All that was obvious, don't cha know. There is absolutely no other way to way to do anything except the way Apple does it... though surprisingly only right after Apple does it.
Seriously though, it's unbelievable people could actually defend this type of behavior for a company. Even if you like Samsung their fans should at least have the ability to be reasonably fair and honest. It's all sounding quite pathetic that what DaHarder once said was stupid, dumb, pointless, and guaranteed to fail he's now saying was natural, obvious, and self-evident.
It's also unbelievable that they pay someone to be Chief Strategy Officer. After all, their strategy is simple:
Apple strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes Based on decades of experience in meeting customer needs and some of the best minds in the industry, choose the best prototype
Build it and sell it.
Samsung strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes Look in the trade magazines to see what Apple did and copy it.
Build it and sell it.
I sure hope they're not paying the Chief Strategy Officer very much to come up with that strategy.
I think the difference is in the detail. Firstly, tablet size has never been an issue; Apple never complained that other companies produced 10" tablets. Secondly, if Apple substantially copied Samsung's design (disregarding whether Samsung's design may have been copied from Apple in the first place), then that would be an issue, but no evidence has been presented to that effect. Or are you suggesting that Samsung has patented the concept of a 7" tablet, irrespective of what it looks like?
No more than Apple is saying that they have the patent on rectangle phones with touch screens.
Yes, that is what I'm suggesting.
This trial and Steve Jobs pure hatred of Android and Google is all well documented.
There is no way you can compare the pure beauty of the Samsung Galaxy S III and the iPhone 4S.
They are nothing alike in look, OS, or features.
Samsung has taken every product to the next level and Apple is still in 2007 as their rudementary Map application shows.
Give the customer the minimum to maximize profits is running a bit thin with Apple these days. Their sales numbers are showing it.
Apple slips, Android big winner in China during Q2
Maybe you missed the point of the post. It's not that they do nothing wrong, it's that according to you they do nothing right. Can you point to a single positive post you have ever made about Apple or Apple products.
He really did jump from a base of "This is the dumbest thing ever" to "This is the only way ever" when it comes to Apple's products.
Maybe you missed the point of the post. It's not that they do nothing wrong, it's that according to you they do nothing right. Can you point to a single positive post you have ever made about Apple or Apple products.
He really did jump from a base of "This is the dumbest thing ever" to "This is the only way ever" when it comes to Apple's products.
And along the way he bought truckloads of them for himself, his family and friends.
Maybe you missed the point of the post. It's not that they do nothing wrong, it's that according to you they do nothing right. Can you point to a single positive post you have ever made about Apple or Apple products.
Not True... and just because you appear to be highly 'selective' as to which posts you deem Apple-worthy is of no concern to me.
I support Apple, as well as any other company I choose, by buying/using their products... because that's all that really matters ;-)
It's also unbelievable that they pay someone to be Chief Strategy Officer. After all, their strategy is simple:
Apple strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes Based on decades of experience in meeting customer needs and some of the best minds in the industry, choose the best prototype
Build it and sell it.
Samsung strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes Look in the trade magazines to see what Apple did and copy it.
Build it and sell it.
I sure hope they're not paying the Chief Strategy Officer very much to come up with that strategy.
They really don't wbat is good. They corporate structure always seemed like it had passion for what it makes but this trial is just making it obvious. Apple made what appears to be dozens of prototypes and yet after years or work that started with a tablet they released a single smartphone. Samsung et al. really do seem to change one little thing or put one little idea into a design and then sell it, after which they then wait to see if it's popular or not.
Maybe you missed the point of the post. It's not that they do nothing wrong, it's that according to you they do nothing right. Can you point to a single positive post you have ever made about Apple or Apple products.
Not True... and just because you appear to be highly 'selective' as to which posts you deem Apple-worthy is of no concern to me.
I support Apple, as well as any other company I choose, by buying/using their products... because that's all that really matters ;-)
Why the **** are you here if you don't think Apple as a company deserves a shred of credit and don't like any of their products? I'm serious. Why? Why waste your time on an Apple fan site?
The ignore list works ... Well until folks quote, the dear nice person.
If Android's UI was as smooth as DaHarder's evasiveness maybe the iPhone and iPad wouldn't be making about 90% of all the profit between the two of them.
I'm getting so tired of the stupid comment about rectangles. I don't recall too many pre iPad or iPhone products being circular or triangular. All the crappy designs Samsung had before iPhones were rectangular! A crack berry is rectangular, an Etch A Sketch is rectangular. Do Apple care about those products?
If the moron were working for a car company and copied a well know market leader's SL500 design almost identically I bet he'd be saying to a judge "You can't patent a box with four wheels, we did nothing wrong, we designed it long before Mercedes. Besides, there is prior art in Jules Verne"
If Android's UI was as smooth as DaHarder's evasiveness maybe the iPhone and iPad wouldn't be making about 90% of all the profit between the two of them.
True. And I'm thinking there might be a spot for him on Samsung's legal team. They sure could use some of that smoothness, and how could his incisive arguments not impress the jury?
Why the **** are you here if you don't think Apple as a company deserves a shred of credit and don't like any of their products? I'm serious. Why? Why waste your time on an Apple fan site?
My 2 cents...
I like Apple products (can't stand the company)
I think they deserve some credit, but not 2.5 billion dollars of money they didn't earn. They are doing quite well with the 40(?) billion dollars they have stashed away, much of which they keep overseas to avoid paying taxes in the U.S.
I am not wasting my time. I often find useful information and even occasionally (getting rarer and rarer) have a reasonable discussion.
Why the **** are you here if you don't think Apple as a company deserves a shred of credit and don't like any of their products? I'm serious. Why? Why waste your time on an Apple fan site?
My 2 cents...
I like Apple products (can't stand the company)
I think they deserve some credit, but not 2.5 billion dollars of money they didn't earn. They are doing quite well with the 40(?) billion dollars they have stashed away, much of which they keep overseas to avoid paying taxes in the U.S.
I am not wasting my time. I often find useful information and even occasionally (getting rarer and rarer) have a reasonable discussion.
Just curious - why can't you stand the company? Presumably not just the tax thing.
As ALL companies likely 'size up' their wares against the competition, and then seek to improve upon said competition's efforts.
Apple has made a complete industry out of doing exactly this... Inventing Nothing but Improving Upon What Others Already Created.
Sure, look at how to mimic the competition, then at trial say that it's not copying because that's the logical design anyway. Well then why didn't they come up with it on their own years before Apple got into the phone business? Simple - because they didn't have Apple to copy before the iPhone showed up. It's clearly just copying, no improvement to be seen if they're arguing that those icons and that phone shape was just obvious. But whaaaatever, let the jury make the call.
As ALL companies likely 'size up' their wares against the competition, and then seek to improve upon said competition's efforts.
Apple has made a complete industry out of doing exactly this... Inventing Nothing but Improving Upon What Others Already Created.
So Henry Ford invented the assembly line and revolutionized the auto industry producing the Model-T. And you are saying that Apple has basically done the same? Why is that such a crime? You sound like you don't like Apple and what they did for the Smart Phone. Maybe you think we should all turn in our iPhones and go with Samsung because Apple copied others who couldn't get it right? WTF is you beef dude?
One more thing. Consider the Dyson Vacuum Cleaner. IS he guilty of designing a better vacuum based off of the old designs. No he is guilty of being sick and tired of sub par vacuums that are a pain in the ass so he did something about it. So Orec (a vacuum manufacturer) should sue him or take him to court for basically making something that has existed for nearly a century. Even though it existed for nearly a century doesn't make the Dyson Vacuum wrong. It makes it good. Every person has the right in this country to file for a patent on their invention and enjoy the spoils of the creative work they have achieved. That makes it good for the inventor. That way he can live a better life knowing that the competition can't copy him and destroy any such profit based on his genius and ingenuity.
All that was obvious, don't cha know. There is absolutely no other way to way to do anything except the way Apple does it... though surprisingly only right after Apple does it.
Seriously though, it's unbelievable people could actually defend this type of behavior for a company. Even if you like Samsung their fans should at least have the ability to be reasonably fair and honest. It's all sounding quite pathetic that what DaHarder once said was stupid, dumb, pointless, and guaranteed to fail he's now saying was natural, obvious, and self-evident.
So what is Samsung to do?
1. Don't use the bounce. OK.
2. Don't use the double tap. OK
3. Don't use a horizontal swipe to unlock. OK.
I think all of those things could be easily licensed easily enough.
So what should Apple do?
1. Pay the licensing fees for the FRAND patents.
So, the only issue is trade and dress. Should Samsung not be allowed to make black or white tablets? Should Samsung not be able to make a tablet that is as thin or thinner than the competition? Should Samsung not be able to use a glass touchscreen?
These are serious questions. At what point does Apple "own" the tablet design that uses black/white, rectangular shape, glass touchscreen panel, etc etc? Is Apple the ONLY company that can use this design. Must everyone else make an ugly looking tablet? I base the idea of attractiveness on what the customer expects. There are certain car designs elements that are expected in a sleek and sexy car. So if Toyota wants to make a sleek sports car must they avoid using smooth lines so as not to upset the other automobile manufacturers?
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It's also unbelievable that they pay someone to be Chief Strategy Officer. After all, their strategy is simple:
Apple strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes
Based on decades of experience in meeting customer needs and some of the best minds in the industry, choose the best prototype
Build it and sell it.
Samsung strategy:
Brainstorm
Choose the best ideas
Make a bunch of prototypes
Look in the trade magazines to see what Apple did and copy it.
Build it and sell it.
I sure hope they're not paying the Chief Strategy Officer very much to come up with that strategy.
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Originally Posted by muppetry
I think the difference is in the detail. Firstly, tablet size has never been an issue; Apple never complained that other companies produced 10" tablets. Secondly, if Apple substantially copied Samsung's design (disregarding whether Samsung's design may have been copied from Apple in the first place), then that would be an issue, but no evidence has been presented to that effect. Or are you suggesting that Samsung has patented the concept of a 7" tablet, irrespective of what it looks like?
No more than Apple is saying that they have the patent on rectangle phones with touch screens.
Yes, that is what I'm suggesting.
This trial and Steve Jobs pure hatred of Android and Google is all well documented.
There is no way you can compare the pure beauty of the Samsung Galaxy S III and the iPhone 4S.
They are nothing alike in look, OS, or features.
Samsung has taken every product to the next level and Apple is still in 2007 as their rudementary Map application shows.
Give the customer the minimum to maximize profits is running a bit thin with Apple these days. Their sales numbers are showing it.
Apple slips, Android big winner in China during Q2
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57486377-94/apple-slips-android-big-winner-in-china-during-q2/
He really did jump from a base of "This is the dumbest thing ever" to "This is the only way ever" when it comes to Apple's products.
And along the way he bought truckloads of them for himself, his family and friends.
Not True... and just because you appear to be highly 'selective' as to which posts you deem Apple-worthy is of no concern to me.
I support Apple, as well as any other company I choose, by buying/using their products... because that's all that really matters ;-)
They really don't wbat is good. They corporate structure always seemed like it had passion for what it makes but this trial is just making it obvious. Apple made what appears to be dozens of prototypes and yet after years or work that started with a tablet they released a single smartphone. Samsung et al. really do seem to change one little thing or put one little idea into a design and then sell it, after which they then wait to see if it's popular or not.
I always wondered what happened to that tractor-trailer full of RiM PlayBooks.
DaHarder, where were you on the night of December 17th, 2011?
Minding My Own Business... Something you appear to be woefully incapable of doing.
That's a splendidly evasive answer. Bravo.
The ignore list works ... Well until folks quote, the dear nice person.
If Android's UI was as smooth as DaHarder's evasiveness maybe the iPhone and iPad wouldn't be making about 90% of all the profit between the two of them.
If the moron were working for a car company and copied a well know market leader's SL500 design almost identically I bet he'd be saying to a judge "You can't patent a box with four wheels, we did nothing wrong, we designed it long before Mercedes. Besides, there is prior art in Jules Verne"
True. And I'm thinking there might be a spot for him on Samsung's legal team. They sure could use some of that smoothness, and how could his incisive arguments not impress the jury?
But Samsung does it around the dinner table.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Why the **** are you here if you don't think Apple as a company deserves a shred of credit and don't like any of their products? I'm serious. Why? Why waste your time on an Apple fan site?
My 2 cents...
I like Apple products (can't stand the company)
I think they deserve some credit, but not 2.5 billion dollars of money they didn't earn. They are doing quite well with the 40(?) billion dollars they have stashed away, much of which they keep overseas to avoid paying taxes in the U.S.
I am not wasting my time. I often find useful information and even occasionally (getting rarer and rarer) have a reasonable discussion.
Just curious - why can't you stand the company? Presumably not just the tax thing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
As ALL companies likely 'size up' their wares against the competition, and then seek to improve upon said competition's efforts.
Apple has made a complete industry out of doing exactly this... Inventing Nothing but Improving Upon What Others Already Created.
Sure, look at how to mimic the competition, then at trial say that it's not copying because that's the logical design anyway. Well then why didn't they come up with it on their own years before Apple got into the phone business? Simple - because they didn't have Apple to copy before the iPhone showed up. It's clearly just copying, no improvement to be seen if they're arguing that those icons and that phone shape was just obvious. But whaaaatever, let the jury make the call.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
As ALL companies likely 'size up' their wares against the competition, and then seek to improve upon said competition's efforts.
Apple has made a complete industry out of doing exactly this... Inventing Nothing but Improving Upon What Others Already Created.
So Henry Ford invented the assembly line and revolutionized the auto industry producing the Model-T. And you are saying that Apple has basically done the same? Why is that such a crime? You sound like you don't like Apple and what they did for the Smart Phone. Maybe you think we should all turn in our iPhones and go with Samsung because Apple copied others who couldn't get it right? WTF is you beef dude?
One more thing. Consider the Dyson Vacuum Cleaner. IS he guilty of designing a better vacuum based off of the old designs. No he is guilty of being sick and tired of sub par vacuums that are a pain in the ass so he did something about it. So Orec (a vacuum manufacturer) should sue him or take him to court for basically making something that has existed for nearly a century. Even though it existed for nearly a century doesn't make the Dyson Vacuum wrong. It makes it good. Every person has the right in this country to file for a patent on their invention and enjoy the spoils of the creative work they have achieved. That makes it good for the inventor. That way he can live a better life knowing that the competition can't copy him and destroy any such profit based on his genius and ingenuity.
Sounds like someone doesn't like to hear someone with a different opinion. Keep drinking the koolaid buddy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
All that was obvious, don't cha know. There is absolutely no other way to way to do anything except the way Apple does it... though surprisingly only right after Apple does it.
Seriously though, it's unbelievable people could actually defend this type of behavior for a company. Even if you like Samsung their fans should at least have the ability to be reasonably fair and honest. It's all sounding quite pathetic that what DaHarder once said was stupid, dumb, pointless, and guaranteed to fail he's now saying was natural, obvious, and self-evident.
So what is Samsung to do?
1. Don't use the bounce. OK.
2. Don't use the double tap. OK
3. Don't use a horizontal swipe to unlock. OK.
I think all of those things could be easily licensed easily enough.
So what should Apple do?
1. Pay the licensing fees for the FRAND patents.
So, the only issue is trade and dress. Should Samsung not be allowed to make black or white tablets? Should Samsung not be able to make a tablet that is as thin or thinner than the competition? Should Samsung not be able to use a glass touchscreen?
These are serious questions. At what point does Apple "own" the tablet design that uses black/white, rectangular shape, glass touchscreen panel, etc etc? Is Apple the ONLY company that can use this design. Must everyone else make an ugly looking tablet? I base the idea of attractiveness on what the customer expects. There are certain car designs elements that are expected in a sleek and sexy car. So if Toyota wants to make a sleek sports car must they avoid using smooth lines so as not to upset the other automobile manufacturers?
At some point this crap has to end.