The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
The mobile world changed in 2007. The PC world changed in 2010. When/what will be the next world change?
More succinctly, to what advantage is the marketing and manufacturing capability for buggy whips -- when the world is buying automobile cranks? Sammy has gained the pre-eminant position for today's buggy whips -- but lack the infrastructure for tomorrow's automobile cranks.
If I were to guess (SWAG, really), I would say the next world change is social* experience sharing in real-time or near real-time. I can't think of a good name for it, can't really describe it... but, like porn, I'll know it when I see it.
* I did not highlight "social" although I believe it will be the driving factor for consumers -- and that, in turn, will drive acceptance in enterprise for additional, non-social uses.
Watching TV in the family room is so passé -- as are posting to blogs or forums like AI; chatting or texting...
Come to think of it, TV as a one-to-many device is passé -- a tablet as amany-to-many device is a big part of experience sharing in real-time or near real-time. And, the tablet, as a personal TV, will largely cause the large screen to become a less-used niche product.
Edit: And tablets. with advanced cell radios, will break down the voice/messaging/data price structure of the telcos/cablecos -- it's all data, all the time!
We can be sure that what Apple tries to invent next will be a new market/device concept created by others but in which the full potential is not realized. I don't think it's TV. Apple TV is just uniting the Apple content ecosystem while not leaving them out of the living room. It may have been meant to be more, and there may still be experimentation, but they have not cracked the nut yet.
But where?
I'll tell you where it's not. All the things that sustain the mobile devices and are obvious extensions. Payment systems, advances in miniature cameras for still photos and video, accessories linked to apps for control like NEST, useful and cost effective pens for mobile input, etc.
Then where to look? Usually it is something already around that is not perfected. One example is the cloud which is in it's infancy. What's the gap? Wireless bandwidth. We can be sure that what Apple tries to invent next will be a new market/device concept created by others but in which the full potential is not realized. I don't think it's TV. Apple TV is just uniting the Apple content ecosystem while not leaving them out of the living room. It may have been meant to be more, and there may still be experimentation, but they have not cracked the nut yet.
But where?
I'll tell you where it's not. All the things that sustain the mobile devices and are obvious extensions. Payment systems, advances in miniature cameras for still photos and video, accessories linked to apps for control like NEST, useful and cost effective pens for mobile input, etc.
Then where to look? Usually it is something already around that is not perfected. One example is the cloud which is in it's infancy. What's the gap? Wireless bandwidth. How many of you with large photo or video collections can upload or download on the fly? At my pitiful upload speeds I cannot back up to the cloud my 500 GB of photos. Now, don't expect Apple to invent the impressive technology required to increase wireless bandwidth. They will just use it. We are years off. So that's just one example.
Just watch carefully for new categories of capability - devices or network oriented - and you can be sure Apple is watching it. It will be linked to daily life as it exists now in a freeing kind of way.
It's dangerous territory to say . . . blah blah . . . but shudder to think what this phone would have cost in the absence of direct competition.
Just as we all shuddered at how Apple's iPods became so very expensive when others were prevented from duplicating Apple's innovations in that space.
Oh wait, iPods were way nicer, and a far better value than the alternative players "in the absence of direct competition" and the sky didn't fall either.
Hahaha..... I don't understand how you Apple fans still using an Iphone. Why dont you open your eyes and at least check comparations on youtube. Here it is one that you should see:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5:
Thanks for the links. I too think Apple users should see this and insist Apple to copy (I mean innovate).
Pretty much every asian automotive company has a major design studio in Detroit or California. Nissan has had big design studios in the US for over 30 years! They have studios in England and China too (but I bet there are creative people from all over the world in all of their studios.)
Just as we all shuddered at how Apple's iPods became so very expensive when others were prevented from duplicating Apple's innovations in that space.
Oh wait, iPods were way nicer, and a far better value than the alternative players "in the absence of direct competition" and the sky didn't fall either.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but that's not really a good comparison. MP3 players are/were a luxury item, not needed by anyone. Also, its competitors were CD players and radios. So iPods were only a monopoly in a subsection of the portable music market. A large subsection admittedly, but still alternatives.
Smartphones on the other hand are quickly becoming a necessity, especially in the business world, in large part to the iPhone and Crackberry.
A better argument to ondafence's point would be MS Windows's virtual monopoly in the desktop market. Still didn't drive costs for WinXP through the roof nor make the "MS tax" unreasonable.
Of course only time will tell how the smartphone market shakes out. We've already seen the rise and fall of its first comers RIM & WinMo (Palm too I guess). A land of IOS and Android may be the stabilization point. Or Win8 could conqu... haha couldn't say that with a straight face.
Is that "Asian deign?"
Pretty much every asian automotive company has a major design studio in Detroit or California. Nissan has had big design studios in the US for over 30 years! They have studios in England and China too (but I bet there are creative people from all over the world in all of their studios.)
What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
Exactly my point.
Although it is worth noting the leading design schools are in the US and Europe (with faculty and students from around the world.)
It's also worth noting that most designers end up staying in the country where they finish their design education.
What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are more non-Americans than American's on Apple's design team. I know several are from the UK and Australia, one is Italian and one is German. And one that left within the last year was Japanese.
Hahaha..... I don't understand how you Apple fans still using an Iphone. Why dont you open your eyes and at least check comparations on youtube. Here it is one that you should see:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5:
Hey mate, I got a short attention span and couldn't be bothered sitting through the ads, can you fill me in on what they are about.
Oh yeah, here's mine:-
Note the 91% thumbs down, my experiment shows that 91% of Fandroids can't handle being confronted with the truth.
You should read the review on androidpolice website, it fairly positive, but points out many simple faults that could have been corrected/redesigned.
The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
I think it would be unfair to label the entire Asian continent as bad designers. Japan initially copied but later came up with their own ideas. China copies but mostly for domestic consumption. The Chinese have yet copied something and claim it's their own design and sell it internationally like Samscum and other Korean companies. Korea by far is the most blatant in copying, changing a few things then claiming it as their invention.
Just watch the first 3mins of it and you'll see what I mean.
What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
It's simple really, "American" design is something that designers who are employed by American companies are paid to produce.
It costs real money and it creates real jobs which are worth protecting.
Tim Cook summed it up when he said he doesn't want Apple to become the world's designer.
You should read the review on androidpolice website, it fairly positive, but points out many simple faults that could have been corrected/redesigned.
The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
What a pile of crap. Stereotyping inevitably invites easy counterarguments.
What company did Steve Jobs admire most when it came it design of consumer electronics? Sony.
As far depth and breadth of culture, the US is such a young nation that cultural depth is only relevant if you are talking about the native Indians.
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I guess this means that Samsung won't be able to copy the butt ugly iPhone 5 now...
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Originally Posted by woodbine
The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
American design
Asian design
Originally Posted by hentaiboy
I guess this means that Samsung won't be able to copy the butt ugly iPhone 5 now...
This is "butt ugly"?
It's this, but with a second black bar.
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
It wasn't marketed as a "brick," but designers pretty universally adopted that term as the name for that particular phone form factor.
In France we call that kind of phone a "phone booth".
Samsung is down 6% at KOSPI open in Seoul Monday morning.
That's a US$11B drop in their market cap. (As I said before, the jury ruling pales in comparison.)
Serves them right.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Ahh... but you are limiting the playing field and karma to the existing world as we know it.
It was not too long ago when Microsoft ruled the roost in computer OS, productivity apps, and had a large success in mobile phones. I remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U
AI won't accept the video link.
The mobile world changed in 2007. The PC world changed in 2010. When/what will be the next world change?
More succinctly, to what advantage is the marketing and manufacturing capability for buggy whips -- when the world is buying automobile cranks? Sammy has gained the pre-eminant position for today's buggy whips -- but lack the infrastructure for tomorrow's automobile cranks.
If I were to guess (SWAG, really), I would say the next world change is social* experience sharing in real-time or near real-time. I can't think of a good name for it, can't really describe it... but, like porn, I'll know it when I see it.
* I did not highlight "social" although I believe it will be the driving factor for consumers -- and that, in turn, will drive acceptance in enterprise for additional, non-social uses.
Watching TV in the family room is so passé -- as are posting to blogs or forums like AI; chatting or texting...
Come to think of it, TV as a one-to-many device is passé -- a tablet as a many-to-many device is a big part of experience sharing in real-time or near real-time. And, the tablet, as a personal TV, will largely cause the large screen to become a less-used niche product.
Edit: And tablets. with advanced cell radios, will break down the voice/messaging/data price structure of the telcos/cablecos -- it's all data, all the time!
We can be sure that what Apple tries to invent next will be a new market/device concept created by others but in which the full potential is not realized. I don't think it's TV. Apple TV is just uniting the Apple content ecosystem while not leaving them out of the living room. It may have been meant to be more, and there may still be experimentation, but they have not cracked the nut yet.
But where?
I'll tell you where it's not. All the things that sustain the mobile devices and are obvious extensions. Payment systems, advances in miniature cameras for still photos and video, accessories linked to apps for control like NEST, useful and cost effective pens for mobile input, etc.
Then where to look? Usually it is something already around that is not perfected. One example is the cloud which is in it's infancy. What's the gap? Wireless bandwidth. We can be sure that what Apple tries to invent next will be a new market/device concept created by others but in which the full potential is not realized. I don't think it's TV. Apple TV is just uniting the Apple content ecosystem while not leaving them out of the living room. It may have been meant to be more, and there may still be experimentation, but they have not cracked the nut yet.
But where?
I'll tell you where it's not. All the things that sustain the mobile devices and are obvious extensions. Payment systems, advances in miniature cameras for still photos and video, accessories linked to apps for control like NEST, useful and cost effective pens for mobile input, etc.
Then where to look? Usually it is something already around that is not perfected. One example is the cloud which is in it's infancy. What's the gap? Wireless bandwidth. How many of you with large photo or video collections can upload or download on the fly? At my pitiful upload speeds I cannot back up to the cloud my 500 GB of photos. Now, don't expect Apple to invent the impressive technology required to increase wireless bandwidth. They will just use it. We are years off. So that's just one example.
Just watch carefully for new categories of capability - devices or network oriented - and you can be sure Apple is watching it. It will be linked to daily life as it exists now in a freeing kind of way.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/companies/samsung-shares-plunge-after-patent-verdict/story-fndfr3g3-1226458770979
Or look at it's page directly:
http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/irfaqs/stockdividend/IR_StockDividend.html
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Originally Posted by ondafence
It's dangerous territory to say . . . blah blah . . . but shudder to think what this phone would have cost in the absence of direct competition.
Just as we all shuddered at how Apple's iPods became so very expensive when others were prevented from duplicating Apple's innovations in that space.
Oh wait, iPods were way nicer, and a far better value than the alternative players "in the absence of direct competition" and the sky didn't fall either.
Quote:
Originally Posted by anonimo
Hahaha..... I don't understand how you Apple fans still using an Iphone. Why dont you open your eyes and at least check comparations on youtube. Here it is one that you should see:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5:
Thanks for the links. I too think Apple users should see this and insist Apple to copy (I mean innovate).
Is that "Asian deign?"
Pretty much every asian automotive company has a major design studio in Detroit or California. Nissan has had big design studios in the US for over 30 years! They have studios in England and China too (but I bet there are creative people from all over the world in all of their studios.)
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DESIGN/BASE/
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy
Asian design
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but that's not really a good comparison. MP3 players are/were a luxury item, not needed by anyone. Also, its competitors were CD players and radios. So iPods were only a monopoly in a subsection of the portable music market. A large subsection admittedly, but still alternatives.
Smartphones on the other hand are quickly becoming a necessity, especially in the business world, in large part to the iPhone and Crackberry.
A better argument to ondafence's point would be MS Windows's virtual monopoly in the desktop market. Still didn't drive costs for WinXP through the roof nor make the "MS tax" unreasonable.
Of course only time will tell how the smartphone market shakes out. We've already seen the rise and fall of its first comers RIM & WinMo (Palm too I guess). A land of IOS and Android may be the stabilization point. Or Win8 could conqu... haha couldn't say that with a straight face.
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What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
Before the iPhone came out smart phones "are/were a luxury item too."
Apple made iPods ubiquitous and a "necessity" just as they have smart phones.
Frankly though, neither device was or is a necessity, or a luxury.
Mobilizing computing and communication devices has proven very useful though.
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Originally Posted by MarquisMark
What is "American" design anyways? Sure Ford et al are based in the US but their who's on the design team? I'm sure there are a plethora of ethnicities on the team, probably even an Asian or 2. Same goes for Apple's design team.
Exactly my point.
Although it is worth noting the leading design schools are in the US and Europe (with faculty and students from around the world.)
It's also worth noting that most designers end up staying in the country where they finish their design education.
Hey mate, I got a short attention span and couldn't be bothered sitting through the ads, can you fill me in on what they are about.
Oh yeah, here's mine:-
Note the 91% thumbs down, my experiment shows that 91% of Fandroids can't handle being confronted with the truth.
Have a fantastic day, cobber.
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Originally Posted by woodbine
You should read the review on androidpolice website, it fairly positive, but points out many simple faults that could have been corrected/redesigned.
The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
I think it would be unfair to label the entire Asian continent as bad designers. Japan initially copied but later came up with their own ideas. China copies but mostly for domestic consumption. The Chinese have yet copied something and claim it's their own design and sell it internationally like Samscum and other Korean companies. Korea by far is the most blatant in copying, changing a few things then claiming it as their invention.
Just watch the first 3mins of it and you'll see what I mean.
It's simple really, "American" design is something that designers who are employed by American companies are paid to produce.
It costs real money and it creates real jobs which are worth protecting.
Tim Cook summed it up when he said he doesn't want Apple to become the world's designer.
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Originally Posted by woodbine
You should read the review on androidpolice website, it fairly positive, but points out many simple faults that could have been corrected/redesigned.
The problem I feel is that the Asian culture does not have the right tools to create world design. Maybe it's something about western culture having such depth and breadth that makes our manufactures world beaters.
Just look at the car industry, have you ever seen a truly original gorgeous design come out of any of the Asian manufactures? Maybe one or two, but the rest seem to borrow most of the design cues from western companies.
What a pile of crap. Stereotyping inevitably invites easy counterarguments.
What company did Steve Jobs admire most when it came it design of consumer electronics? Sony.
As far depth and breadth of culture, the US is such a young nation that cultural depth is only relevant if you are talking about the native Indians.