What do the masses know? (You can't have it both ways). Those in the know know. Learn the code.
What? You claimed that the phone was a boring update and appear to say that this was one major reason why their stock was tanking. And then when faced with the fact that the phone was actually selling quite well you say it is because people are stupid? What point are you actually trying to make? Is it that the phone is partly responsible for apples stock tanking or are you just saying you think it was a boring update in your opinion?
I think that part of the problem with Apples share price has been the rather lack of an exciting product since the 15" retina MacBook Pro.
All other products have simply been spec bumps.
With a (hopefully) large iOS refresh amongst other things the last 3 months or so of this year may actually make Apple exciting again.
Wait, the share price dropped 40% because the iPad Mini, the iPhone 5, the 13" Retina Macbook, and the 128GB Retina iPad were just "unexciting spec bumps"…?
Please...
The share price should not be affected like it was (a 40% decline) simply because their 'product release schedule' hasn't been exciting to some people.
During the same declining period, their profits increased (except the most recent quarter), they managed sales records each and every quarter (including the most recent), and continue to dominate in real market share. That's what should drive share value. A slight downturn in margins (or perceived "excitement") doesn't justify the depression in price either.
Apple's products are excellent, consistent, and continue to improve incrementally. I don't need exciting, I need functional and excellent products. I get that from them. That said, they no doubt have plenty of interesting (aka exciting) products in the pipeline. I'm looking forward to them.
What does any of that have to do with share price, if they continue to dominate the market and sell+profit more than anyone else?
Add to that the Apple Maps flop, NYTimes Pulitzer prize Apple bashing and the perception that Tim Cook needs his own Tim Cook to fly to China to handle the supply end of things, etc.
The iPhone5 was probably the least exciting of any iPhone ever. Many have yet to upgrade from the practically perfect 4S- even Cook was caught lugging around a 4S.
Right, which explains why the iPhone 5 has outsold all previous models...
What? You claimed that the phone was a boring update and appear to say that this was one major reason why their stock was tanking. And then when faced with the fact that the phone was actually selling quite well you say it is because people are stupid? What point are you actually trying to make? Is it that the phone is partly responsible for apples stock tanking or are you just saying you think it was a boring update in your opinion?
It must really irk these trolls to be surrounded by so many stupid people. Perhaps they ought to spend more time in their crowded, local Apple store, basking in their superiority.
It must really irk these trolls to be surrounded by so many stupid people. Perhaps they ought to spend more time in their crowded, local Apple store, basking in their superiority.
Based on the trollish comments on AI the only way Apple's stock could be rebounding are 1) Tim Cook was canned, 2) Apple opened up iOS, or 3) Apple is licensing Mac OS X to Dell and HP.
Don't forget the 20 different models of the iPhone.
Still I think they should have staggered product releases.
The only 2 things I would have done differently so far is embrace blu-ray on Macs and made the iPhone 5 screen much bigger. Other than that, I think they're making all the right moves.
Analysts such as Reitzes have been wrong so many times,it worries me when he say the price is going up (maybe he looked at the share price on his computer). You know with analysts that either: (1) They don't know what they are talking about and just following the herd. (2) They are trying to set an agenda based on a long or a short position. What you should never do is follow their advice!
I think that part of the problem with Apples share price has been the rather lack of an exciting product since the 15" retina MacBook Pro.
Not at all! 4 or 5 years between truly new products Is pretty amazing for just about any company.
All other products have simply been spec bumps.
This isn't true at all either.
Take the iPad for example, which people see as a spec bump. That is all well and good but it totally dismisses the innovation of the new processor in these machines. Like it or not that is a truly new product within a product and is the result of some very non trivial development work. Apples processor technology may very well have as much of an impact on the company as the iPod or the Mac.
With a (hopefully) large iOS refresh amongst other things the last 3 months or so of this year may actually make Apple exciting again.
I've never understood this idea that an OS can make a company exciting again. I Can see an operating system making developers excited but that is another thing altogether. After all, all it does is support the apps running on the machine. If you want to excite me, fix the iWorks apps so that files work on both platforms without conversion.
The bigger issue is that iOS is rather mature technology. What do you rationally add to it to make it better?
Based on the trollish comments on AI the only way Apple's stock could be rebounding are 1) Tim Cook was canned, 2) Apple opened up iOS, or 3) Apple is licensing Mac OS X to Dell and HP.
You've forgotten the following:
- Apple has to launch a cheaper phone.
- Apple has to launch phone with a larger screen.
- Apple has to launch larger yet cheaper phone.
Just imagine how high $APPL will climb if all these "has-to's" come to be.
That is all well and good but it totally dismisses the innovation of the new processor in these machines. Like it or not that is a truly new product within a product and is the result of some very non trivial development work. Apples processor technology may very well have as much of an impact on the company as the iPod or the Mac.
I appreciate someone who appreciates technology. But I think you're going too far. Nonetheless, I like the way you think on this front.
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EDIT: Besides the dividend and stock buy back of course...
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Originally Posted by saarek
I think that part of the problem with Apples share price has been the rather lack of an exciting product since the 15" retina MacBook Pro.
All other products have simply been spec bumps.
With a (hopefully) large iOS refresh amongst other things the last 3 months or so of this year may actually make Apple exciting again.
Wait, the share price dropped 40% because the iPad Mini, the iPhone 5, the 13" Retina Macbook, and the 128GB Retina iPad were just "unexciting spec bumps"…?
Please...
The share price should not be affected like it was (a 40% decline) simply because their 'product release schedule' hasn't been exciting to some people.
During the same declining period, their profits increased (except the most recent quarter), they managed sales records each and every quarter (including the most recent), and continue to dominate in real market share. That's what should drive share value. A slight downturn in margins (or perceived "excitement") doesn't justify the depression in price either.
Apple's products are excellent, consistent, and continue to improve incrementally. I don't need exciting, I need functional and excellent products. I get that from them. That said, they no doubt have plenty of interesting (aka exciting) products in the pipeline. I'm looking forward to them.
What does any of that have to do with share price, if they continue to dominate the market and sell+profit more than anyone else?
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Originally Posted by ikool
Add to that the Apple Maps flop, NYTimes Pulitzer prize Apple bashing and the perception that Tim Cook needs his own Tim Cook to fly to China to handle the supply end of things, etc.
The iPhone5 was probably the least exciting of any iPhone ever. Many have yet to upgrade from the practically perfect 4S- even Cook was caught lugging around a 4S.
Right, which explains why the iPhone 5 has outsold all previous models...
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Yep. That must be the reason why it's the largest selling phone of all time.
Oh boy..... What do we have here.....
A brand new t-roll?
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Originally Posted by garbage
The iPhone 5 has sold nowhere near 250 million units. So what do we have there?
garbage indeed… ikool is that you again?
stupid human. The iPhone 5 doesn't need to sell an amount equal to "all previous iPhones combined" to be the best-selling iPhone model to date...
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Originally Posted by NoahJ
What? You claimed that the phone was a boring update and appear to say that this was one major reason why their stock was tanking. And then when faced with the fact that the phone was actually selling quite well you say it is because people are stupid? What point are you actually trying to make? Is it that the phone is partly responsible for apples stock tanking or are you just saying you think it was a boring update in your opinion?
It must really irk these trolls to be surrounded by so many stupid people. Perhaps they ought to spend more time in their crowded, local Apple store, basking in their superiority.
Not everyone has a 'local Apple store' to go to.
Don't forget the 20 different models of the iPhone.
Still I think they should have staggered product releases.
Hello AI? Could you please institute a rule along the lines of "your IQ must be at least 50 if you want to sign on to become a member"?
Some day, when you figure out the difference between 'rate of sales' and 'cumulative sales' you'll do a facepalm.
You're welcome, in advance.
The only 2 things I would have done differently so far is embrace blu-ray on Macs and made the iPhone 5 screen much bigger. Other than that, I think they're making all the right moves.
You know with analysts that either:
(1) They don't know what they are talking about and just following the herd.
(2) They are trying to set an agenda based on a long or a short position.
What you should never do is follow their advice!
Take the iPad for example, which people see as a spec bump. That is all well and good but it totally dismisses the innovation of the new processor in these machines. Like it or not that is a truly new product within a product and is the result of some very non trivial development work. Apples processor technology may very well have as much of an impact on the company as the iPod or the Mac.
I've never understood this idea that an OS can make a company exciting again. I Can see an operating system making developers excited but that is another thing altogether. After all, all it does is support the apps running on the machine. If you want to excite me, fix the iWorks apps so that files work on both platforms without conversion.
The bigger issue is that iOS is rather mature technology. What do you rationally add to it to make it better?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Based on the trollish comments on AI the only way Apple's stock could be rebounding are 1) Tim Cook was canned, 2) Apple opened up iOS, or 3) Apple is licensing Mac OS X to Dell and HP.
You've forgotten the following:
- Apple has to launch a cheaper phone.
- Apple has to launch phone with a larger screen.
- Apple has to launch larger yet cheaper phone.
Just imagine how high $APPL will climb if all these "has-to's" come to be.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
That is all well and good but it totally dismisses the innovation of the new processor in these machines. Like it or not that is a truly new product within a product and is the result of some very non trivial development work. Apples processor technology may very well have as much of an impact on the company as the iPod or the Mac.
I appreciate someone who appreciates technology. But I think you're going too far. Nonetheless, I like the way you think on this front.
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
garbage indeed… ikool is that you again?
stupid human. The iPhone 5 doesn't need to sell an amount equal to "all previous iPhones combined" to be the best-selling iPhone model to date...
He claimed iPhone 5 was the 'largest selling phone of all time'. Patently untrue unless it has suddenly sold 250 million, which is the current record.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Some day, when you figure out the difference between 'rate of sales' and 'cumulative sales' you'll do a facepalm.
You're welcome, in advance.
He foolishly claimed iPhone 5 was the largest selling phone of all time. Not fastest. Feel free to facepalm now, no need to wait for the future.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Okay, so what phone sold 249,999,999 units?!
Feel free to look it up yourself.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by garbage
The iPhone 5 has sold nowhere near 250 million units. So what do we have there?
Okay, so what phone sold 249,999,999 units?!
He's referring to the old Nokia 1110, which Wikipedia lists as having sold 250M.