Who said anything about "Flagship" models!"? What a pathetic excuse. Apple doesn't have a flagship model, just an iPhone. It has LTE. Nexus does not have LTE.
Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.
My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.
My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.
Why does The Verge feel they have to make excuses for Google? If it was Apple, it would be criticised, no doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
TheVerge thinks they can explain it. Are they right? Dunno, and what TheVerge wrote didn't come from Google themselves.
"For Google, Nexus is a flagship brand that represents the best of Android, with Google leading by example to show other hardware manufacturers what Android can be. And though partners build the hardware, Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense."
MG Siegler has a better explanation: Carriers won't let Google push Android updates on regular Android phones. So Google releases an unlocked brand to showcase its latest Android software. But carriers only allow this on their terms (in this case, no LTE). Apple got their way because they "fought for the user. Google sold us out to sell some phones. Now the devil is collecting."
Yes, TMobile was announced as the premier launch partner.
But does it matter since it is unlocked? Google didn't need a launch partner for this unless they are interested in making it more than a reference model.
That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying. It would keep most readers from missing the relevance of a post
Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.
I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").
Not sure what you mean exactly. You can use this on ATT's network if you wanted but ATT isn't selling it, at least not yet. And without ATT's active assistance I doubt it will ever have LTE. To reiterate a point I made earlier, I think it serves more as evidence what the Nexus devices are introduced for, and it's not to be commercial successes nor compete with the Android licensees.
I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").
I've never seen that as an issue at any other forum I'm a member of, but for here that might be a good reason to quote.
MG Siegler has a better explanation: Carriers won't let Google push Android updates on regular Android phones. So Google releases an unlocked brand to showcase its latest Android software. But carriers only allow this on their terms (in this case, no LTE). Apple got their way because they "fought for the user. Google sold us out to sell some phones. Now the devil is collecting."
Well of course Mr. Siegler has a better explanation. I'm sure Daniel does too. MG's being just his typical self. Obviously Apple had iPhones to sell and deals to make. Google had no phones to sell. Somewhat different bargaining position, don't you think?
Interesting - Now Google has a real brand in Nexus, with 3 products spanning different sizes and utility. Particularly interesting that they use LG to make Nexus 4, Asus to make Nexus 7 and Samsung to make Samsung 10. Have they heard of a company called Motorola?
Yes, they have. It seems to be their patent-holder company.
I think the ipad 4 update was to counter that nexus 10 tablet. Apple is on the defensive in the tablet space. But the price are very agressive, not easy for Apple to counter this without hurting there margins. I still think Apple ecosystem, build quality and design are better and it may keep strong sales going on. They are after all, selling every phone and tablet they can make.
Apple is going to see operating margins improvement in Q2, it may pass that to the consumer by lowering there price. I dont think they will have a choice actually.
No one was taking Apple guidance seriously, so it was beating consensus that mattered. It may be that Cook is being more honest than Jobs, thus the smaller beats (yes, I know Q1 2012 is post-Jobs, but it takes time to change the culture).
The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop.
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real
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Originally Posted by sennen
Who said anything about "Flagship" models!"? What a pathetic excuse. Apple doesn't have a flagship model, just an iPhone. It has LTE. Nexus does not have LTE.
ummm... the poster I was responding to:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/153845/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-4-2/80#post_2221889
That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying. It would keep most readers from missing the relevance of a post
Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
It's only being launched on TMobile AFAIK, who doesn't have LTE.
Are you sure it is launched on TMobile alone?
Isn't it unlocked? If so, does it matter what carrier it is launched on?
My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.
Originally Posted by Rogifan
Why only T-Mobile?
Because it's the one carrier in the world on which Apple can't beat them in sales.
On T-Mobile, at least this thing has a REMOTE chance of becoming the "top-selling" device.
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
Are you sure it is launched on TMobile alone?
Yes, TMobile was announced as the premier launch partner.
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Originally Posted by sennen
My apologies. I still think it's very lame to release this Nexus phone without LTE. That should make it a non-starter for the myriad of people who complained about the lacks of such on the 4S.
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by sennen
Why does The Verge feel they have to make excuses for Google? If it was Apple, it would be criticised, no doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
TheVerge thinks they can explain it. Are they right? Dunno, and what TheVerge wrote didn't come from Google themselves.
"For Google, Nexus is a flagship brand that represents the best of Android, with Google leading by example to show other hardware manufacturers what Android can be. And though partners build the hardware, Google wants direct control of the software on Nexus devices with no carrier intervention. That alone means Google can't sell an LTE device, as there's simply no access to LTE networks without working with carriers in one way or another: Verizon and Sprint's LTE networks still require compatibility with their 3G CDMA systems, and there's essentially no such thing as an unlocked CDMA device. AT&T's fledgling LTE network runs on different frequencies than other LTE networks around the world, so Google would have to build a custom phone for just 77 markets in the US. Doing that without AT&T's financial assistance makes little sense."
MG Siegler has a better explanation: Carriers won't let Google push Android updates on regular Android phones. So Google releases an unlocked brand to showcase its latest Android software. But carriers only allow this on their terms (in this case, no LTE). Apple got their way because they "fought for the user. Google sold us out to sell some phones. Now the devil is collecting."
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Yes, TMobile was announced as the premier launch partner.
But does it matter since it is unlocked? Google didn't need a launch partner for this unless they are interested in making it more than a reference model.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
ummm... the poster I was responding to:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/153845/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-4-2/80#post_2221889
That's one reason everyone here tends to include the original comments when replying. It would keep most readers from missing the relevance of a post
Also FWIW, yes Nexus phones like the Galaxy Nexus have LTE. Just not this specific Nexus phone.
I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
But does it matter since it is unlocked?
Not sure what you mean exactly. You can use this on ATT's network if you wanted but ATT isn't selling it, at least not yet. And without ATT's active assistance I doubt it will ever have LTE. To reiterate a point I made earlier, I think it serves more as evidence what the Nexus devices are introduced for, and it's not to be commercial successes nor compete with the Android licensees.
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Originally Posted by Negafox
I tend to quote to prevent somebody from modifying their post to change the original context (e.g. pointing out somebody is wrong and they correct it acting like "what are you talking about?").
I've never seen that as an issue at any other forum I'm a member of, but for here that might be a good reason to quote.
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
MG Siegler has a better explanation: Carriers won't let Google push Android updates on regular Android phones. So Google releases an unlocked brand to showcase its latest Android software. But carriers only allow this on their terms (in this case, no LTE). Apple got their way because they "fought for the user. Google sold us out to sell some phones. Now the devil is collecting."
Well of course Mr. Siegler has a better explanation. I'm sure Daniel does too. MG's being just his typical self. Obviously Apple had iPhones to sell and deals to make. Google had no phones to sell. Somewhat different bargaining position, don't you think?
Give it 3 months before the nerds lust after something with more 1337 specs.
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I am? I read Apple here, and Nexus 10 here
Those 40 mm difference in width will make a deciding difference, I think...
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You're mistakenly comparing the width of the 10" display Nexus 10 to the iPad Mini rather than the full-size iPad.
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I am? I read Apple here, and Nexus 10 here
Those 40 mm difference in width will make a deciding difference, I think...
Didn't you say iPad Mini? See your original post. The Nexus 10 is a full-size tablet. The Nexus7 is closer in screen size to the iPad Mini.
Apple's iPad:
Height:
9.50 inches (241.2 mm)
Width:
7.31 inches (185.7 mm)
Depth:
0.37 inch (9.4 mm)
Weight:
1.44 pounds (652 g)
Nexus10 (Note that dimensions are in landscape while iPad is in portrait):
Size W: 10.39 in (263.9 mm) - taller than iPad
H: 6.99 in (177.6 mm) - narrower than iPad
Weight 1.33 lbs (603 g) - lighter than iPad
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Interesting - Now Google has a real brand in Nexus, with 3 products spanning different sizes and utility. Particularly interesting that they use LG to make Nexus 4, Asus to make Nexus 7 and Samsung to make Samsung 10. Have they heard of a company called Motorola?
Yes, they have. It seems to be their patent-holder company.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Apple didnt miss any of there guidance, but the beats are slowing down indeed.
PREVIOUS EARNINGS:
2010 Q1 (Ending 12/31/10) Guidance = $4.80; Actual = $6.43;(Beat = 40.0%)
2011 Q2 (Ending 3/31/11) Guidance = $4.90; Actual = $6.40; (Beat = 30.6%)
2011 Q3 (Ending 6/31/11) Guidance = $5.07; Actual = $7.79; (Beat = 53.6%)
2011 Q4 (Ending 9/24/11) Guidance = $5.50; Actual = $7.05 (Beat = 28.2%)
2012 Q1 (Ending 12/31/11) Guidance = $9.30; Actual = $13.87 (Beat = 49.1%)
2012 Q2 (Ending 3/31/12) Guidance = $8.50; Actual = $12.30 (Beat = 44.7%)
2012 Q3 (Ending 6/30/12) Guidance = $8.68; Actual = $9.32 (Beat = 7.4%)
2012 Q4 (Ending 6/30/12) Guidance = $7.65; Actual = $8.67 (Beat = 13.3%)
I think the ipad 4 update was to counter that nexus 10 tablet. Apple is on the defensive in the tablet space. But the price are very agressive, not easy for Apple to counter this without hurting there margins. I still think Apple ecosystem, build quality and design are better and it may keep strong sales going on. They are after all, selling every phone and tablet they can make.
Apple is going to see operating margins improvement in Q2, it may pass that to the consumer by lowering there price. I dont think they will have a choice actually.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop.
That is such bullshit. The Nexus 7" tablet is NOT there flagship tablet product? Get real