Every single time I use Windows, without fail, I wind up asking myself, "How has human civilization not collapsed being forced to use software this F—ING USELESS?!" If I copy a file, the entire OS locks up until it's done. HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE?!
Because it doesn't do that, you must have a fault with the PC you are using.
Ballmer watching Ballmer... now that is frightening.
Sorry to see him go, a colourful and for Apple, successful, era bites the dust.
You never know. MS can do much worst than than Ballmer.
I'd hope for Ray Ozzie, but he has his own business nowadays. Still, leading Microsoft might be something hard to resist. Sinofsky was apparently hard to work with, and without Jobs' charisma, I don't think he would fit well. But you never know.
End of the day, an insider (or ex-insider at least) would be miles better than someone random outsourced "professional" CEO like Leo Apotheker, IMHO...
Wouldn't be the first Mac to have an issue. None of the Windows machines I have access to "lock up" when copying files.
Amazing how far people's bias can take them, eh?
I'm pretty sure even if blue puff of smoke would emerge out of his Mac Pro, TS would still be blaming Windows for his machine not turning on any more...
Except it happens on every Windows machine I've used.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Were you using Boot Camp or a virtual version?
Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows.
Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows.
Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.
Microsoft just needs to think about the user experience regardless of who the user is. When you can barely demo a tablet on stage because it doesn't work properly and instead distract people by clicking the stand, that's a big warning sign that the user experience isn't right. When Apple demoed the iPad, Steve just sat on a sofa and used it. Microsoft's recent adverts basically say 'we make sh*t products but at least you can save $150'. If a product is good enough, people will pay for it.
They really need to start placing more importance on design too - designers, designer, designers first and developers, developers, developers second. The XBox One looks like junk. Same with things like this:
I agree with most of things you said... except for one little thing.
Sitting in his comfy chair (and telling how iPad will bring everyone whole web), hasn't Steve Jobs opened a web page or two with big ugly holes where Flash animation was supposed to be?
Granted not as bad as tablet crashing on you, but still a mistake in planning and execution. But it's live event. These things happen. Even to Steve Jobs.
Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows.
When we have same user experiencing same problem on multiple machines, in huge majority of cases it boils down to user's error.
That being said, it can also be network related (if you are copying over lan). Storage driver related if you are copying locally. And why, on earth, are you using FAT..?
Some of you guys are waaayyyy toooo harsh on Balmer.
Was he a maniac? Of course. But so was Steve Jobs, in a much more private, reserved sort of way. Most successful people are in one way or another.
Balmer also led MS through a sustained period of unheard-of profitability in MS's market-dominating segments. From an investor's standpoint (i.e. company owners'), Balmer wasn't too shabby.
Obviously, he has routinely dropped the ball on the media and tablet fronts. But he's maintained a strong enterprise presence, and Windows OS is still by far and away the dominating Desktop PC OS (obviously desktop PCs are becoming less relevant, and Apple OS is growing).
What I am getting at here is that Balmer's reign, however hilarious, has not been one large disaster like many of you allege. I understand and agree that Apple's products are better designed, etc. But Balmer has kept MS profitable and relevant in certain market sectors for far longer than Apple has been profitable.
I think the MS Surface debacle was his final undoing. It was a classic MS consumer electronic in that it was 90% of the way to being an Apple-contender, and it just couldn't hack that extra 10%, so it failed. In fact, there were elements of the Surface that were fairly ingenious and inventive, but the marketing debacle combined with the high price and lacking features did it in.
In short, everyone runs out of steam at some point in time (unless their life is tragically cut short before then). It is time for Balmer to go. But MS is still one of the world's most valuable companies and it has a number of market segments where it still dominates.
If MS can hire a dynamic CEO willing to shake things up, it still has the power, money and presence to have a sustained future impact on the computing and consumer electronics world.
Some of you guys are waaayyyy toooo harsh on Balmer. Was he a maniac? Of course. But so was Steve Jobs, in a much more private, reserved sort of way. Most successful people are in one way or another. Balmer also led MS through a sustained period of unheard-of profitability in MS's market-dominating segments. From an investor's standpoint (i.e. company owners'), Balmer wasn't too shabby. Obviously, he has routinely dropped the ball on the media and tablet fronts. But he's maintained a strong enterprise presence, and Windows OS is still by far and away the dominating Desktop PC OS (obviously desktop PCs are becoming less relevant, and Apple OS is growing). What I am getting at here is that Balmer's reign, however hilarious, has not been one large disaster like many of you allege. I understand and agree that Apple's products are better designed, etc. But Balmer has kept MS profitable and relevant in certain market sectors for far longer than Apple has been profitable. I think the MS Surface debacle was his final undoing. It was a classic MS consumer electronic in that it was 90% of the way to being an Apple-contender, and it just couldn't hack that extra 10%, so it failed. In fact, there were elements of the Surface that were fairly ingenious and inventive, but the marketing debacle combined with the high price and lacking features did it in. In short, everyone runs out of steam at some point in time (unless their life is tragically cut short before then). It is time for Balmer to go. But MS is still one of the world's most valuable companies and it has a number of market segments where it still dominates. If MS can hire a dynamic CEO willing to shake things up, it still has the power, money and presence to have a sustained future impact on the computing and consumer electronics world.
This.
Sure he was a bit of a clown (and then some), but his time at Microsoft wasn't only stage jumping and iPhone stomping; Microsoft did a lot of good things under him as well, compared to ending Gates' years.
Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows.
I just tried copying 20GB across the network to a Windows 8 machine, the only extra CPU my machine is using is the stupid virus software we use here, everything else if fine.
I microsoft technology was all that bad why is Apple adopting it for OSX Maveriks for their disk formatting.
Er… what?
Also, I just have a couple drives left as FAT32 for r/w between OS X and other Windows machines I encounter. I can't futz around with OS X NTFS drivers right now, and it's just easier that way since not all Windows machines are running Apple's HFS+ read driver. On my Mac itself, I never copy to, only from. It's not really inconvenient; what's inconvenient is Windows locking up any time I copy anything.
I mean, the literal five plus minutes I have to leave it sit every single time it boots before it will reliably perform the commands I tell it to perform is one thing, since that has been the case with every version of Windows since 95, but something as simple as copying a file? Makes me feel as though Windows has never actually had OS multitasking.
And don't get me started on how Windows 8 doesn't support the Radeon 4xxx series and boots to 640x480 every single time I start it.
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Because it doesn't do that, you must have a fault with the PC you are using.
Originally Posted by jfanning
Because it doesn't do that, you must have a fault with the PC you are using.
Mac Pro. Fault, huh?
Wouldn't be the first Mac to have an issue. None of the Windows machines I have access to "lock up" when copying files.
You never know. MS can do much worst than than Ballmer.
I'd hope for Ray Ozzie, but he has his own business nowadays. Still, leading Microsoft might be something hard to resist. Sinofsky was apparently hard to work with, and without Jobs' charisma, I don't think he would fit well. But you never know.
End of the day, an insider (or ex-insider at least) would be miles better than someone random outsourced "professional" CEO like Leo Apotheker, IMHO...
Amazing how far people's bias can take them, eh?
I'm pretty sure even if blue puff of smoke would emerge out of his Mac Pro, TS would still be blaming Windows for his machine not turning on any more...
Were you using Boot Camp or a virtual version?
Originally Posted by nikon133
Amazing how far people's bias can take them, eh?
Except it happens on every Windows machine I've used.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Were you using Boot Camp or a virtual version?
Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows.
Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.
I suppose so, but only because larger files take long enough to copy that it's noticeable?
I don't know for sure but that would certainly be my guess as well.
I agree with most of things you said... except for one little thing.
Sitting in his comfy chair (and telling how iPad will bring everyone whole web), hasn't Steve Jobs opened a web page or two with big ugly holes where Flash animation was supposed to be?
Granted not as bad as tablet crashing on you, but still a mistake in planning and execution. But it's live event. These things happen. Even to Steve Jobs.
When we have same user experiencing same problem on multiple machines, in huge majority of cases it boils down to user's error.
That being said, it can also be network related (if you are copying over lan). Storage driver related if you are copying locally. And why, on earth, are you using FAT..?
Was he a maniac? Of course. But so was Steve Jobs, in a much more private, reserved sort of way. Most successful people are in one way or another.
Balmer also led MS through a sustained period of unheard-of profitability in MS's market-dominating segments. From an investor's standpoint (i.e. company owners'), Balmer wasn't too shabby.
Obviously, he has routinely dropped the ball on the media and tablet fronts. But he's maintained a strong enterprise presence, and Windows OS is still by far and away the dominating Desktop PC OS (obviously desktop PCs are becoming less relevant, and Apple OS is growing).
What I am getting at here is that Balmer's reign, however hilarious, has not been one large disaster like many of you allege. I understand and agree that Apple's products are better designed, etc. But Balmer has kept MS profitable and relevant in certain market sectors for far longer than Apple has been profitable.
I think the MS Surface debacle was his final undoing. It was a classic MS consumer electronic in that it was 90% of the way to being an Apple-contender, and it just couldn't hack that extra 10%, so it failed. In fact, there were elements of the Surface that were fairly ingenious and inventive, but the marketing debacle combined with the high price and lacking features did it in.
In short, everyone runs out of steam at some point in time (unless their life is tragically cut short before then). It is time for Balmer to go. But MS is still one of the world's most valuable companies and it has a number of market segments where it still dominates.
If MS can hire a dynamic CEO willing to shake things up, it still has the power, money and presence to have a sustained future impact on the computing and consumer electronics world.
If he is using FAT then they won't be a large file
This.
Sure he was a bit of a clown (and then some), but his time at Microsoft wasn't only stage jumping and iPhone stomping; Microsoft did a lot of good things under him as well, compared to ending Gates' years.
I just tried copying 20GB across the network to a Windows 8 machine, the only extra CPU my machine is using is the stupid virus software we use here, everything else if fine.
I love Excel with the Ribbon
I have no problems with my Windows7 machine at work with 30-40 windows open across three monitors. Win 7 works great.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
If he is using FAT then they won't be a large file
I microsoft technology was all that bad why is Apple adopting it for OSX Maveriks for their disk formatting.
Originally Posted by K2kW
I microsoft technology was all that bad why is Apple adopting it for OSX Maveriks for their disk formatting.
Er… what?
Also, I just have a couple drives left as FAT32 for r/w between OS X and other Windows machines I encounter. I can't futz around with OS X NTFS drivers right now, and it's just easier that way since not all Windows machines are running Apple's HFS+ read driver. On my Mac itself, I never copy to, only from. It's not really inconvenient; what's inconvenient is Windows locking up any time I copy anything.
I mean, the literal five plus minutes I have to leave it sit every single time it boots before it will reliably perform the commands I tell it to perform is one thing, since that has been the case with every version of Windows since 95, but something as simple as copying a file? Makes me feel as though Windows has never actually had OS multitasking.
And don't get me started on how Windows 8 doesn't support the Radeon 4xxx series and boots to 640x480 every single time I start it.