Well, it's better that you're now contradicting yourself when you claimed these people weren't investors. Now you're saying that they are, which makes everything a little better.
FFS. I said $400 wasn't an investment, obviously dashed with some hyperbole as yes, even a penny is an investment. The point I was trying to make has nothing to do with whether these *people* are "investors" or not — you guys are being overly pedantic. I was saying that $400 ALONE is not a significant investment, and I stand by the assertion that people who own a single share of a stock are not going to be making big waves in the market.
This is silly. I was talking about a single transaction, and exaggerating a bit to make a point. There's no need to take my original statement LITERALLY if I didn't make that clear, or dissect everything and suck the fun out of participating in these forums. I certainly wasn't talking about anyone's grandparents, and you seem just intent to prove that I said something I didn't mean whether or not it has anything to do with the actual point I was trying to make. Hey, maybe we're both wrong!
No. My point was, of course, that people struggling to buy a single share of AAPL don't matter in this equation. I don't imagine any number of investors at this level are in any position* to change the dynamics of the market. I wasn't talking about minimum amounts to be considered investment. It was an illustrative figure of speech, if you will, and clearly an untrue one if picked apart as you seem to be keen on doing. I don't see any reason to argue over this as it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, and I *get* what you're saying, it just doesn't matter.
Hopefully this response is more to your liking since you deleted the other one.
No. My point was, of course, that people struggling to buy a single share of AAPL don't matter in this equation. I don't imagine any number of investors at this level are in any position* to change the dynamics of the market.
And again, I don't believe that anyone was in disagreement with this point.
I wasn't talking about minimum amounts to be considered investment.
You explicitly stated the opposite of what you are claiming here.
…clearly an untrue one…
Why in the world would you base any legitimate argument on an untrue statement? Once again, I am not disagreeing that single investor owning a small number of shares does not have a lot of pull. So just say that instead of using lies to lead into your point.
Hopefully this response is more to your liking since you deleted the other one.
Sure; it's an actual response instead of a personal attack.
La clave pasa, a juicio del diseñador, por varios caminos, pero el primordial es seguir mirando hacia fuera, hacia el mercado internacional, un sector en el que, por otro lado, nadie "está esperando con los brazos abiertos".
Sure; it's an actual response instead of a personal attack.
So you delete personal attacks against yourself.
Will you do the same for others here? Personal attacks, instead of responses, are way too common in this forum. and seem to be totally ignored by the mods. (I was a CompuServe mod back in the 80s and we would've banned some of the offenders around here.)
Will you do the same for others here? Personal attacks, instead of responses, are way too common in this forum. and seem to be totally ignored by the mods. (I was a CompuServe mod back in the 80s and we would've banned some of the offenders around here.)
The beauty of being a moderator this particular one is just bent on silencing anyone who points out his ridiculousness
A week ago I flagged one of his own posts for calling another poster an idiot. He himself received that complaint and mentioned the complaint in a post on the same thread minutes later! It's important to understand that this forum is his playground. There are no higher authorities to appeal to, sadly.
Folks, the second I heard this "analyst" come out with a cartoon number of $1,111.11 I said AAPL was going to fall. That was when it was around $650 and the talking heads just HAD TO quote the price every 5 minutes. Unbeknownst to me a friend had purchased AAPL at $643 and I didn't hear the moans until it had fallen to below $500. AAPL is a pump and dump stock on steroids, for proof is that analyst still holding his shares? How did he manage to just wake up one day and say "Oops, I better revise that down to $888.88"? AAPL also confounded the talking heads when it closed on a Friday in December a exactly $500.00 because, what were hey going to talk about on Monday, since Apple stock wasn't above OR below $500 which is the all-important go to fill in for a few minutes of talking head time blah blah blah ad nauseum. And all those people who held on are lashing out at BBRY, how dare they try to regain their status. Don't they know about Apple TV, and that AAPL has $137 billion stashed overseas that they refuse to repatriate because that would mean paying taxes, after all it's just the little guy who pays taxes. You can buy 1 share of AAPL or 28 shares of BBRY. Which one will double from it's current level? Which one will increase dramatically from the upcoming short squeeze of 164 million shares (33% of the float)? Those shares of BBRY HAVE TO be bought back, more shares of AAPL do not have to be purchased. If you did get in AAPL at $650 and bought more today at $413, your average cost is now $531.50 just to break even. Soon you'll hear more lofty targets and those "analysts" will then be selling after making some more money because AAPL is no longer a growth stock. it pays less than 3% dividend, and Steve Jobs ain't coming back.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Well, it's better that you're now contradicting yourself when you claimed these people weren't investors. Now you're saying that they are, which makes everything a little better.
FFS. I said $400 wasn't an investment, obviously dashed with some hyperbole as yes, even a penny is an investment. The point I was trying to make has nothing to do with whether these *people* are "investors" or not — you guys are being overly pedantic. I was saying that $400 ALONE is not a significant investment, and I stand by the assertion that people who own a single share of a stock are not going to be making big waves in the market.
Originally Posted by fastasleep
I said $400 wasn't an investment, obviously dashed with some hyperbole as yes, even a penny is an investment.
So then you probably shouldn't have said it.
…you guys are being overly pedantic.
No, you're just lying to yourself.
I was saying that $400 ALONE is not a significant investment…
Originally Posted by fastasleep
$400 isn't an investment…
Looks like you're saying it's not an investment at all. Don't move goalposts.
…I stand by the assertion that people who own a single share of a stock are not going to be making big waves in the market.
I don't think either of us question that. Except where these people join together, of course.
This is silly. I was talking about a single transaction, and exaggerating a bit to make a point. There's no need to take my original statement LITERALLY if I didn't make that clear, or dissect everything and suck the fun out of participating in these forums. I certainly wasn't talking about anyone's grandparents, and you seem just intent to prove that I said something I didn't mean whether or not it has anything to do with the actual point I was trying to make. Hey, maybe we're both wrong!
Originally Posted by fast asleep
…exaggerating a bit to make a point.
Multiplication by zero equals zero. If any amount is an investment, no amount can be said not to be.
I certainly wasn't talking about anyone's grandparents…
No, you weren't, and no one said you were. Solipsism simply offered them as an example of this type of investor.
…and you seem just intent to prove that I said something I didn't mean…
Did you say anything you didn't mean beyond claiming there's a minimum size of investment required for it to even be called an investment?
Now I see how you made it to 20K posts. YOU WIN, congratulations.
No. My point was, of course, that people struggling to buy a single share of AAPL don't matter in this equation. I don't imagine any number of investors at this level are in any position* to change the dynamics of the market. I wasn't talking about minimum amounts to be considered investment. It was an illustrative figure of speech, if you will, and clearly an untrue one if picked apart as you seem to be keen on doing. I don't see any reason to argue over this as it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, and I *get* what you're saying, it just doesn't matter.
Hopefully this response is more to your liking since you deleted the other one.
Originally Posted by fastasleep
No. My point was, of course, that people struggling to buy a single share of AAPL don't matter in this equation. I don't imagine any number of investors at this level are in any position* to change the dynamics of the market.
And again, I don't believe that anyone was in disagreement with this point.
I wasn't talking about minimum amounts to be considered investment.
You explicitly stated the opposite of what you are claiming here.
…clearly an untrue one…
Why in the world would you base any legitimate argument on an untrue statement? Once again, I am not disagreeing that single investor owning a small number of shares does not have a lot of pull. So just say that instead of using lies to lead into your point.
Hopefully this response is more to your liking since you deleted the other one.
Sure; it's an actual response instead of a personal attack.
Maybe you missed the part where I said it was intended as hyperbole. But sure, lies.
Happy Friday!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Sure; it's an actual response instead of a personal attack.
So you delete personal attacks against yourself.
Will you do the same for others here? Personal attacks, instead of responses, are way too common in this forum. and seem to be totally ignored by the mods. (I was a CompuServe mod back in the 80s and we would've banned some of the offenders around here.)
Originally Posted by KDarling
So you delete personal attacks against yourself.
I normally leave them for myself.
Will you do the same for others here?
Of course! If you see something that violates our rules, please do report it:
and it will be looked over by myself, JeffDM, Marvin, melgross, Mr. H, or… Well, I guess those're the only active mods anymore.
The beauty of being a moderator
A week ago I flagged one of his own posts for calling another poster an idiot. He himself received that complaint and mentioned the complaint in a post on the same thread minutes later! It's important to understand that this forum is his playground. There are no higher authorities to appeal to, sadly.
And all those people who held on are lashing out at BBRY, how dare they try to regain their status. Don't they know about Apple TV, and that AAPL has $137 billion stashed overseas that they refuse to repatriate because that would mean paying taxes, after all it's just the little guy who pays taxes.
You can buy 1 share of AAPL or 28 shares of BBRY. Which one will double from it's current level? Which one will increase dramatically from the upcoming short squeeze of 164 million shares (33% of the float)? Those shares of BBRY HAVE TO be bought back, more shares of AAPL do not have to be purchased. If you did get in AAPL at $650 and bought more today at $413, your average cost is now $531.50 just to break even. Soon you'll hear more lofty targets and those "analysts" will then be selling after making some more money because AAPL is no longer a growth stock. it pays less than 3% dividend, and Steve Jobs ain't coming back.