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They advertise landscape mode as the most common way to use it with their Height and Width dimensions. That to me is a huge reason why these products just don't get it. Except for the occasional video and for playing Kingdom Rush (awesome tower game) do I use my tablet in landscape.
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real
If you mean meant to compete with and out-perform what the licensees can offer, or the most fully-featured Android tablets that can be built then no it is not. I expect some Android licensee to soon to step up with their own 7-8" tablet with more compelling features. The Nexus7 and Nexus10 are meant to showcase Android itself as a valid tablet OS choice IMO. That in turn will give developers a reason to focus on tablet-specific apps, which helps push the overall Android effort forward. Licensees are expected to build on the hardware/OS match specifications.
So if someone wants a smartphone with the most up-to-date OS, fastest connectivity and one that will be able to receive OS updates when they are released, the iPhone 5 is the only choice?
As this is a "Developer Phone" not "Flagship" phone, are Android developers doing so poorly that Google thinks they can't afford to pay for LTE?
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
I'm not arguing anything other than the OP (PhilBoogie) was confused in his product comparison choice when it came to dimensions.
They advertise landscape mode as the most common way to use it with their Height and Width dimensions. That to me is a huge reason why these products just don't get it. Except for the occasional video and for playing Kingdom Rush (awesome tower game) do I use my tablet in landscape.
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
with most of such hardware specs being so similar, they don't have much impact on consumer decisions. you probably need a >20% varience for most folks to notice it. the 8" iPad mini screen is 35% bigger than a 7" Android tablet, so yes, that does really matter.
the fundamental spec that does matter is the aspect ratio. for tablets, 4:3 is defnitely better for some things, starting with web browsing, the #1 user activity, and maps, and at least ok for everything. 16:10(9) is only defnitely better for video/movies, medicore for web browsing and maps, and not really good at all for anything requiring portrait mode. Android, and now MS, made a fateful choice to go with 16:10(9). that will impact consumer choices - more toward Apple than toward them.
I think it's because Verizon and AT&T want all new devices to have LTE; Verizon has actually stated that all new smartphones on its network must have LTE. Sprint and T-Mobile are probably more willing to accept non-LTE phones, but Google would have to build a CDMA model to work on Sprint (or Verizon for that matter), and that would not be a justifiable cost when GSM is the dominant platform around the world. That leaves T-Mobile as the only on-contract option.
All that aside, I think it's clear that Google intends to make most of its sales without a contract since the phone can be had for only $299.
So if someone wants a smartphone with the most up-to-date OS, fastest connectivity and one that will be able to receive OS updates when they are released, the iPhone 5 is the only choice?
As this is a "Developer Phone" not "Flagship" phone, are Android developers doing so poorly that Google thinks they can't afford to pay for LTE?
Nexus phones get updates all the time, not just once a year. Just today they unveiled new functionalities and pushed them to existing Nexus devices right away.
There are some GL Benchmarks out for the Nexus 10. Faster than an A6 or A5X, but it's gonna get killed by the A6X (if Apple's claims of 2X the A5X hold true).
Man, it's gotta suck when your latest "Saviour" for a processor still can't catch an Apple SoC. the nerds are going to be raging over this.
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
LTE was, and still is, very overrated. I think the 4S was mocked for having slow HSPA+. HSPA+ 21 and 42 absolutely flies on most networks.
So if someone wants a smartphone with the most up-to-date OS, fastest connectivity and one that will be able to receive OS updates when they are released, the iPhone 5 is the only choice?
As this is a "Developer Phone" not "Flagship" phone, are Android developers doing so poorly that Google thinks they can't afford to pay for LTE?
I think the explanation is that they wanted the unlocked Nexus 4 to be a 'world phone'. Not a world phone that has LTE that only works in a few parts of the world (I believe LTE is still quite fragmented).
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real
Google's flagship product is its search and cloud products (Documents, G+, Maps, etc...).
The devices are to show off their services, and get them in as many hands as possible. No, the Nexus 7 isn't their 'flagship product' as they're not a hardware company. Plus it was always intended to be in the budget segment of the market (though the specs are quite good for the price).
LTE was, and still is, very overrated. I think the 4S was mocked for having slow HSPA+. HSPA+ 21 and 42 absolutely flies on most networks.
I am not sure about others, but my experience with AT&T in my area of the US is that real world HSPA+ speeds have gone down substantially the last few months. Places I used to get 8Mbs, I now get 0.2Mbs. Where as a iPhone 5 with LTE gets 12Mbs in the same location. My gut tells me AT&T may be throttling back HSPA+ to free up bandwidth for LTE on their wired backbone. So while LTE may be overrated, AT&T in my area at least seems to be killing of HSPA+ in favor of LTE driven service.
I think the explanation is that they wanted the unlocked Nexus 4 to be a 'world phone'. Not a world phone that has LTE that only works in a few parts of the world (I believe LTE is still quite fragmented).
How many markets/carriers is the iPhone 5 on? Surely that counts as a 'world phone'. Why is LTE fragmentation such an issue now for those who are interested in Android phones, whereas last year the when iP4S came out it wasn't?
Google's plan is to suck all the hardware profits out of the Android ecosystem and go for maximum volume. And these manufacturers are too stupid to understand that basic goal
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Originally Posted by SuperTomcat
Wow... you should go fast and tell them.
It is amazing how there are people thinking they know more than big companies.
Sorry but Red Oak is absolutely right! Google, along with Amazon, are quickly driving innovative markets like smartphones and tablets to commodity status. The hardware manufacturers are idiots to let this happen as it also destroys their own margins / branded opportunities in the process. Its the same thing that MSFT did to the PC industry - no one makes money!!!!! Except in the wintel world, MSFT. It doesn't take a business genius to see this. Meanwhile, Google is stealing our own personal data, making billions off of us, while not compensating us, and while invading our privacy. Meanwhile they destroy other companies as they sell these products at a loss, just like Amazon.
Sorry but Red Oak is absolutely right! Google, along with Amazon, are quickly driving innovative markets like smartphones and tablets to commodity status. The hardware manufacturers are idiots to let this happen as it also destroys their own margins / branded opportunities in the process. Its the same thing that MSFT did to the PC industry - no one makes money!!!!! Except in the wintel world, MSFT. It doesn't take a business genius to see this. Meanwhile, Google is stealing our own personal data, making billions off of us, while not compensating us, and while invading our privacy. Meanwhile they destroy other companies as they sell these products at a loss, just like Amazon.
I agree as well. But Google had no choice. Amazon did it first, and since it was on an Android Fork and was outselling the other Androids, there was danger that the Android Tablet market, would really be the Amazon Tablet market. Amazon doesn't include Google Money making services. So Google really only had two choices, Surrender the market or launch it's own low/no margin tablet. They did the latter.
Their 10" is actually is more than I thought it would be. $400 leaves a lot of room for the Kindle Fire 8.9" at $300.
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They advertise landscape mode as the most common way to use it with their Height and Width dimensions. That to me is a huge reason why these products just don't get it. Except for the occasional video and for playing Kingdom Rush (awesome tower game) do I use my tablet in landscape.
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real
If you mean meant to compete with and out-perform what the licensees can offer, or the most fully-featured Android tablets that can be built then no it is not. I expect some Android licensee to soon to step up with their own 7-8" tablet with more compelling features. The Nexus7 and Nexus10 are meant to showcase Android itself as a valid tablet OS choice IMO. That in turn will give developers a reason to focus on tablet-specific apps, which helps push the overall Android effort forward. Licensees are expected to build on the hardware/OS match specifications.
So if someone wants a smartphone with the most up-to-date OS, fastest connectivity and one that will be able to receive OS updates when they are released, the iPhone 5 is the only choice?
As this is a "Developer Phone" not "Flagship" phone, are Android developers doing so poorly that Google thinks they can't afford to pay for LTE?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
I'm not arguing anything other than the OP (PhilBoogie) was confused in his product comparison choice when it came to dimensions.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
They advertise landscape mode as the most common way to use it with their Height and Width dimensions. That to me is a huge reason why these products just don't get it. Except for the occasional video and for playing Kingdom Rush (awesome tower game) do I use my tablet in landscape.
As for your other size comparisons they are pretty much pointless unless you can argue that less battery life is better than being 49g heavier for the performance envelope.
with most of such hardware specs being so similar, they don't have much impact on consumer decisions. you probably need a >20% varience for most folks to notice it. the 8" iPad mini screen is 35% bigger than a 7" Android tablet, so yes, that does really matter.
the fundamental spec that does matter is the aspect ratio. for tablets, 4:3 is defnitely better for some things, starting with web browsing, the #1 user activity, and maps, and at least ok for everything. 16:10(9) is only defnitely better for video/movies, medicore for web browsing and maps, and not really good at all for anything requiring portrait mode. Android, and now MS, made a fateful choice to go with 16:10(9). that will impact consumer choices - more toward Apple than toward them.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Why only T-Mobile?
I think it's because Verizon and AT&T want all new devices to have LTE; Verizon has actually stated that all new smartphones on its network must have LTE. Sprint and T-Mobile are probably more willing to accept non-LTE phones, but Google would have to build a CDMA model to work on Sprint (or Verizon for that matter), and that would not be a justifiable cost when GSM is the dominant platform around the world. That leaves T-Mobile as the only on-contract option.
All that aside, I think it's clear that Google intends to make most of its sales without a contract since the phone can be had for only $299.
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Originally Posted by stike vomit
How does the iPhone compare to the Nexus in price?
Do you prefer buying turd because it's cheaper than donut?
Nexus phones get updates all the time, not just once a year. Just today they unveiled new functionalities and pushed them to existing Nexus devices right away.
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Originally Posted by snova
what (inductive charging) standard does it use
Qi specification
Man, it's gotta suck when your latest "Saviour" for a processor still can't catch an Apple SoC. the nerds are going to be raging over this.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
LTE was, and still is, very overrated. I think the 4S was mocked for having slow HSPA+. HSPA+ 21 and 42 absolutely flies on most networks.
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Originally Posted by sennen
So if someone wants a smartphone with the most up-to-date OS, fastest connectivity and one that will be able to receive OS updates when they are released, the iPhone 5 is the only choice?
As this is a "Developer Phone" not "Flagship" phone, are Android developers doing so poorly that Google thinks they can't afford to pay for LTE?
I think the explanation is that they wanted the unlocked Nexus 4 to be a 'world phone'. Not a world phone that has LTE that only works in a few parts of the world (I believe LTE is still quite fragmented).
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real
Google's flagship product is its search and cloud products (Documents, G+, Maps, etc...).
The devices are to show off their services, and get them in as many hands as possible. No, the Nexus 7 isn't their 'flagship product' as they're not a hardware company. Plus it was always intended to be in the budget segment of the market (though the specs are quite good for the price).
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
LTE was, and still is, very overrated. I think the 4S was mocked for having slow HSPA+. HSPA+ 21 and 42 absolutely flies on most networks.
I am not sure about others, but my experience with AT&T in my area of the US is that real world HSPA+ speeds have gone down substantially the last few months. Places I used to get 8Mbs, I now get 0.2Mbs. Where as a iPhone 5 with LTE gets 12Mbs in the same location. My gut tells me AT&T may be throttling back HSPA+ to free up bandwidth for LTE on their wired backbone. So while LTE may be overrated, AT&T in my area at least seems to be killing of HSPA+ in favor of LTE driven service.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
I think the explanation is that they wanted the unlocked Nexus 4 to be a 'world phone'. Not a world phone that has LTE that only works in a few parts of the world (I believe LTE is still quite fragmented).
How many markets/carriers is the iPhone 5 on? Surely that counts as a 'world phone'. Why is LTE fragmentation such an issue now for those who are interested in Android phones, whereas last year the when iP4S came out it wasn't?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I must say what a stupid day to announce this. Here in the USA all the news coverage is focused on hurricane Sandy. This will get zero news coverage.
So you're discussing products that no-one's heard about?
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
Google's plan is to suck all the hardware profits out of the Android ecosystem and go for maximum volume. And these manufacturers are too stupid to understand that basic goal
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Originally Posted by SuperTomcat
Wow... you should go fast and tell them.
It is amazing how there are people thinking they know more than big companies.
Sorry but Red Oak is absolutely right! Google, along with Amazon, are quickly driving innovative markets like smartphones and tablets to commodity status. The hardware manufacturers are idiots to let this happen as it also destroys their own margins / branded opportunities in the process. Its the same thing that MSFT did to the PC industry - no one makes money!!!!! Except in the wintel world, MSFT. It doesn't take a business genius to see this. Meanwhile, Google is stealing our own personal data, making billions off of us, while not compensating us, and while invading our privacy. Meanwhile they destroy other companies as they sell these products at a loss, just like Amazon.
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Originally Posted by FreeRange
Sorry but Red Oak is absolutely right! Google, along with Amazon, are quickly driving innovative markets like smartphones and tablets to commodity status. The hardware manufacturers are idiots to let this happen as it also destroys their own margins / branded opportunities in the process. Its the same thing that MSFT did to the PC industry - no one makes money!!!!! Except in the wintel world, MSFT. It doesn't take a business genius to see this. Meanwhile, Google is stealing our own personal data, making billions off of us, while not compensating us, and while invading our privacy. Meanwhile they destroy other companies as they sell these products at a loss, just like Amazon.
I agree as well. But Google had no choice. Amazon did it first, and since it was on an Android Fork and was outselling the other Androids, there was danger that the Android Tablet market, would really be the Amazon Tablet market. Amazon doesn't include Google Money making services. So Google really only had two choices, Surrender the market or launch it's own low/no margin tablet. They did the latter.
Their 10" is actually is more than I thought it would be. $400 leaves a lot of room for the Kindle Fire 8.9" at $300.