That MS Surface you have up there looks like it's pretty much 4:3 when it's actually the16:9, which is slightly more widescreen than the 16:10 Nexus 7.
Also, I'd add the Kindle and Kindle HD sizes in that mix as the are likely the closest per unit competitors the iPad will have.
Unless I made a data entry error by resolution. 1366x768 is what is given.
Yes, there was a data entry error. Fixed. Thanks for catching that!
Since MS held a funeral for the iPhone, I wonder what they're going to do for Windows Phone, because that thing is stillborn. And even if it had survived and made it's way safely out of the womb, it should have been aborted.
I bet if they put office on the Windows Phone it would be an iPhone killer. oh wait.. deja vu. never mind.
I believe you are forgetting those people who are given iPads at work. I think it can be safely assumed that their employers handed these iPads out with purely productive intentions.
Their point is mostly valid. It does not take a a great deal of effort to find an exception (aka low blow) when one makes an absolute statement. Anyhow, wake me up when the majority out IT departments are handing out tablets or Surfaces instead of laptops. For now, the primary consumer motivator is recreational use first and foremost, productivity, if any, secondary.
Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!
Honestly, there were at least 3 sales clerks for every Lookie Lou... Another bomb from Redmond!
Classic. Yeah, they are all lining up to see a tablet and it's fugly red keyboard. I guess the Product Manager for this thing is looking for a job elsewhere.
Their point is mostly valid. It does not take a a great deal of effort to find an exception (aka low blow) when one makes an absolute statement. Anyhow, wake me up when the majority out IT departments are handing out tablets or Surfaces instead of laptops. For now, the primary consumer motivator is recreational use first and foremost, productivity, if any, secondary.
I think MS might be able to make a dent with the $500 Surface RT if it actually would connect to an Active Directory domain, but it can't. They didn't port Windows to ARM architecture like Apple ported PPC to Intel. It's not just a new UI but significant differences in usability. I am shocked that there is no AD support because I see this as the way MS could have made the Surface and Win RT look strong in comparison to the iPad in the Enterprise.
That "recreational tablet" sells between 14-17 million per quarter now, with over 100 million sold to date. And that's just from Apple. No OEMs involved.
MS is delusional. Apple ate their lunch years ago. MS isn't even worth looking at anymore. The big news is happening elsewhere.
So how are those Windows Phone sales going?
They came out with WIndows phones? Really? When? I haven't seen anyone using them. You mean, they actually are selling them? When was the release date?
I'm actually excited about Win8. Primarily because I work for a company with 40,000 people, and based on the thousands of applications we work with, I don't realistically expect them to ever switch to Apple (although, a guy can dream!). I figure Apple is so far ahead, that Win8 HAS to be a step in the right direction, and even though I won't use it at home, it could still be a positive for me.
Sinofsky's comments remind me of what DOS and then Windows power users have always said about using Apple products; "that's not REAL computing".
Yep, someone is bitter much. Going to get worse when it turns out the iPad mini sold 10 to 1 on the Surface RT. and 80% of those RTs were returned with the first week.
Flip this around and it could be stated that if you want to use Surface for recreational purposes there are better options. Think they will admit to that?
Good point. Most buyers are likely basic computing and recreational, not business. It does sound like they are suggestion the Mini is the better choice
Classic. Yeah, they are all lining up to see a tablet and it's fugly red keyboard. I guess the Product Manager for this thing is looking for a job elsewhere.
I think MS might be able to make a dent with the $500 Surface RT if it actually would connect to an Active Directory domain, but it can't. They didn't port Windows to ARM architecture like Apple ported PPC to Intel. It's not just a new UI but significant differences in usability. I am shocked that there is no AD support because I see this as the way MS could have made the Surface and Win RT look strong in comparison to the iPad in the Enterprise.
While it took them decades to catch on to why complete HW/SW integration is important, they still have a few things to learn from Apple about how to go to market with new product designs. Something about it can't be just good, it cant be just great.. it has to be... oh what's the phrase?
How many years is it going to take them to figure that one out? I question if they have the leadership which is strong enough to have the determination or commitment to see things all the way through and not release stuff before its ready.
I really like the dialog from a scene in recent Marvel Avenger's movie which goes something like this: "You are gonna lose because you lack conviction". This about sums it up for me for most companies; unfortunately.
Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.
Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.
I agree with you 100% bravo! as an aside, I actually agree with both Apple's and Microsoft's criticisms about each others products. One is mostly recreational and the other is mostly compromising and confusing.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
That MS Surface you have up there looks like it's pretty much 4:3 when it's actually the16:9, which is slightly more widescreen than the 16:10 Nexus 7.
Also, I'd add the Kindle and Kindle HD sizes in that mix as the are likely the closest per unit competitors the iPad will have.
Unless I made a data entry error by resolution. 1366x768 is what is given.
Yes, there was a data entry error. Fixed. Thanks for catching that!
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Since MS held a funeral for the iPhone, I wonder what they're going to do for Windows Phone, because that thing is stillborn. And even if it had survived and made it's way safely out of the womb, it should have been aborted.
I bet if they put office on the Windows Phone it would be an iPhone killer. oh wait.. deja vu. never mind.
The worst part about the tablet crash is Sinofsky's "girly run" across the stage.
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I believe you are forgetting those people who are given iPads at work. I think it can be safely assumed that their employers handed these iPads out with purely productive intentions.
Their point is mostly valid. It does not take a a great deal of effort to find an exception (aka low blow) when one makes an absolute statement. Anyhow, wake me up when the majority out IT departments are handing out tablets or Surfaces instead of laptops. For now, the primary consumer motivator is recreational use first and foremost, productivity, if any, secondary.
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Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!
Honestly, there were at least 3 sales clerks for every Lookie Lou... Another bomb from Redmond!
Classic. Yeah, they are all lining up to see a tablet and it's fugly red keyboard. I guess the Product Manager for this thing is looking for a job elsewhere.
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Microsoft exec makes click bait comment regarding their jack of all trades but master of none tablet?
Yeah, but that red keyboard takes the FUGLY award. I guess Microsoft's lack of color correction in WIndows might be the blame for that.
I sure hope Sinofsky is practicing his jump and hop "monkey dance", 'cause he's gonna need it!
I think MS might be able to make a dent with the $500 Surface RT if it actually would connect to an Active Directory domain, but it can't. They didn't port Windows to ARM architecture like Apple ported PPC to Intel. It's not just a new UI but significant differences in usability. I am shocked that there is no AD support because I see this as the way MS could have made the Surface and Win RT look strong in comparison to the iPad in the Enterprise.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
That "recreational tablet" sells between 14-17 million per quarter now, with over 100 million sold to date. And that's just from Apple. No OEMs involved.
MS is delusional. Apple ate their lunch years ago. MS isn't even worth looking at anymore. The big news is happening elsewhere.
So how are those Windows Phone sales going?
They came out with WIndows phones? Really? When? I haven't seen anyone using them. You mean, they actually are selling them? When was the release date?
Were they still in stock at that store or had sales begun when the picture was taken?
Yep, someone is bitter much. Going to get worse when it turns out the iPad mini sold 10 to 1 on the Surface RT. and 80% of those RTs were returned with the first week.
Good point. Most buyers are likely basic computing and recreational, not business. It does sound like they are suggestion the Mini is the better choice
#firebrowett
Oh wait, wrong company
Likely in stock. I work down there and that store is always dead. Other than the high school kids playing on the Xbox
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...Win Server 2012 are not crap. They are confusing as hell on many levels...
Windows NT 3.51 was confusing as hell too. Every server upgrade they have ever made was a complete departure from the previous version.
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I think MS might be able to make a dent with the $500 Surface RT if it actually would connect to an Active Directory domain, but it can't. They didn't port Windows to ARM architecture like Apple ported PPC to Intel. It's not just a new UI but significant differences in usability. I am shocked that there is no AD support because I see this as the way MS could have made the Surface and Win RT look strong in comparison to the iPad in the Enterprise.
While it took them decades to catch on to why complete HW/SW integration is important, they still have a few things to learn from Apple about how to go to market with new product designs. Something about it can't be just good, it cant be just great.. it has to be... oh what's the phrase?
How many years is it going to take them to figure that one out? I question if they have the leadership which is strong enough to have the determination or commitment to see things all the way through and not release stuff before its ready.
I really like the dialog from a scene in recent Marvel Avenger's movie which goes something like this: "You are gonna lose because you lack conviction". This about sums it up for me for most companies; unfortunately.
Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.
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Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.
I agree with you 100% bravo! as an aside, I actually agree with both Apple's and Microsoft's criticisms about each others products. One is mostly recreational and the other is mostly compromising and confusing.