Often, it is quite easy... Just look at the map. I just moved the pin for "St. Peter's" in Rome, about a mile and a half. You just click the info icon on the incorrect pin location, select report an error, bad location, then drag the pin to the correct location (indicated by the purple dropped pin on the left)!
Other times, you need to make extra effort and do a web search or use a competitive maps app.
But we all contribute and we all gain in the end... We call that society!
Yeah, if you zoom into some buildings there WILL be distortions and imperfections.
Where're the streets? And then you admit to visual distortions above!
NEXT.
END OF STORY.
It should "just work" and if not, then leave in what does until IT does.
I think that one thing that Apple can do is provide an option where there is a slider that the user can change to a (djust the level of detain shown at any zoom level (overriding the defaults). I think that this can be implemented without going to the servers for additional data.
That won't work, at least it's not the right solution. It needs to show the right information, and Apple maps sometimes doesn't do that any zoom level. Pedestrian cities just require different info to be visible. In cases like Tokyo where the addressing system is fairly different you need to approach it from a different angle I think. You can see how it's oriented for drivers by the names Apple attempts to put on the roads here. They may be technically correct, but no one I've ever met knows them. A few major streets near me, Meiji-dori and Komazawa-dori are actually labeled with names, but also with numbers like 416 and 305 that are useless.
I think that one thing that Apple can do is provide an option where there is a slider that the user can change to a (djust the level of detain shown at any zoom level (overriding the defaults). I think that this can be implemented without going to the servers for additional data.
That won't work, at least it's not the right solution. It needs to show the right information, and Apple maps sometimes doesn't do that any zoom level. Pedestrian cities just require different info to be visible. In cases like Tokyo where the addressing system is fairly different you need to approach it from a different angle I think. You can see how it's oriented for drivers by the names Apple attempts to put on the roads here. They may be technically correct, but no one I've ever met knows them. A few major streets near me, Meiji-dori and Komazawa-dori are actually labeled with names, but also with numbers like 416 and 305 that are useless.
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
Better to simply ignore this poster.
Apple Maps shouldn't be Google Maps. Google Maps are complete garbage in Tokyo but they don't mention that.
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
I'm not saying it isn't doable. I'm saying they aren't doing it. I write software for a living, I know the difference. The fact is it's not a good implementation for Japan (or at least the major cities) and calling them out on it is fair game. I think it will get better. I don't expect it to happen in a month, I know it will take some time. Knowning Apple I'm not sure if it's every going to be as good as it should be. They can be pretty stubborn, and as long as their emphasis is driving it will probably still have a lot holes.
Apple Maps shouldn't be Google Maps. Google Maps are complete garbage in Tokyo but they don't mention that.
Google maps are complete garbage in Tokyo? You obviously don't live here or I wouldn't be hearing such s**t out of your mouth. Google maps are pretty damn good here. It looks like they get their info form Mapion which also has good maps. Yahoo isn't bad, and just looking at maps I'd probably say Bing is more useful for most people. I haven't tested search between them, but I think Google wins out there in most cases too. If you consider searching in English (and maybe other languages) google definitely wins.
Apple maps doesn't have to be Google maps in Tokyo. I'm sure Google has patents or other legal mechanisms to prevent it, but Apple maps is pretty much garbage here currently. They've got a long way to go to make usable maps for Tokyo.
Which map provider did you use when you were in Tokyo? What did you find to be done poorly there in Google Maps?
I don't think Macbook Pro has visited Japan much less lived here or he wouldn't be putting down Google maps as much as he is. If you can't search in Japanese Google maps is probably the only way to find anything there.It's not perfect, but it beats out all options if you don't write Japanese well. It may not be the top in other areas, but I don't think it's far off. I've found it's searching to be better than Yahoo which was traditionally the stronger company in Japan. I hadn't used them in years, but I was surprised to see the difference between the services recently.
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
I'm not saying it isn't doable. I'm saying they aren't doing it. I write software for a living, I know the difference. The fact is it's not a good implementation for Japan (or at least the major cities) and calling them out on it is fair game. I think it will get better. I don't expect it to happen in a month, I know it will take some time. Knowning Apple I'm not sure if it's every going to be as good as it should be. They can be pretty stubborn, and as long as their emphasis is driving it will probably still have a lot holes.
It's hard to say what Apple is, or is not, doing... They are so secretive. The PlaceBase PushPin API, was reported to use the Flash browser plugin... If so, it must be rewritten to use OpenGL to run on iOS.
I hope that Apple opens this API up to 3rd-party developers ASAP, rather than trying to do everything internally.
I haven't programmed IOS MapKit for a while... I think I will play around a bit and see just how basic a map can be be generated in standard view, and hybrid view -- and what is involved in providing transportation interfaces.
Ideally, there will be a basic map with few embellishments that can be presented, then can be enhanced according to the need being served -- subway, hiking, biking...
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Originally Posted by hill60
What else is there to know?
Where the actual location is.
Often, it is quite easy... Just look at the map. I just moved the pin for "St. Peter's" in Rome, about a mile and a half. You just click the info icon on the incorrect pin location, select report an error, bad location, then drag the pin to the correct location (indicated by the purple dropped pin on the left)!
Other times, you need to make extra effort and do a web search or use a competitive maps app.
But we all contribute and we all gain in the end... We call that society!
Here's the kind of thing that's possible with Apple maps 3D FlyOver view -- that just can't be done with Google StreetView when no public roads exisL
and
:^)>
http://www.akademifantasia.org/north-america/bizzare-picture-of-the-back-of-mount-rushmore/
Where're the streets? And then you admit to visual distortions above!
NEXT.
END OF STORY.
It should "just work" and if not, then leave in what does until IT does.
Just look at the Slurpy pics above - where are the roads?
Originally Posted by iSheldon
Where're the streets? And then you admit to visual distortions above!
NEXT.
END OF STORY.
It should "just work" and if not, then leave in what does until IT does.
See those two capital letters in your last sentence? COME OFF THEM. It's called satellite view, not hybrid view.
Why we let you continue to spew this crap is beyond me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
I think that one thing that Apple can do is provide an option where there is a slider that the user can change to a (djust the level of detain shown at any zoom level (overriding the defaults). I think that this can be implemented without going to the servers for additional data.
That won't work, at least it's not the right solution. It needs to show the right information, and Apple maps sometimes doesn't do that any zoom level. Pedestrian cities just require different info to be visible. In cases like Tokyo where the addressing system is fairly different you need to approach it from a different angle I think. You can see how it's oriented for drivers by the names Apple attempts to put on the roads here. They may be technically correct, but no one I've ever met knows them. A few major streets near me, Meiji-dori and Komazawa-dori are actually labeled with names, but also with numbers like 416 and 305 that are useless.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSheldon
Where're the streets? And then you admit to visual distortions above!
NEXT.
END OF STORY.
It should "just work" and if not, then leave in what does until IT does.
Google maps on iOS didn't work, for example there was no voice guidance.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSheldon
Just look at the Slurpy pics above - where are the roads?
On the ground,
Where else would they be...
...hang on a tick, be back shortly...
/cue sound of footsteps running down stairs, door opening and closing, pause, door opening and closing, footsteps running up stairs...
...yep, my house is still on my street, right where I left it.
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Here's the kind of thing that's possible with Apple maps 3D FlyOver view -- that just can't be done with Google StreetView when no public roads exisL
:^)>
http://www.akademifantasia.org/north-america/bizzare-picture-of-the-back-of-mount-rushmore/
Isn't that what you see as you leave...
...in the REARVIEW mirror?
Better to simply ignore this poster.
Apple Maps shouldn't be Google Maps. Google Maps are complete garbage in Tokyo but they don't mention that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Better to simply ignore this poster.
Apple Maps shouldn't be Google Maps. Google Maps are complete garbage in Tokyo but they don't mention that.
Which map provider did you use when you were in Tokyo? What did you find to be done poorly there in Google Maps?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
That should be doable... PlaceBase, the company that Apple purchased a few years ago, has an API called PushPin -- which allowed layers of data, images, controls to be displayed over a map. They could display different layers for driving, walking and public transportation.
Apple has a very flexible maps app that is just trying to get born... It'll soon learn to crawl, walk... Give it a few years!
I'm not saying it isn't doable. I'm saying they aren't doing it. I write software for a living, I know the difference. The fact is it's not a good implementation for Japan (or at least the major cities) and calling them out on it is fair game. I think it will get better. I don't expect it to happen in a month, I know it will take some time. Knowning Apple I'm not sure if it's every going to be as good as it should be. They can be pretty stubborn, and as long as their emphasis is driving it will probably still have a lot holes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Better to simply ignore this poster.
Apple Maps shouldn't be Google Maps. Google Maps are complete garbage in Tokyo but they don't mention that.
Google maps are complete garbage in Tokyo? You obviously don't live here or I wouldn't be hearing such s**t out of your mouth. Google maps are pretty damn good here. It looks like they get their info form Mapion which also has good maps. Yahoo isn't bad, and just looking at maps I'd probably say Bing is more useful for most people. I haven't tested search between them, but I think Google wins out there in most cases too. If you consider searching in English (and maybe other languages) google definitely wins.
Apple maps doesn't have to be Google maps in Tokyo. I'm sure Google has patents or other legal mechanisms to prevent it, but Apple maps is pretty much garbage here currently. They've got a long way to go to make usable maps for Tokyo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Which map provider did you use when you were in Tokyo? What did you find to be done poorly there in Google Maps?
I don't think Macbook Pro has visited Japan much less lived here or he wouldn't be putting down Google maps as much as he is. If you can't search in Japanese Google maps is probably the only way to find anything there.It's not perfect, but it beats out all options if you don't write Japanese well. It may not be the top in other areas, but I don't think it's far off. I've found it's searching to be better than Yahoo which was traditionally the stronger company in Japan. I hadn't used them in years, but I was surprised to see the difference between the services recently.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Did you report these errors?
Every single one. None have been fixed. All of Ontario is broken. Not a little broken. BROKEN.
Other times, you need to make extra effort and do a web search or use a competitive maps app.
But we all contribute and we all gain in the end... We call that society!
Yeah great, just what the world needs, ANOTHER proprietary POI database.
OpenStreetMaps has all of this stuff already. I'd be much happier if Apple just used them.
It's hard to say what Apple is, or is not, doing... They are so secretive. The PlaceBase PushPin API, was reported to use the Flash browser plugin... If so, it must be rewritten to use OpenGL to run on iOS.
I hope that Apple opens this API up to 3rd-party developers ASAP, rather than trying to do everything internally.
I haven't programmed IOS MapKit for a while... I think I will play around a bit and see just how basic a map can be be generated in standard view, and hybrid view -- and what is involved in providing transportation interfaces.
Ideally, there will be a basic map with few embellishments that can be presented, then can be enhanced according to the need being served -- subway, hiking, biking...