Skeuomorphism was done right in iOS? I almost choked on my lunch reading that. I have no idea if Jony is responsible for the UI of Apple's non-OS applications but if he is I doubt he had any time to focus on Logic. And anyway this is an app where skeuomorphic elements make sense. iOS is not.
It is fine that you don't want to layout cash for something you haven't seen before. The problem is grown ups find legal ways to test out something like Logic Pro X. For example look towards friends that use the app or even a studio that may have already converted for insight. Or for that matter drop by a local Apple Store.
I think that was a bit uncalled for. I agree with zcherries, it's a "shame" (not the end of the world, just "a shame") that there isn't a demo or trial for this. Personally, I don't know anyone using Logic, although I know a lot who used to. While I could go to the Apple Store, that's not really a great place to see if the app is really for me or not. What I'd really like to do is have a trial with enough time to go through a Lynda or other tutorial and see if it works well for me as opposed to the other audio editing software I'm currently using.
Without that, I'm likely not to switch to Logic Pro X, and I think there may be others like zcherries and myself.
And it's not just a problem with Logic Pro X. There have been other apps that haven't had trials where I have either passed on or felt terribly let down after purchasing something that wasn't right for me.
They co-exist. On my computer.Oh happy days! Pro X is making me beam at the moment. Only downside is no 32 Bit bridge so plugs like Sylenth won't run but that's the fault of myopic developers, not Apple.
They co-exist. On my computer.Oh happy days! Pro X is making me beam at the moment. Only downside is no 32 Bit bridge so plugs like Sylenth won't run but that's the fault of myopic developers, not Apple.
Maybe people can't read for content around here, I don't have a problem with trials or demo software, I have a problem with people that whine about it!! ???? Demos are a choice a company makes marketing wise, if you don't like the lack of such demos complain to the company not to the public in general.
I think that was a bit uncalled for. I agree with zcherries, it's a "shame" (not the end of the world, just "a shame") that there isn't a demo or trial for this. Personally, I don't know anyone using Logic, although I know a lot who used to. While I could go to the Apple Store, that's not really a great place to see if the app is really for me or not. What I'd really like to do is have a trial with enough time to go through a Lynda or other tutorial and see if it works well for me as opposed to the other audio editing software I'm currently using.
That is fine but why not express that opinion to Apple, nobody here has any control over how Apple markets anything.
Without that, I'm likely not to switch to Logic Pro X, and I think there may be others like zcherries and myself.
To put it plainly that is foolish.
And it's not just a problem with Logic Pro X. There have been other apps that haven't had trials where I have either passed on or felt terribly let down after purchasing something that wasn't right for me.
So; it isn't impossible to buy an app that is right for you today and a year later it is a useless pile of bits. As for determining if an app is right for you that often requires more time than a demo will permit.
What's your problem with trials and demos?
Again it isn't the demos that are the problem it is the whining on the forums when no body here can do anything about it. I can't snap my fingers and get Apple to produce a suite of demo apps and frankly I'm not even sure that I should. Beyond that there is more than one way to research a product.
My only real concern about demo apps is that they are an avenue for hackers to steal your work. That is a minor concern really because they can often crack mainline distributions too.
For some reason Android users can't get Auria on it, can they? Oops.
I have a question, have you tracked 24 tracks at the same time? If so, what equipment did you use to do to that with?
It would be cool if Mackie and Auria got the two together to create the ultimate iPad based mixing console/recording app. They could take various iPad mixers like the DL1608 and do 16 track recording on Auria on the same iPad... And then come out with a larger mixer to track up to 24 tracks, etc.
The Mackie already works perfectly with Auria, I have the DL806, 8 channel version, the 16 was too much of an overkill. You can use a Behringer X32 if you need all 24 channels, it is also fully compatible with Auria.
I think that was a bit uncalled for. I agree with zcherries, it's a "shame" (not the end of the world, just "a shame") that there isn't a demo or trial for this. Personally, I don't know anyone using Logic, although I know a lot who used to. While I could go to the Apple Store, that's not really a great place to see if the app is really for me or not. What I'd really like to do is have a trial with enough time to go through a Lynda or other tutorial and see if it works well for me as opposed to the other audio editing software I'm currently using.
Without that, I'm likely not to switch to Logic Pro X, and I think there may be others like zcherries and myself.
And it's not just a problem with Logic Pro X. There have been other apps that haven't had trials where I have either passed on or felt terribly let down after purchasing something that wasn't right for me.
What's your problem with trials and demos?
I don't want to sound like a prude but at 200 bucks, well that's demo money for me. You can't go wrong, same great features as Logic 9 which I have already spent a small fortune on, software and pugin's and a lot of new goodies. What are you using now.
I don't want to sound like a prude but at 200 bucks, well that's demo money for me. You can't go wrong, same great features as Logic 9 which I have already spent a small fortune on, software and pugin's and a lot of new goodies. What are you using now.
You are right! It is a gift for $199. An single effects box would cost you that or 15 sets of good guitar strings. When you think what this package includes it is beyond mind bogglingly inexpensive ... it is science fiction.:smokey:
So basically like nigh on every other piece of software, then.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I meant that of the suppliers from whom I buy software, I think Apple is the ONLY one that does not provide either a demo or trial version of their offerings. I realize that there may be others I'm not aware of, but I think it's fair to say that such titles are a rare exception rather than "nigh on every other piece of software."
At a mere $200 Logic is very reasonably priced, but to me would be too much to just drop on the off chance that I might like it. It would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. It's a good deal, unless it isn't a good fit in which case it was no deal at all.
How is it foolish to not buy something without trying it first? See my reply to the Tallest One. I said it would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. If it happens to be a good fit it was a great price. If it is NOT a good fit, that's $200 down the toilet.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Again it isn't the demos that are the problem it is the whining on the forums when no body here can do anything about it. I can't snap my fingers and get Apple to produce a suite of demo apps
Using that logic, roughly three-quarters of the posts on this forum fail the acceptability test. No one here can do anything about the stock price, how Apple configures the Mac Pro, when the next iPhone will be available etc. etc. etc.
It's a discussion group. People talk about what they're thinking. You're not in any way obligated to do anything about it.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I meant that of the suppliers from whom I buy software, I think Apple is the ONLY one that does not provide either a demo or trial version of their offerings. I realize that there may be others I'm not aware of, but I think it's fair to say that such titles are a rare exception rather than "nigh on every other piece of software."
At a mere $200 Logic is very reasonably priced, but to me would be too much to just drop on the off chance that I might like it. It would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. It's a good deal, unless it isn't a good fit in which case it was no deal at all.
You can always go to an Apple Store and play around with it, pus they usually have someone around that's knowledgeable about it. At least they do at the Apple Store around where I live. If you want Apple to provide a trial version, go to Apple's Feedback site and let them know. It doesn't cost anything to submit feedback and they DO read every submission. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
FYI. A lot of professional quality studios have Logic as one of the apps they provide since it's pretty popular amongst professionals.
You can always go to an Apple Store and play around with it, pus they usually have someone around that's knowledgeable about it. At least they do at the Apple Store around where I live. If you want Apple to provide a trial version, go to Apple's Feedback site and let them know. It doesn't cost anything to submit feedback and they DO read every submission. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
FYI. A lot of professional quality studios have Logic as one of the apps they provide since it's pretty popular amongst professionals.
Not everyone lives close to an Apple Store (at least those of us outside the US). Sadly, the Apple Store closest to me is two hours away... by bullet train and other transport (which means $200 round trip). My local reseller may or may not get Logic as a demo (Apple decides what they get free) and they may not be able to buy it. I'll just have to cross my fingers; I don't need X, but I sure want it... can probably talk myself into needing it...
That said:
FCPX has a demo. I hope that it is a matter of time (soon, please) that Apple readies a demo for Logic.
It's a shame there's no way to demo the product before committing the money to it, and I won't buy it without opening up the hood and kicking the tires.
FCP X was available for a 90-day trial a few months after it was released. No reason why they may not do the same for Logic Pro X as well.
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EDIT: Thanks, Huddler. Completely useless...
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Originally Posted by drblank
Go check out Auria software. It can do this on a freaking iPad for $50. http://auriaapp.com
Wow, talk about your skeuomorphic porn!
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Full of self importance are we?
It is fine that you don't want to layout cash for something you haven't seen before. The problem is grown ups find legal ways to test out something like Logic Pro X. For example look towards friends that use the app or even a studio that may have already converted for insight. Or for that matter drop by a local Apple Store.
I think that was a bit uncalled for. I agree with zcherries, it's a "shame" (not the end of the world, just "a shame") that there isn't a demo or trial for this. Personally, I don't know anyone using Logic, although I know a lot who used to. While I could go to the Apple Store, that's not really a great place to see if the app is really for me or not. What I'd really like to do is have a trial with enough time to go through a Lynda or other tutorial and see if it works well for me as opposed to the other audio editing software I'm currently using.
Without that, I'm likely not to switch to Logic Pro X, and I think there may be others like zcherries and myself.
And it's not just a problem with Logic Pro X. There have been other apps that haven't had trials where I have either passed on or felt terribly let down after purchasing something that wasn't right for me.
What's your problem with trials and demos?
Dumb question: BEFORE I purchase and install... to those who have already done-so...
Does this Logic Studio X application *OVERWRITE* Logic 9... or do the two co-exist...?
I want to be sure I can still open my old projects using the 32-bit plugins... and not be FORCED into the "X-ONLY" world.
Thanks in advance.
They co-exist. On my computer.Oh happy days! Pro X is making me beam at the moment. Only downside is no 32 Bit bridge so plugs like Sylenth won't run but that's the fault of myopic developers, not Apple.
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Originally Posted by Alex London
They co-exist. On my computer.Oh happy days! Pro X is making me beam at the moment. Only downside is no 32 Bit bridge so plugs like Sylenth won't run but that's the fault of myopic developers, not Apple.
Awesome, thanks...! Downloading now.
That is fine but why not express that opinion to Apple, nobody here has any control over how Apple markets anything. To put it plainly that is foolish. So; it isn't impossible to buy an app that is right for you today and a year later it is a useless pile of bits. As for determining if an app is right for you that often requires more time than a demo will permit. Again it isn't the demos that are the problem it is the whining on the forums when no body here can do anything about it. I can't snap my fingers and get Apple to produce a suite of demo apps and frankly I'm not even sure that I should. Beyond that there is more than one way to research a product.
My only real concern about demo apps is that they are an avenue for hackers to steal your work. That is a minor concern really because they can often crack mainline distributions too.
The Mackie already works perfectly with Auria, I have the DL806, 8 channel version, the 16 was too much of an overkill. You can use a Behringer X32 if you need all 24 channels, it is also fully compatible with Auria.
I don't want to sound like a prude but at 200 bucks, well that's demo money for me. You can't go wrong, same great features as Logic 9 which I have already spent a small fortune on, software and pugin's and a lot of new goodies. What are you using now.
You are right! It is a gift for $199. An single effects box would cost you that or 15 sets of good guitar strings. When you think what this package includes it is beyond mind bogglingly inexpensive ... it is science fiction.:smokey:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So basically like nigh on every other piece of software, then.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I meant that of the suppliers from whom I buy software, I think Apple is the ONLY one that does not provide either a demo or trial version of their offerings. I realize that there may be others I'm not aware of, but I think it's fair to say that such titles are a rare exception rather than "nigh on every other piece of software."
At a mere $200 Logic is very reasonably priced, but to me would be too much to just drop on the off chance that I might like it. It would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. It's a good deal, unless it isn't a good fit in which case it was no deal at all.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
To put it plainly that is foolish.
How is it foolish to not buy something without trying it first? See my reply to the Tallest One. I said it would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. If it happens to be a good fit it was a great price. If it is NOT a good fit, that's $200 down the toilet.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Again it isn't the demos that are the problem it is the whining on the forums when no body here can do anything about it. I can't snap my fingers and get Apple to produce a suite of demo apps
Using that logic, roughly three-quarters of the posts on this forum fail the acceptability test. No one here can do anything about the stock price, how Apple configures the Mac Pro, when the next iPhone will be available etc. etc. etc.
It's a discussion group. People talk about what they're thinking. You're not in any way obligated to do anything about it.
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Originally Posted by v5v
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be pedantic. I meant that of the suppliers from whom I buy software, I think Apple is the ONLY one that does not provide either a demo or trial version of their offerings. I realize that there may be others I'm not aware of, but I think it's fair to say that such titles are a rare exception rather than "nigh on every other piece of software."
At a mere $200 Logic is very reasonably priced, but to me would be too much to just drop on the off chance that I might like it. It would be like buying a $200 suit without trying it on. It's a good deal, unless it isn't a good fit in which case it was no deal at all.
You can always go to an Apple Store and play around with it, pus they usually have someone around that's knowledgeable about it. At least they do at the Apple Store around where I live. If you want Apple to provide a trial version, go to Apple's Feedback site and let them know. It doesn't cost anything to submit feedback and they DO read every submission. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
FYI. A lot of professional quality studios have Logic as one of the apps they provide since it's pretty popular amongst professionals.
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Originally Posted by MoXoM
At last!
Arpeggiator!!
WAHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I'm shocked they never had an arpeggiator prior to this!
Even GarageBand for iOS has one!
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Originally Posted by drblank
You can always go to an Apple Store and play around with it, pus they usually have someone around that's knowledgeable about it. At least they do at the Apple Store around where I live. If you want Apple to provide a trial version, go to Apple's Feedback site and let them know. It doesn't cost anything to submit feedback and they DO read every submission. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
FYI. A lot of professional quality studios have Logic as one of the apps they provide since it's pretty popular amongst professionals.
Not everyone lives close to an Apple Store (at least those of us outside the US). Sadly, the Apple Store closest to me is two hours away... by bullet train and other transport (which means $200 round trip). My local reseller may or may not get Logic as a demo (Apple decides what they get free) and they may not be able to buy it. I'll just have to cross my fingers; I don't need X, but I sure want it... can probably talk myself into needing it...
That said:
FCPX has a demo. I hope that it is a matter of time (soon, please) that Apple readies a demo for Logic.
Sent in feedback asking for a demo.
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Originally Posted by zcherries
It's a shame there's no way to demo the product before committing the money to it, and I won't buy it without opening up the hood and kicking the tires.
FCP X was available for a 90-day trial a few months after it was released. No reason why they may not do the same for Logic Pro X as well.
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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret
FCP X was available for a 90-day trial a few months after it was released. No reason why they may not do the same for Logic Pro X as well.
Hopefully sooner than a few months. They may be doing things differently this time around...