Article such as this in an Apple blog smacks so much of insecurity. I sometimes read Android Authority and it's rare when they write something about Apple.
Every article Appleinsider publishes about Samsung strengthens my thinking that Apple is now a follower and Samsung the leader.
Many Apple enthusiasts like info on competitors. I can't help it if Fandroids like to bathe in their "openness" and iHate.
Oh and you left the sarcasm tag off your last sentence.
And, I have something new to tell you... natural saturation colors on Samsung sucks! go and check pls.
I have checked. My best friend has an S4 and I have an iPhone 5. I have spent a lot of time looking and using his phone just to check it out. I have done side by side comparisons. Both of of us play a game called Modern War and opened up that app side by side. It looked gorgeous on the S4 as it did on my iPhone 5. But because the display was just so much larger you can see nearly your whole base on the S4 but you have to scroll and zoom a lot on the iPhone to see your base. It just made the game play a far better experience on the S4. The colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that. Display size trumps color accuracy for a lot of people.
I have checked. My best friend has an S4 and I have an iPhone 5. I have spent a lot of time looking and using his phone just to check it out. I have done side by side comparisons. Both of of us play a game called Modern War and opened up that app side by side. It looked gorgeous on the S4 as it did on my iPhone 5. But because the display was just so much larger you can see nearly your whole base on the S4 but you have to scroll and zoom a lot on the iPhone to see your base. It just made the game play a far better experience on the S4. The colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that. Display size trumps color accuracy for a lot of people.
I really did not read all your paragraph.
But the one in RED caught my attention. I am not wondered to know again that people fall for stupid things.
This is a bunch of bullshit again and typical Samsung deceiving tactics.
We are in fact not talking about the S4 as in a single, high-end device. We're talking about the whole bloody S4 line, which includes the S4 Mini and other popular budget knock offs. As long as they're reporting like this, you can't take it seriously, because it is obvious that a majority of those sales is made up of those cheap devices and not the high end models in direct competition with Apple.
It's like Apple would report sales only for "iPhone" and not for the iPhone 5 in particular.
Also clearly Samsung (and others) have chosen to use shipped rather than sold for a particular reason, most likely because they feel it makes them look better against the competition. Apple has decided to use sold for their own reasons as well.
Your premise is incorrect. (This has been gone over so many times, it should be a sticky.)
When Apple says "sold", they mean the same thing as Samsung does with "shipped". That is, units sold directly to end users from a company store, plus all the units sold to retailers.
The only difference is that Apple counts a shipment as a sale when it leaves their warehouse, whereas Samsung counts a shipment as a sale when it arrives at the retailer. The effect is the same.
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Personally, I question the motives of using shipped rather than sold -- until something is sold, there is no revenue.
Again, it means the same thing. They both get the revenue when the unit is bought by the retailer.
Both report lost revenue from returns separately. (Only Blackberry actually waits to report sales revenue until they're sure of a device not being returned.) This info is from each company's official filings.
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Using shipped feels like they are propping up their numbers to make it look like they are doing better than they are.
There are multiple examples of Apple's sales numbers looking great one quarter, and dropping the next one, due to retailers still having overstock.
This buying cycle happens to every company. It's why the only way to tell how well something is really selling, is to check sales/revenues over several quarters to see how they average out.
But, but, but aren't you tired of asking the same stupid question for the last couple of years? If Samsung is in fact not "selling" any phones, maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is also not selling any Windows, right? Maybe they also just "ship" Windows and everybody is in fact using Macs and everything is just a giant conspiracy against poor Apple, right?
So people on the forum can argue about shipped versus sold numbers. It makes people keep coming back to the site to argue their point.
I swear the biggest trolls on the AppleInsider forums are the editors at AppleInsider.
It's AppleInsider. I go to Mac Rumors and Cult of Mac as well and they rarely discuss things outside of Apple. When they do, it seems far more relevant.
Cult of Mac has Cult of Android and they post a lot of Cult of Android articles on Cult of Mac. Mac Rumors is far more Mac Centric than any of them.
If Samsung would sell the Galaxy S4 so proper, why they give you a Galaxy S4 for no money if you buy a LED TV, at least in Germany. Looks like they need to push shipments, regardless of the money they will loose. But don't blame Samsung they did and do what they can do best copy successful ideas and products. Or with the words of a chinese guy: We found it worth to be copied.
My best friend has an S4.... the colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that.
I may be a nobody, according to your definition, but at least I'm a realistic nobody.
If you ship 'em they will come. Or maybe not. Samdung is a piece of crap company with no honor, all they know how to do is copy. They will lose in the end.
The reality is that the display on the S4 is miles ahead of what was used on the S3. You can not dispute this point. You are also correct that there is still a gap especially when it comes to solid white background where the S4 will look slightly grayish compared to an HTC One or and iPhone. But the reality is unlike a TV where people would really notice these things especially if they are watching a 2-hr blu-ray movie , on a phone you really are less likely to notice or care. The colors may not be "true" but they are bright and you just don't hear many people complaining about the colors or the display. In fact you hear the opposite and they say the display is so much nicer and brighter than their previous phones and they love the display. For color purists this might be an unimaginable horror but the reality is the general public do not notice or care about such things. There is still a gap but it has closed to the point that most people don't care and are very satisfied. If color were truly that important then people would be buying more monitors from companies like iiyama or Apple instead of Dell and Acer. Professionals that rely on color accuracy care and buy those monitors but the public is quite content with their $275 Acer LED monitor. The S4 has a display that is not only "good enough" it is better than anything they have owned before.
Actually, I hear it allot and most of my friends are unimpressed with the colors on OLEDs. But then again, many of the friends I have understand photography and print reproduction and love when they can go from output device to output device with predictable results. Even outside this group, however, I have heard many people I know comment on the highly un-realistic colors of the GS3 and I also know many people that comment on the "pretty" colors.
On TVs, I question if many people care at all given the artifacts so prevalent on many HD movies.
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Many Apple enthusiasts like info on competitors. I can't help it if Fandroids like to bathe in their "openness" and iHate.
Oh and you left the sarcasm tag off your last sentence.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
You are ignorant about the colour saturation. You can set the colour fidelity on the S4 to be as neutral as the iP5.
Tell me something new!
And, I have something new to tell you... natural saturation colors on Samsung sucks! go and check pls.
The iPhone 5 is just now starting to be discounted.
When was the S4 released?
If Apple started allowing huge discounting of their flagship phone just a few months after release, people would be hammering them.
Samsung? Gets a pass.
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Originally Posted by Chandra69
Tell me something new!
And, I have something new to tell you... natural saturation colors on Samsung sucks! go and check pls.
I have checked. My best friend has an S4 and I have an iPhone 5. I have spent a lot of time looking and using his phone just to check it out. I have done side by side comparisons. Both of of us play a game called Modern War and opened up that app side by side. It looked gorgeous on the S4 as it did on my iPhone 5. But because the display was just so much larger you can see nearly your whole base on the S4 but you have to scroll and zoom a lot on the iPhone to see your base. It just made the game play a far better experience on the S4. The colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that. Display size trumps color accuracy for a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I have checked. My best friend has an S4 and I have an iPhone 5. I have spent a lot of time looking and using his phone just to check it out. I have done side by side comparisons. Both of of us play a game called Modern War and opened up that app side by side. It looked gorgeous on the S4 as it did on my iPhone 5. But because the display was just so much larger you can see nearly your whole base on the S4 but you have to scroll and zoom a lot on the iPhone to see your base. It just made the game play a far better experience on the S4. The colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that. Display size trumps color accuracy for a lot of people.
I really did not read all your paragraph.
But the one in RED caught my attention. I am not wondered to know again that people fall for stupid things.
This is a bunch of bullshit again and typical Samsung deceiving tactics.
We are in fact not talking about the S4 as in a single, high-end device. We're talking about the whole bloody S4 line, which includes the S4 Mini and other popular budget knock offs. As long as they're reporting like this, you can't take it seriously, because it is obvious that a majority of those sales is made up of those cheap devices and not the high end models in direct competition with Apple.
It's like Apple would report sales only for "iPhone" and not for the iPhone 5 in particular.
Don't fall for this BS. ;-)
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Originally Posted by Chandra69
I really did not read all your paragraph.
But the one in RED caught my attention. I am not wondered to know again that people fall for stupid things.
You must do a lot of photo editing on your iPhone if color rendering accuracy is so important to you. Can't you afford an iMac or MacBook?
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Originally Posted by SmileyDude
Also clearly Samsung (and others) have chosen to use shipped rather than sold for a particular reason, most likely because they feel it makes them look better against the competition. Apple has decided to use sold for their own reasons as well.
Your premise is incorrect. (This has been gone over so many times, it should be a sticky.)
When Apple says "sold", they mean the same thing as Samsung does with "shipped". That is, units sold directly to end users from a company store, plus all the units sold to retailers.
The only difference is that Apple counts a shipment as a sale when it leaves their warehouse, whereas Samsung counts a shipment as a sale when it arrives at the retailer. The effect is the same.
Quote:
Personally, I question the motives of using shipped rather than sold -- until something is sold, there is no revenue.
Again, it means the same thing. They both get the revenue when the unit is bought by the retailer.
Both report lost revenue from returns separately. (Only Blackberry actually waits to report sales revenue until they're sure of a device not being returned.) This info is from each company's official filings.
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Using shipped feels like they are propping up their numbers to make it look like they are doing better than they are.
There are multiple examples of Apple's sales numbers looking great one quarter, and dropping the next one, due to retailers still having overstock.
This buying cycle happens to every company. It's why the only way to tell how well something is really selling, is to check sales/revenues over several quarters to see how they average out.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
But, but, but aren't you tired of asking the same stupid question for the last couple of years? If Samsung is in fact not "selling" any phones, maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is also not selling any Windows, right? Maybe they also just "ship" Windows and everybody is in fact using Macs and everything is just a giant conspiracy against poor Apple, right?
lol, maybe I should have put a /s in front.
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Originally Posted by rednival
So people on the forum can argue about shipped versus sold numbers. It makes people keep coming back to the site to argue their point.
I swear the biggest trolls on the AppleInsider forums are the editors at AppleInsider.
It's AppleInsider. I go to Mac Rumors and Cult of Mac as well and they rarely discuss things outside of Apple. When they do, it seems far more relevant.
Cult of Mac has Cult of Android and they post a lot of Cult of Android articles on Cult of Mac. Mac Rumors is far more Mac Centric than any of them.
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Originally Posted by stike vomit
You must do a lot of photo editing on your iPhone if color rendering accuracy is so important to you. Can't you afford an iMac or MacBook?
I own all the ones that you mentioned. That is the reason why I hate Samsung.
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Originally Posted by krausebe
If Samsung would sell the Galaxy S4 so proper, why they give you a Galaxy S4 for no money if you buy a LED TV, at least in Germany. Looks like they need to push shipments, regardless of the money they will loose. But don't blame Samsung they did and do what they can do best copy successful ideas and products. Or with the words of a chinese guy: We found it worth to be copied.
Huh? Incomprehensible....
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Originally Posted by Chandra69
I really did not read all your paragraph.
But the one in RED caught my attention. I am not wondered to know again that people fall for stupid things.
Could you tell us what is your tv size and why?
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Originally Posted by Chandra69
I own all the ones that you mentioned. That is the reason why I hate Samsung.
Why should your choice of phone and computer hardware make you 'hate' Samsung?
You know that Samsung manufactures a lot of the components used in your devices, right? Doesn't that get confusing for you?
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Originally Posted by gwmac
My best friend has an S4.... the colors really popped out at me and I could easily get used to that. It may not have been as realistic but so what? It looked great and I just don't think anyone outside of tech forums care about that.
I may be a nobody, according to your definition, but at least I'm a realistic nobody.
There's no accounting for taste. Especially with a device you can get for free with a cheap suit.
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla
There's no accounting for taste. Especially with a device you can get for free with a cheap suit.
So? They give 'free' iPads away here with everything from gas & electric contracts, to fitted kitchens and leather sofas.
http://www.gratisipad.org/
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
You are ignorant about the colour saturation. You can set the colour fidelity on the S4 to be as neutral as the iP5.
And it is still ugly and the colors are not accurate. I don't know about the GS4 but the GS3 also shifted in time more than I would like.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
The reality is that the display on the S4 is miles ahead of what was used on the S3. You can not dispute this point. You are also correct that there is still a gap especially when it comes to solid white background where the S4 will look slightly grayish compared to an HTC One or and iPhone. But the reality is unlike a TV where people would really notice these things especially if they are watching a 2-hr blu-ray movie , on a phone you really are less likely to notice or care. The colors may not be "true" but they are bright and you just don't hear many people complaining about the colors or the display. In fact you hear the opposite and they say the display is so much nicer and brighter than their previous phones and they love the display. For color purists this might be an unimaginable horror but the reality is the general public do not notice or care about such things. There is still a gap but it has closed to the point that most people don't care and are very satisfied. If color were truly that important then people would be buying more monitors from companies like iiyama or Apple instead of Dell and Acer. Professionals that rely on color accuracy care and buy those monitors but the public is quite content with their $275 Acer LED monitor. The S4 has a display that is not only "good enough" it is better than anything they have owned before.
Actually, I hear it allot and most of my friends are unimpressed with the colors on OLEDs. But then again, many of the friends I have understand photography and print reproduction and love when they can go from output device to output device with predictable results. Even outside this group, however, I have heard many people I know comment on the highly un-realistic colors of the GS3 and I also know many people that comment on the "pretty" colors.
On TVs, I question if many people care at all given the artifacts so prevalent on many HD movies.