 2010. Nokia knew this as well. And most likey, so did their other OEMs, such as Samsung.
There is no way that people can paint this in a good way for those who own the current phones. But Microsoft needed to do this, or Win Phone would just have died sometime next year.
I don't recall ever reading here that someone said that Nokia will never fail, can you provide some references?
There were a few, you among them, who used to argue vehemently about Nokia's place in the order of things. I remember those arguments. You found it almost impossible to believe that Apple's phone could displace Symbian phones as the number one or two smartphone line.
Now, saying "never" is a foolish thing. Even the universe will die someday. I'm not saying that you used that word, because we weren't talking about decades, but still...
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Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
This could very well be a move by Microsoft to get a bargain basement price on Nokia. (Even cheaper than Nokia's puny $8.87B current market cap.)
Here's a potential Microsoft acquisition plan:
1. Jerk Nokia around by threatening to not provide WP8 on anything before next year's Lumias.
2. Wait for the layoffs to happen, wait for the stock to hit rock bottom, wait for Nokia to prepare itself for acquisition.
3. Buy the company for just a few billion (and snipe at Google for over-paying at $12.5 billion for Motorola Mobiity.)
4. Put WP8 on the Lumia 900 after all, to give Nokia one final year of smartphone production.
5. Transition Nokia from making Lumias (and all those dumbphones) to making Surfaces.
The Lumia 900 is 6 months old (Jan 2012) and the only update it will ever get is a new skin. The 3Gs is a model first introduced in 2009 and will still get yet another update, making it supported by four OS versions (3, 4, 5, 6). There's a lot of changes in store, even for the 3Gs. How is yours an apt comparison? The iPhone 4s is older than Lumia 900 and will get a full update this year and another update next year, maybe even an update the year after that.
Doomed, I tell ya. DOOOOOOOOOOMED!
Seriously, this could kill sales of the current Nokia phones. Those customers who buy one now will be pissed.
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Doomed, I tell ya. DOOOOOOOOOOMED!
Seriously, this could kill sales of the current Nokia phones. Those customers who buy one now will be pissed.
No one will be buying Nokia phones. My guess is that they will most likely give them away. It will be interesting to see if MSFT chips in to help pay these bills. It might have been a tactic for MSFT to get to give these phones away to increase their market share. The other thing they could do is make sure anyone who buys this phone and gets any apps gets the app upgrade for free when they get a WP8 phone. Otherwise, you are right. New(as well as old)buyers will be mad.
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Originally Posted by benanderson89
As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Guess what, Microsoft has depreciated SilverLight on all plateform. WP8 and WP7.8 have the same basic UI, but under the hood you got 2 totally different OS here, WP7 still use WinCE. From my point of view WP7 and 7.5 appear to be a false start for Microsoft, they lost 3 years to restart they're dying WinCE platform only to scrap everything and restart a second time on NT kernel this time.
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Read the articles and technical details on the Internet a little better.
Windows phone 7.8 will have all the end user features of windows phone 8. Outside of that, it's all under the hood for better integration with Windows 8 and support for multi ore CPUs. As long as the app is not written in raw C or C++ it will run on both OSes since silver light and XNA are standardised frameworks for development in the windows world.
Apple's 3GS will be using iOS6, but guess what? All them tastey new features that make iOS 6 worth while are going to be on the 4s only. Hell, some features aren't even going to be on the 4! Those two systems will, basically, just get what they have now with version number++ and a different map icon. To keep all the end user features and app support across 7.8 and 8, MS is actually doing a better job at this than Apple.
Once wp8 comes out, the wp7 devices will come off the market. But the wp7 devices will still run the same apps, have the same core feature set and be updated on a regular basis. By the time WP7.8 is no longer supported, people with WP7 handsets will be getting an upgrade to their contract (if it's 2 year) or their contract would have already ended (18 month).
So, really, I do not see the problem with it all here, especially when Apple is doing a worse job at it and just claiming the hardware is incapable (which is clearly a lie).
Not sure what you are saying is true. Everything I have read on the internet, including a test of 7.8 on the 900 is that only the homescreen has changed so it has the same look. Not sure if the same "end user features" are the same. I highly doubt it.
Also, you are comparing the 3GS, 2 models ago and will be 3 by the time iOS6 is released to just the previous version of Win and hardware from MS and Nokia. Thus, the comparison would be the the 4S, when iOS 6 and the new iPhone is released not the 3GS. Thus, all of the features are supported to the previous hardware generation. The 4, which will be 2 prior generations, will get 3 of the 7 major features and the 3GS will get none. But that is the major features that require better hardware. The 3GS will still get plenty of other features like, Maps (Just not flyover or navigation), guided access, do not disturb, single app mode, face book integration, app updates no longer requiring a password, purchasing of apps no longer dumps you to the home screen and a host of other enhancements that were on the slide but not discussed at WWDC. Not just a new map icon and version number.
Apple is doing a FAR better job of it as I stated. Not sure if they are just claiming that the hardware can't support a feature. The issue could be as simple as the feature may run under this hardware but could cause a bad user experience by slowing the overall system down due to increased processing. Or it may tak a longer amount of time for the phone to process things like Siri commands. Or have other ramifications Apple had this happen in a previous update to iOS with older hardware. Might have been iOS2- iOS3. The other issue is while you are looking at the bare bones feature of lets say Siri today, you don't know what Apple has projected in development in the future. Thus, a device might be able to handle the initial "Beta" feature set of "Siri' with an iPhone 4 (in iOS5) but then might not have the processing power and speed to handle where Siri development was headed for in iOS6. You can't just take a feature away or you would have to fragment the feature across platforms.
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I also have to think that if this was MS intention to kill the stock price of Nokia and swoop in and buy it in a fire-sale that there would be legal repercussions. Shareholders would be pissed and would sue. I would also believe that there has to be some language in the contract between MS and Nokia.
Yeah, I tend to agree. It SEEMS like MS set up some nice dominoes, but I say that more tongue-in-cheek. Even if they do buy Nokia (which seems possible, like Google with Motorola) I still don’t think there will be any evidence that the chain of events was intended for the sake of killing the price.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
MS is pulling the rug out from under Windows Phone from now until December. The platform is already floundering. Now there will be even *less* reason for consumers to spend money on it. And what's the point, anyway? If consumers want a cheap, disposable phone that is iPhone-like without it being an iPhone, there's Android. If consumers want the "cool", Premium iPhone experience then they can get an iPhone.
What's the reason to get a Windows Phone? What is the point of this platform? It brings nothing really game-changing or killer to the table.
I'd like it if they made a serious attempt rather than just put something out there to have a product in public view.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Here's Microsoft method of doing business. First they try to screw Apple by practically copying the Mac GUI, but changed it enough to not be caught stealing it. THEN, they write contracts with their OEM partners to basically prevent them from offering the Mac Operating System on PCs. THEN they now are talking about offering these so-called tablets to prevent their OEM partners from competing in what is unfair business practices because their OEM partners have to PAY Microsoft for the use of their OSs, but Microsoft does't pay a dime for it, plus Microsoft gets a competitive jump on the competition by showing their Windows 8 tablets way ahead of the Windows 8 release date. Now, all of the WIndows 7 phone users can't upgrade to Windows 8 and they just started selling these WIndows 7 phone not too long ago.
What next? So, Microsoft not only tries to screw over their competitors, but their business partners (of which Apple was a business partner) and now they are screwing their OEM partners, customers and everyone that they can think of.
I am surprised Microsoft is still one company and I am surprised if they don't have a flood of lawsuits hitting them.
I'm glad I am Apple user. Apple wouldn't release a piece of hardware and then release a new operating system within a year that the hardware won't support. They wait a fair amount of time before they drop support on a hardware product with regards to OS updates. You may not get all of the functionality, but at least you can install it. I think Apple waits somewhere around 2 to 3 years before they drop OS support in terms of updating hardware products. Correct me if I am wrong. I know the Smartphone industry in general has been faster moving than the PC industry due to the very nature of the product, but within a year of releasing a product?
Apple and MS pull a lot of the same stuff. In Apple's case. Sometimes their policies and tendencies are aggravating.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
When you buy an Apple device, you know that you will be set for at least some years ahead, receiving new OS updates in a timely fashion and keeping your devices up to date.
With these other companies, and especially Android phones, the manufacturers just don't give a shit. They make a million models a year, and after some sorry suckers buy them, these people are basically screwed. This is why the vast majority of Android users are still stuck on some old, ancient, shitty version of Android. Only a very tiny percentage of users actually use the newest, latest, OS. They keep flinging shit to a wall, to see what sticks.
This used to be true to some degree. In recent years they seem to support things as long as it's convenient to them. The original ipads didn't age that well if you wanted to stay on the latest IOS, but that's pretty typical with a first generation product. It will be interesting to see how the current model ages.
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Originally Posted by nealg
No one will be buying Nokia phones. My guess is that they will most likely give them away. It will be interesting to see if MSFT chips in to help pay these bills. It might have been a tactic for MSFT to get to give these phones away to increase their market share. The other thing they could do is make sure anyone who buys this phone and gets any apps gets the app upgrade for free when they get a WP8 phone. Otherwise, you are right. New(as well as old)buyers will be mad.
I saw a Lumia the other day. That was the first one I've seen in use.
I've never understood the deference Microsoft seems to get in the industry as compared to Apple. For instance, Adobe might never have existed without Apple and desktop printing and photo manipulation. But for years, Adobe was clearly simply impatient for Apple to die. (When Apple announced it would license Display Postscript for their new "OSX", Adobe promptly killed it off- and how many years was it before there was even an OSX-native version of PS?)
When the record companies were crashing and burning from Napster-assisted piracy, Apple literally saved that industry - and they've never seemed to forgive Apple for it. They're constantly trying to prop up a competitor to take ITMS down a notch (or ideally, kill it altogether).
When the iPhone became a hit, Apple stood by AT+T's market-limiting exclusivity for years, much to AT+T's benefit. As soon as that finally ended, AT+T started vigorously pushing the competition's knock-off phones. As did Verizon, once they had the iPhone on board.
Yet every time Microsoft sucker-punches their "partners", (Plays-For-Sure? Whoops! Kin phones? Whoops! Lumia and Win Phone 7.x? Whoops and whoops again), the partners seem content to grab their ankles and say "Thank you sir! May I have another?"
I don't get it. Why do they all put up with this?
I'm happy that I can keep my iPhone up to date with the latest iOS. But, steady on - not being able to update their OS is no deal-breaker for most people.
When Windows Phone 8 is released a Windows 7 phone will still do everything that it could when purchased. It is not 'obsolete' in any real sense other than for those obsessed with having the latest whatever.
The Android experience tells us that huge numbers of people still buy phones with outdated versions of the OS. Samsung sells loads, and does well out of it.
And when there are updates to Android available, many people are not that bothered about updating.
This is no biggie for Nokia, and I doubt it will effect sales much. Not that there are that many sales to be effected!
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This is no biggie for Nokia,
It's a biggie when hardcore Windows users constitute most of your market share.
I don't recall ever reading here that someone said that Nokia will never fail, can you provide some references?
More people will care than you think. Microsoft has promised upgrades, and so far, after a snafu in the beginning, they have delivered. Most Android users are oblivious, I've found.
RIM won't upgrade BB7 phones to BB10.
No it won't have "all the end user features of Win 8". It will have a similar UI, and a bit more, but that's it. Don't believe all the speculative article you read on the Internet. Microsoft didn't promise all those features. In the presentation, they promised little more than the UI.
We all know that a phone doesn't stop working after its been made obsolete as these have been. But that doesn't make people any happier. It will never get more than very minor updates after 7.8.
You are really stretching with desperation here. It's amusing.
No update, what is 7.8 then?
It would be a bad idea for them to buy Nokia. Most of Nokia's business has nothing to do with smartphones. Microsoft would have to divest themselves of at least 75% of Nokia's business, and then what would they have left? Almost nothing! It would be better to just bring the brand to themselves, and send the manufacturing out to the contract companies. Nokia is shutting down most of its manufacturing and R&D anyway.
When something is obsoleted, it doesn't mean that it stops working. What it means is that it can no longer work with the latest accessories, software, etc.
What happened here is a perfect example of obsolescence. Microsoft knew this would happen even before they released the first Win Phone in late 2010. Nokia knew this as well. And most likey, so did their other OEMs, such as Samsung.
There is no way that people can paint this in a good way for those who own the current phones. But Microsoft needed to do this, or Win Phone would just have died sometime next year.
There were a few, you among them, who used to argue vehemently about Nokia's place in the order of things. I remember those arguments. You found it almost impossible to believe that Apple's phone could displace Symbian phones as the number one or two smartphone line.
Now, saying "never" is a foolish thing. Even the universe will die someday. I'm not saying that you used that word, because we weren't talking about decades, but still...