I highly suspect that those slamming the parents, don't have any young kids of their own.
The IAP thing happened to us last year. Wife downloaded a game, gave the iPad to our daughter, ended up with $250 of purchases within minutes. Fully expecting to pay for this mistake, we wrote Apple to simply ask how to prevent it in the future. Apple voluntarily responded that they would remove the charges and sent a form email with instructions on how to turn off the "feature".
Mind you, our daughter had used Android tablets for years before this... without any problem. (She had preferred them because of all the online kid's apps that were based on Flash.) Such games almost always have fake money to buy game options, and kids get used to that.
So we thought we doing good when we let her use an iPad instead, after she had expressed an interest in Apple products as she got older. We figured that Apple, of all companies, would not have a system that was less kid and parent friendly than Android.
It's heavily ironic that people will promote Apple's products as "they just work", and the iPad as "usable by even babies", and then turn around and claim buyers should know about every setting menu, in order to turn off something that should've been off by default in the first place.
Timeline iOS 4.3 was released in March 2011, "many years" there were no Android tablets before 2010.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
As I pointed out, my daughter used Android because of very large and popular Flash based child games (e.g. Moshi Monsters).
Those were not written for Android. They were written for laptop and desktop usage.
Their revenue comes from getting a fair number of parents to sign up for a small monthly fee that covers everything.
If it was a Gingerbread tablet perhaps, but Gingerbread was released in December 2010, 4 months before iOS 4.3, the "many years" is getting shakier.
A Froyo tablet might fit the bill, although not optimal but they started appearing less than a year before iOS 4.3, low powered cpu's, graphics and RAM, you expect anyone with a modicum of sense to believe that your "daughter" was playing Flash based games, designed for mouse and keyboard inputs on one of those underpowered tablets, even Adobe and Google dropped support for Flash with Jelly Bean in June 2012 and that was on far higher powered devices.
"many years"
It comes down to the "many years" being a lie, having established that how much of the rest of your posts are based on blatant lies?
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
Apple should not pay a cent. If these idiotic and extremely lazy parents cannot bother to place restrictions for in app purchases. They are liable for any and all costs incurred.
I highly suspect that those slamming the parents, don't have any young kids of their own.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">The IAP </span>
<span style="line-height:1.231;">thing happened to us last year. Wife downloaded a game, gave the iPad to our daughter, ended up with $250 of purchases within minutes. Fully expecting to pay for this mistake, we wrote Apple to simply ask how to prevent it in the future. Apple voluntarily responded that they would remove the charges and sent a form email with instructions on how to turn off the "feature". </span>
Mind you, our daughter had used Android tablets for years before this... without any problem. (She had preferred them because of all the online kid's apps that were based on Flash.) Such games almost always have fake money to buy game options, and kids get used to that.
So we thought we doing good when we let her use an iPad instead, after she had expressed an interest in Apple products as she got older. We figured that Apple, of all companies, would not have a system that was less kid and parent friendly than Android.
It's heavily ironic that people will promote Apple's products as "they just work", and the iPad as "usable by even babies", and then turn around and claim buyers should know about every setting menu, in order to turn off something that should've been off by default in the first place.
So the iDevices have 100 page manuals do they?
You are such a troll.
By the way I have children. They have no access to passwords and I have restrictions on many many things, not just in app purchases. I took the time and effort, 5 mins per iDevice.
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
Ridiculous request, as tho it's any of your business.
No one has ever demanded a receipt as proof of any of the Android phones you've claimed to own, or a paycheck stub to prove you really worked for a cell provider. We just take your word for it. If you don't bother or choose not to provide written documentation for some past or future claim of yours is that proof you're a liar? You won't use any Google services for fear of your "privacy" being invaded by an ad yet demand someone else give up their's or be marked as dishonest, which you'll likely do anyway.
Out of 23 million potential refunds I'm sure there's more than two in the $250 range.
Timeline iOS 4.3 was released in March 2011, "many years" there were no Android tablets before 2010.
If it was a Gingerbread tablet perhaps, but Gingerbread was released in December 2010, 4 months before iOS 4.3, the "many years" is getting shakier.
A Froyo tablet might fit the bill, although not optimal but they started appearing less than a year before iOS 4.3, low powered cpu's, graphics and RAM, you expect anyone with a modicum of sense to believe that your "daughter" was playing Flash based games, designed for mouse and keyboard inputs on one of those underpowered tablets, even Adobe and Google dropped support for Flash with Jelly Bean in June 2012 and that was on far higher powered devices.
"many years"
It comes down to the "many years" being a lie, having established that how much of the rest of your posts are based on blatant lies?
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
Ridiculous request, as tho it's any of your business.
No one has ever demanded a receipt as proof of any of the Android phones you've claimed to own, or a paycheck stub to prove you really worked for a cell provider. We just take your word for it. If you don't bother or choose not to provide written documentation for some past or future claim of yours is that proof you're a liar? You won't use any Google services for fear of your "privacy" being invaded by an ad yet demand someone else give up their's or be marked as dishonest, which you'll likely do anyway.
Out of 23 million potential refunds I'm sure there's more than two in the $250 range.
It's an unusual coincidence that two posters here, had expenditures of exactly $250 each, one of whom apparently had a daughter who was using Android tablets "many years" before they even existed.
Welcome to the twilight zone.
btw you like these?
As far as I know, you can't buy them, you have to earn them.
Timeline iOS 4.3 was released in March 2011, "many years" there were no Android tablets before 2010.
If it was a Gingerbread tablet perhaps, but Gingerbread was released in December 2010, 4 months before iOS 4.3, the "many years" is getting shakier.
A Froyo tablet might fit the bill, although not optimal but they started appearing less than a year before iOS 4.3, low powered cpu's, graphics and RAM, you expect anyone with a modicum of sense to believe that your "daughter" was playing Flash based games, designed for mouse and keyboard inputs on one of those underpowered tablets, even Adobe and Google dropped support for Flash with Jelly Bean in June 2012 and that was on far higher powered devices.
"many years"
It comes down to the "many years" being a lie, having established that how much of the rest of your posts are based on blatant lies?
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
First, feel free to review my post history before calling me a troll. Nothing is farther from the truth.
Second, note that I said Apple was kind enough to refund our money, so I have zero complaints. They refunded it within 3 days...excellent customer service.
My point simply is that the IAP should default to the safest setting, particularly if an app is targeted at kids. My kid is 5...barely learning to read. We now have the error fixed, lesson learned.
Finally, I'm not giving you any receipts if that is what you want. The app purchased was a teachers app for special needs children. My kid must have found the banner interesting and clicked on it
It's an unusual coincidence that two posters here, had expenditures of exactly $250 each, one of whom apparently had a daughter who was using Android tablets "many years" before they even existed.
Welcome to the twilight zone.
I never mentioned Android lol. I have never owned an Android tablet. Even phones...My first smart phone was a BB curve, then an original Droid, then iPhones ever since.
I never mentioned Android lol. I have never owned an Android tablet. Even phones...My first smart phone was a BB curve, then an original Droid, then iPhones ever since.
Perhaps KDarling simply hitched a ride on your story and copied the $250 figure while embellishing and reposting it.
Perhaps KDarling simply hitched a ride on your story and copied the $250 figure while embellishing and reposting it.
Can't comment there. I am sure there multiple cases involving apps in the $250 range, especially if someone were looking in the business or education sections.
All I can say is my wife and I learned a lesson but we also were refunded the money, so I have no need of any settlement funds from Apple.
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
You don't get to make such demands. There is so much proof online of this problem, it's not even funny. A lot of them quote the $200-300 range, too... which is probably related to the time period involved. However, in this case, I still have the emails to prove you wrong:
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfts
So the iDevices have 100 page manuals do they?
You are such a troll.
Those who cry "troll" are usually one themselves, and are just trying to cover up their ignorance.
Comment: it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple. If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.
It's an unusual coincidence that two posters here, had expenditures of exactly $250 each, one of whom apparently had a daughter who was using Android tablets "many years" before they even existed.
Welcome to the twilight zone.
btw you like these?
As far as I know, you can't buy them, you have to earn them.
I've no idea what those are, but they look interesting. What are they? I assume they're meant as proof that you're of good character or something like that? If so, no one has gone to the extent of calling you a liar as you did with KD. I would hope that if that image is supposed to be evidence for your integrity you'd display more of it by apologizing to KDarling for going so far as you did in questioning his. Way too much in the way of trollish claims in this forum.
A mandatory IQ test would be great in order to sign up! I like freedom, love the US, but man, the internet? Duh..
I've been posting online under my own name for over 30 years, starting with local BBSes.
Later, I was a sysop on CompuServe. So I know a bit about proper (and bad) admin behavior as well.
When I got started on the internet (Usenet), only government workers and college kids were around. There were still lots of flamewars, but at least the posts were usually very intelligent and well written... because otherwise the poster would get rightfully slammed
Something could be said for the higher schooling of most people online back then.
Comment: it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple. If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.
The funny thing is that many countries already have consumer laws in place to protect both parties in these types of transactions. Consumers have rights to cancel contracts & return physical goods within reasonable time limits. Digital goods are increasingly being covered by similar laws, even though Apple's terms & conditions may infer otherwise, you don't sign away statutory rights by agreeing to other licenses.
Despite peoples opinions that the parents should pay all the costs, the reality is that in many countries the law already has covered this issue & the parents have the right to cancel and to request a refund.
I can't believe the lengths SolipsismX went to to tear down dasanman69 for suggesting that the store had some snakes in the grass, how can it be appropriate for a childs game to have in game tokens that cost $99? Apple put this system in place & this is the results of their choices, bad actors will exploit every system.
I can't believe the lengths SolipsismX went to to tear down dasanman69 for suggesting that the store had some snakes in the grass, how can it be appropriate for a childs game to have in game tokens that cost $99? Apple put this system in place & this is the results of their choices, bad actors will exploit every system.
Clearly you didn't read my posts in this thread or you're trolling. If the latter then well done.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
But that was pre iOS 4.3, was it not? My comments are all based on post iOS 4.3. iOS 4.3 was a long time ago.
Which is what the lawsuit is about...
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
I highly suspect that those slamming the parents, don't have any young kids of their own.
The IAP thing happened to us last year. Wife downloaded a game, gave the iPad to our daughter, ended up with $250 of purchases within minutes. Fully expecting to pay for this mistake, we wrote Apple to simply ask how to prevent it in the future. Apple voluntarily responded that they would remove the charges and sent a form email with instructions on how to turn off the "feature".
Mind you, our daughter had used Android tablets for years before this... without any problem. (She had preferred them because of all the online kid's apps that were based on Flash.) Such games almost always have fake money to buy game options, and kids get used to that.
So we thought we doing good when we let her use an iPad instead, after she had expressed an interest in Apple products as she got older. We figured that Apple, of all companies, would not have a system that was less kid and parent friendly than Android.
It's heavily ironic that people will promote Apple's products as "they just work", and the iPad as "usable by even babies", and then turn around and claim buyers should know about every setting menu, in order to turn off something that should've been off by default in the first place.
Timeline iOS 4.3 was released in March 2011, "many years" there were no Android tablets before 2010.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
As I pointed out, my daughter used Android because of very large and popular Flash based child games (e.g. Moshi Monsters).
Those were not written for Android. They were written for laptop and desktop usage.
Their revenue comes from getting a fair number of parents to sign up for a small monthly fee that covers everything.
If it was a Gingerbread tablet perhaps, but Gingerbread was released in December 2010, 4 months before iOS 4.3, the "many years" is getting shakier.
A Froyo tablet might fit the bill, although not optimal but they started appearing less than a year before iOS 4.3, low powered cpu's, graphics and RAM, you expect anyone with a modicum of sense to believe that your "daughter" was playing Flash based games, designed for mouse and keyboard inputs on one of those underpowered tablets, even Adobe and Google dropped support for Flash with Jelly Bean in June 2012 and that was on far higher powered devices.
"many years"
It comes down to the "many years" being a lie, having established that how much of the rest of your posts are based on blatant lies?
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
If these idiotic and extremely lazy parents cannot bother to place restrictions for in app purchases.
They are liable for any and all costs incurred.
You are such a troll.
They have no access to passwords and I have restrictions on many many things, not just in app purchases.
I took the time and effort, 5 mins per iDevice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
Ridiculous request, as tho it's any of your business.
No one has ever demanded a receipt as proof of any of the Android phones you've claimed to own, or a paycheck stub to prove you really worked for a cell provider. We just take your word for it. If you don't bother or choose not to provide written documentation for some past or future claim of yours is that proof you're a liar? You won't use any Google services for fear of your "privacy" being invaded by an ad yet demand someone else give up their's or be marked as dishonest, which you'll likely do anyway.
Out of 23 million potential refunds I'm sure there's more than two in the $250 range.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Ridiculous request, as tho it's any of your business.
No one has ever demanded a receipt as proof of any of the Android phones you've claimed to own, or a paycheck stub to prove you really worked for a cell provider. We just take your word for it. If you don't bother or choose not to provide written documentation for some past or future claim of yours is that proof you're a liar? You won't use any Google services for fear of your "privacy" being invaded by an ad yet demand someone else give up their's or be marked as dishonest, which you'll likely do anyway.
Out of 23 million potential refunds I'm sure there's more than two in the $250 range.
It's an unusual coincidence that two posters here, had expenditures of exactly $250 each, one of whom apparently had a daughter who was using Android tablets "many years" before they even existed.
Welcome to the twilight zone.
btw you like these?
As far as I know, you can't buy them, you have to earn them.
First, feel free to review my post history before calling me a troll. Nothing is farther from the truth.
Second, note that I said Apple was kind enough to refund our money, so I have zero complaints. They refunded it within 3 days...excellent customer service.
My point simply is that the IAP should default to the safest setting, particularly if an app is targeted at kids. My kid is 5...barely learning to read. We now have the error fixed, lesson learned.
Finally, I'm not giving you any receipts if that is what you want. The app purchased was a teachers app for special needs children. My kid must have found the banner interesting and clicked on it
Good day.
I never mentioned Android lol. I have never owned an Android tablet. Even phones...My first smart phone was a BB curve, then an original Droid, then iPhones ever since.
Edit: I see you said one poster, my bad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by allenbf
I never mentioned Android lol. I have never owned an Android tablet. Even phones...My first smart phone was a BB curve, then an original Droid, then iPhones ever since.
Perhaps KDarling simply hitched a ride on your story and copied the $250 figure while embellishing and reposting it.
Can't comment there. I am sure there multiple cases involving apps in the $250 range, especially if someone were looking in the business or education sections.
All I can say is my wife and I learned a lesson but we also were refunded the money, so I have no need of any settlement funds from Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
PS I am still waiting on a breakdown of the $250 expenses you and allenbf both coincidentally incurred which I asked for in this post.
You don't get to make such demands. There is so much proof online of this problem, it's not even funny. A lot of them quote the $200-300 range, too... which is probably related to the time period involved. However, in this case, I still have the emails to prove you wrong:
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfts
So the iDevices have 100 page manuals do they?
You are such a troll.
Those who cry "troll" are usually one themselves, and are just trying to cover up their ignorance.
The iPad 2 user manual alone is almost 190 pages.
Comment: it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple. If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.
You went much further than I would have to appease Hill60, who will still impugn your character anyway with nary an apology.
A mandatory IQ test would be great in order to sign up! I like freedom, love the US, but man, the internet? Duh..
@KDarling: that is one fugly email client you found there
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
It's an unusual coincidence that two posters here, had expenditures of exactly $250 each, one of whom apparently had a daughter who was using Android tablets "many years" before they even existed.
Welcome to the twilight zone.
btw you like these?
As far as I know, you can't buy them, you have to earn them.
I've no idea what those are, but they look interesting. What are they? I assume they're meant as proof that you're of good character or something like that? If so, no one has gone to the extent of calling you a liar as you did with KD. I would hope that if that image is supposed to be evidence for your integrity you'd display more of it by apologizing to KDarling for going so far as you did in questioning his. Way too much in the way of trollish claims in this forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
A mandatory IQ test would be great in order to sign up! I like freedom, love the US, but man, the internet? Duh..
I've been posting online under my own name for over 30 years, starting with local BBSes.
Later, I was a sysop on CompuServe. So I know a bit about proper (and bad) admin behavior as well.
When I got started on the internet (Usenet), only government workers and college kids were around. There were still lots of flamewars, but at least the posts were usually very intelligent and well written... because otherwise the poster would get rightfully slammed
Something could be said for the higher schooling of most people online back then.
Then came the September that Never Ended, and everything went downhill.
@KDarling: that is one fugly email client you found there
Yep, it is. That's my old laptop with Outlook that I originally used for iTunes. (I got a MacBook later, but didn't feel like starting over.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
Those who cry "troll" are usually one themselves, and are just trying to cover up their ignorance.
The iPad 2 user manual alone is almost 190 pages.
Comment: it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple. If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.
The funny thing is that many countries already have consumer laws in place to protect both parties in these types of transactions. Consumers have rights to cancel contracts & return physical goods within reasonable time limits. Digital goods are increasingly being covered by similar laws, even though Apple's terms & conditions may infer otherwise, you don't sign away statutory rights by agreeing to other licenses.
Despite peoples opinions that the parents should pay all the costs, the reality is that in many countries the law already has covered this issue & the parents have the right to cancel and to request a refund.
I can't believe the lengths SolipsismX went to to tear down dasanman69 for suggesting that the store had some snakes in the grass, how can it be appropriate for a childs game to have in game tokens that cost $99? Apple put this system in place & this is the results of their choices, bad actors will exploit every system.
Clearly you didn't read my posts in this thread or you're trolling. If the latter then well done.
Lol. Dumbest thing said so far from anyone.
A-"I drove a car before- its basically the same thing as piloting a submarine"
B-"Have you ever piloted a submarine"
A-"Well, no... But I know what it'd be like..."
Apple ][- you're always great for a laugh.