You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
For somebody who is supposed to be a "computing pioneer", he seems rather close minded and old fashioned.
The iPad and iOS devices have opened up computing to whole new groups of people, people who would never even interact with computers before. iOS devices are being used by everybody from babies to senior citizens, groups who would never even go near a computer in the past.
And one of the reasons he gives for the iPad being poor is that people can't download an Etoy?
At first I thought to myself, what the hell is an Etoy, so I quickly found out what it was.
This is one of the most amateurish sites that I've ever seen, and it looks like it hasn't been updated in many years. Seriously, who gives a shit about Etoys? Screw Etoys.
Apple with the iPad and iPhone goes even further and does not allow children to download an Etoy made by another child somewhere in the world. This could not be farther from the original intentions of the entire ARPA-IPTO/PARC community in the ’60s and ’70s.
And who gives a shit about what the original intentions of what some group thought back in the 60's in the 70's, probably wacked out of their minds on LSD? If they don't like it, let them make their own device. If somebody doesn't like the state of current computing, then go change it, make your own. Don't sit around reminiscing about ancient times and whining about the present, because it only makes somebody look real old and extremely out of touch.
His criticisms might carry more weight if they were more specific than, "a myriad of ways."
That was my thought. What are the errors in the PARC GUI that are still there? I found his criticisms short on details. This is not to say he does not have a valued voice but I would have liked to hear many more specifics.
It's his opinion...no big deal. I wish the article went into more detail about how he envisions something like the iPad rather than just writing how he criticized Apple.
Quit being so defensive of Apple. It's a horrible trait and ruins interesting discussion.
I don't care that he criticized Apple. What annoys me is that he had some fanciful idea of what a tablet could be, but did not do anything to, you know...actually develop one. Then he comes across sounding pissy because a company that has to monetize its creations, didn't live up to his ideal.
If he's so smart and influential then there is nothing stopping him from forming a start up, forking android, and building his ultimate creation.
You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
Much of the above comments pretty much say what I would have. I think this guy was mentioned in the Steve Jobs biography. In short, I would say this guy is bitter because he couldn't bring his concept to fruition, where Steve Jobs did. Unlock the potential?--well that is where Android comes in (i.e. open source). Yet, I think the market tells us that right now Apple has set the standard and the bar to beat.
Asked if the Dynabook has not, in fact, been realized in the form of the notebook computer, tablet, and smartphone, Kay said he believes those devices largely miss the point. Apple's iPad ? and the wider computing environment, by extension ? falls short of the Dynabook's ideal, Kay says, since it lacks the capacity to enable "symmetric authoring and consuming."
A company like Apple doesn't follow anyone ideal. They make the product and most of the time set the trend for the rest of the technology to follow.
"One way to think of all of these organizations," Kay said, "is to realize that if they require a charismatic leader who will shoot people in the knees when needed, then the corporate organization and process is a failure. It means no group can come up with a good decision and make it stick just because it is a good idea."
What an idiotic statement. Yeah, SJs leadership style clearly failed. It's why he was able toresurrect Apple from the dead and make it the most successful company on the planet. It's why under his leadership Apple was able to reshape multiple industries and introduce concepts which are now standard across the entire tech landscape. It's why almost every company on the planet have tried to emulate pretty much every management philosophy he ever had.
I'm glad that Kay has enlightened us about how Apple has a failed corporate organization. I wonder what a successful one looks like.
You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
And the person who is writing the Time article is obviously totally clueless, because they wrote this:
And when I first saw Microsoft‘s Surface tablet last June, a Kay maxim helped me understand it: “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.”
Hahahahaha.
Steve Jobs quoted that exact line from Kay many years ago in an Apple Keynote, long before the flop of a tablet known as the Surface was ever released.
It's his opinion...no big deal. I wish the article went into more detail about how he envisions something like the iPad rather than just writing how he criticized Apple.
You know, you could use a search engine and inform yourself. Try... Google! OMG, I forgot, you can't use Google because is made by the ENEMY, and since Apple doens't have a search engine, you have to rely only on Apple Insider for information!
I'm all for him criticising the iPad, but I'd like to see what he'd change, specifically.
The guy does not have a single constructive thing to offer.
Nor do you (in your berating of other posters). Why don't you tell us why you're "... all for him criticising the iPad"? What specifically would you criticize?
His criticisms might carry more weight if they were more specific than, "a myriad of ways."
Agreed. Without saying why, it's empty rhetoric. I have respect for what pioneers have started, but you have to update your thinking to remain relevant.
It's his opinion...no big deal. I wish the article went into more detail about how he envisions something like the iPad rather than just writing how he criticized Apple.
You know, you could use a search engine and inform yourself. Try... Google! OMG, I forgot, you can't use Google because is made by the ENEMY, and since Apple doens't have a search engine, you have to rely only on Apple Insider for information!
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You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
Kay is one of the fathers of the idea of object-oriented programming, which he named, along with some colleagues at PARC and predecessors at the Norwegian Computing Center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
Wow... He got slammed by the narrow-minded Apple faithful. Who would have guessed that?
For somebody who is supposed to be a "computing pioneer", he seems rather close minded and old fashioned.
The iPad and iOS devices have opened up computing to whole new groups of people, people who would never even interact with computers before. iOS devices are being used by everybody from babies to senior citizens, groups who would never even go near a computer in the past.
And one of the reasons he gives for the iPad being poor is that people can't download an Etoy?
At first I thought to myself, what the hell is an Etoy, so I quickly found out what it was.
This is one of the most amateurish sites that I've ever seen, and it looks like it hasn't been updated in many years. Seriously, who gives a shit about Etoys? Screw Etoys.
http://www.squeakland.org/
Apple with the iPad and iPhone goes even further and does not allow children to download an Etoy made by another child somewhere in the world. This could not be farther from the original intentions of the entire ARPA-IPTO/PARC community in the ’60s and ’70s.
And who gives a shit about what the original intentions of what some group thought back in the 60's in the 70's, probably wacked out of their minds on LSD? If they don't like it, let them make their own device. If somebody doesn't like the state of current computing, then go change it, make your own. Don't sit around reminiscing about ancient times and whining about the present, because it only makes somebody look real old and extremely out of touch.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
His criticisms might carry more weight if they were more specific than, "a myriad of ways."
That was my thought. What are the errors in the PARC GUI that are still there? I found his criticisms short on details. This is not to say he does not have a valued voice but I would have liked to hear many more specifics.
If he's so smart and influential then there is nothing stopping him from forming a start up, forking android, and building his ultimate creation.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
Kay is one of the fathers of the idea of object-oriented programming, which he named, along with some colleagues at PARC and predecessors at the Norwegian Computing Center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
How do you know we don't know who he is? I knew who he is just from his name. I didn't have to go to wikipedia to find out.
He still sounds like a butthurt crotchety old man who failed to deliver a vision that the world wanted.
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Asked if the Dynabook has not, in fact, been realized in the form of the notebook computer, tablet, and smartphone, Kay said he believes those devices largely miss the point. Apple's iPad ? and the wider computing environment, by extension ? falls short of the Dynabook's ideal, Kay says, since it lacks the capacity to enable "symmetric authoring and consuming."
A company like Apple doesn't follow anyone ideal. They make the product and most of the time set the trend for the rest of the technology to follow.
What an idiotic statement. Yeah, SJs leadership style clearly failed. It's why he was able toresurrect Apple from the dead and make it the most successful company on the planet. It's why under his leadership Apple was able to reshape multiple industries and introduce concepts which are now standard across the entire tech landscape. It's why almost every company on the planet have tried to emulate pretty much every management philosophy he ever had.
I'm glad that Kay has enlightened us about how Apple has a failed corporate organization. I wonder what a successful one looks like.
All these "former" Apple employees, CEO's, engineers always come out and bash Apple products.
Maybe that's why they're "former" and not currently with Apple.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
You are a bunch of Apple fanatics! You don't even know who Alan Kay is:
"In 1970, Kay joined Xerox Corporation's Palo Alto Research Center, PARC. In the 1970s he was one of the key members there to develop prototypes of networked workstations using the programming language Smalltalk. These inventions were later commercialized by Apple Computer in their Lisa and Macintosh computers.
Kay is one of the fathers of the idea of object-oriented programming, which he named, along with some colleagues at PARC and predecessors at the Norwegian Computing Center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
Big whoop. What's he worked on lately? He sounds like another Woz. They love to criticize, but have they done anything lately themselves.
And he's not just criticizing Apple, he's criticizing all computing in general (Android, Win8, Blackberry). So it's not about being Apple fanatics.
Why didn't his Dynabook thingy become "the" big thing if it's so great?
And the person who is writing the Time article is obviously totally clueless, because they wrote this:
And when I first saw Microsoft‘s Surface tablet last June, a Kay maxim helped me understand it: “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.”
Hahahahaha.
Steve Jobs quoted that exact line from Kay many years ago in an Apple Keynote, long before the flop of a tablet known as the Surface was ever released.
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Originally Posted by fishstick_kitty
It's his opinion...no big deal. I wish the article went into more detail about how he envisions something like the iPad rather than just writing how he criticized Apple.
You know, you could use a search engine and inform yourself. Try... Google! OMG, I forgot, you can't use Google because is made by the ENEMY, and since Apple doens't have a search engine, you have to rely only on Apple Insider for information!
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Originally Posted by Ireland
That's not the best counter-argument.
I'm all for him criticising the iPad, but I'd like to see what he'd change, specifically.
The guy does not have a single constructive thing to offer.
Nor do you (in your berating of other posters). Why don't you tell us why you're "... all for him criticising the iPad"? What specifically would you criticize?
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
All these "former" Apple employees, CEO's, engineers always come out and bash Apple products.
I know everyone thinks he's cute and all, but one of the worst offenders on this score is Woz.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
His criticisms might carry more weight if they were more specific than, "a myriad of ways."
Agreed. Without saying why, it's empty rhetoric. I have respect for what pioneers have started, but you have to update your thinking to remain relevant.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
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Originally Posted by fishstick_kitty
It's his opinion...no big deal. I wish the article went into more detail about how he envisions something like the iPad rather than just writing how he criticized Apple.
You know, you could use a search engine and inform yourself. Try... Google! OMG, I forgot, you can't use Google because is made by the ENEMY, and since Apple doens't have a search engine, you have to rely only on Apple Insider for information!
Grow up.