It was found today that the latest Android update, 4.3,includes a fix for the memory issue on the old Nexus7. Rather than cheap memory it was a software bug all along.
It was not a software bug per se, but rather a feature that was not supported. Apple used to sell Macs with SSDs before they added TRIM support to OS X.
It was found today that the latest Android update, 4.3, includes a fix for the memory issue on the old Nexus7. Rather than cheap memory it seems it was a software bug all along. Another bonus: Android 4.3 reportedly brings significant improvements in battery life too. Don't toss those old Nexus 7's yet.
I still can't figure out who the heck is dumb enough to buy a tablet with only 8G of storage. That's barely enough to do anything other than a basic reader and functionality.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">It was not a software bug per se, but rather a feature that was not supported. Apple used to sell Macs with SSDs before they added TRIM support to OS X.</span>
Ah, you're quite right. Thanks for the clarification and correction.
Figure the odds on the thread title ever getting changed, to reflect the fact that it was not caused by "cheap" memory.
That's the trouble with the internet. Bad info tends to stick around and get repeated forever, even though it should be so much easier to correct over print media.
An upgrade to android 4.3 resolves the fstrim problems which are causing the lag which should make a lot of people happy.Also some of the latest custom 4.3 ROMs are very fast and slick. My old model with latest vanir nightly ROM get an antutu score of 17298 on stock settings.
An upgrade to android 4.3 resolves the fstrim problems which are causing the lag which should make a lot of people happy.Also some of the latest custom 4.3 ROMs are very fast and slick. My old model with latest vanir nightly ROM get an antutu score of 17298 on stock settings. In addition the latest nexus 7 blows all the competition away re performance and quality for the price. I think android only gets better going forward on the nexus 7 and other android tablets.
Well I'm pleased to hear that, as I'm sure will those users lucky enough to be able to upgrade their Android devices to 4.3
As for antutu, vanir and the rest and a score of 17298 I've no idea as I use my iPad to actually edit spreadsheets, watch video, play games, surf and more, not wasting my time running benchmark tests. It's easy to make a device that runs benchmarks well (in the same way that it's easy to make a car fast by putting a bigger engine in it!) but much more difficult to make the entire experience coherent and enjoyable. It's the latter where Apple's focus lies. The same applies to the "blows all the competition away re performance" comment ... this tedious focus on performance above all again misses the point that the majority of users don't take any interest in performance figures as long as the device operates as they want. To use another analogy, it's rather like getting off on the speed and power of the motor in your food processor and paying little attention to whether it actually makes the pastry, grates properly and can purée boiling soup which would have been the reason that most people would have bought it in the first place!
I would hope that Android would improve otherwise there's no reason to change it is there? Please also drop that irritating phrase "going forward"; it's absolutely meaningless as you can see by removing it from your sentence which makes no difference to its meaning. Mind you, you're not alone on this one by any means. Sadly ...
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
The problem with Android as a platform is that if you want to use more specialty type apps, they aren't on Android. In the music creation and production industry, Android apps pretty are non-existent. There are a LOT of apps that simply don't exist on Android, but do exist on iOS. There are several reasons for this. If you are just looking for a basic tablet, anything will sufice, but for people that are in a lot of industries where specialty apps are the driving force, iOS is the choice for MOST professionals. It's just fact. Apple has more business in a lot of different markets that Android doesn't have and probably won't ever get to the same level for these markets. Why? They don't integrate very well with apps that are written for OS X and Windows.
Take for example, Logic and Final Cut Pro. Two software apps meant for prosumers, education and professionals. These two products are taught at pretty much all colleges and trade schools getting kids into a profession. Well, there are apps that Apple or 3rd party developers, plus various hardware that allows a Logic or FCP user to integrate an iPad into a workstation running Logic and/or FCP to enable the tablet to become a part of their workstation.
Heck, there's even a 48 channel DAW that runs on iOS and the reason why they can't make it run on Android is because Apple already has their Core Audio integrated into the OS and it just handles audio much better. So even if they wanted to produce an Android version right now, it would completely suck. The same thing is happening with other facets of the music industry, there are the big major players that develop iOS apps and hardware and they aren't even touching Android. Most airlines that are deploying tablets are deploying iOS, not as much with Android. This is permeating into hospitals, doctors and dentist offices, retail stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. Android tablets are really meant for those that want to THINK they have something better than an iPad, but in reality, don't. Specs can take you so far, and then it comes down to apps, 3rd party hardware, reliability, support, and market acceptance within an industry that counts, not how many cheap tablets they can sell to countries with a bunch of poor people that just want basic computing. Same thing applies to $1000 to $3000 laptops vs $400 laptops and the Chromebook that sells for $250.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
No, I haven't heard of TouchDAW. It's just a controller not an actual DAW that one can record up to 24 tracks simultaniously and control up to 48 channels. So, please don't confuse TouchDAW to Auria, one is just a controller, which there are plenty for iOS, and Auria which is a fully functioning DAW workstation. You can connect a multichannel AD/DA converter to the iPad with the camera connection kit.
In this instance, the skeuomorphic UI is the right way of doing things. Plus the plug-ins work the same way you would expect. Like a professional DAW. A DAW isn't the only thing out on iOS. There are a LOT of companies that simply won't even touch Android for the music industry and the ones that do are the companies that cater towards people with no money. If Apple kicks out a 64 bit iPad within a month or two, which is more likely GOING to happen, you might as well kiss your Android product off the face of the earth. Apple will have a MUCH faster adoption of 64 bit based apps and the professionals will go to Apple.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
It's like this. You have a toy with an Android product.. So please think about growing up and maturing into an adult, otherwise, you may end up becoming an Hemorrhoid.
Yeah, for your average Joe Blow that doesn't really do anything that requires specialty software, anything will work. It might not be the best thing in town, but it will work, I guess. But if you want to have a BIG choice of apps, hardware that cater to various industries and designed for a tablet rather than smartphone apps installed on a tablet, go with Apple. Apple has far better support not only from Apple, but the various industries you might find yourself becoming involved in someday as a professional. If you look at the big bands, engineers, etc., they aren't using Android products for the most part unless Samsung, etc. pays them to. Go to a concert where people are using computers/tablets on stage. You'll see Apple 99% of the time. Go into any professional recording studio. You'll see Apple 99% of the time. Go to NAMM show, walk around. You'll see pretty much iPads, MacBooks of various types practically everywhere. It's just that's where things are at. Top colleges and schools are using Apple, not Android.. Seriously. Use the tools that more professionals use, so when you do grow up, they'll treat you more as an equal.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own. Lets get this thread back on track - its about problems with the nexus 7 not how good apple products are.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own.
What do you mean "working in IT"? That's a nebulous statement. Well, then go to another site that discusses the platform you chose. I've worked in IT since the mid 80's when PCs started to become popular. Trust me, I've known a lot of IT people make the dumbest decisions, yet since they worked in IT, they thought they knew everything. Most IT people that I've been around only know how to do certain things and making business decisions isn't one of them. I'm too old to even want to know about Android. I know more than i care to.
For someone in IT, you obviously aren't looking at this from a business person's mentality. You just talk about the OS, the OS is only the portion that runs apps. If the apps aren't there, then the OS is useless. It all depends on what you want to do. If you just want the basics of what a tablet comes with then you can run just about anything. But if you want a secure OS, from a company that's been in this industry a LONG time, has the most 3rd party apps/hardware and is generally accepted as the platform of choice for MOST professionals, Android isn' the answer. IT's just a wannabe, me too platform so Google can try to capture or force people to use Google search and YouTube. I don't consider Google any type of serious consideration as an IT product that I would want connected to my business, even if my employees wanted it. I would simply tell them to look for a job elsewhere. I wouldn't want that crap on the network. Come on. Do you know how much malware is on the Android platform? Or maybe since you use Windows, you are kind of ignorant or callous to that and maybe you just don't mind the malware problem, because it gives you job security.
Sorry, but this "I've been in IT for a billion years doesn't mean a thing to me." It's a myth that being in IT gives you the ability to make better decisions. It should, but it doesn't. Why do you think Cisco dumped their own Android tablet in favor of iPads? Why do you think IBM buys iPads? Why do you think most of the school systems are buying iPads? Why do you think a lot of other corporations are buying iPads? Their decisions are not based on price or specs of a particular product. First you have to evaluate the platform on ALL of it's merits. If Nexus tablets were so great, then why do they have to price them a lot cheaper than an iPad, just to get whatever business they can get? Which isn't that many. The Nexus 10 was a bomb. The Nexus 7 only sold around 7 million units as of a couple of months ago, which is about what Apple shipped in the first month of the iPad. The Nexus products are more for developers developing s/w, they aren't really meant for Joe Consumer.
Do you work for Apple? If you don't you should consider it as you bang the drum for their products and software in an eloquent fashion. Damn good marketing - another one totally bought in to their product range and software tie in lol
Do you work for Apple? If you don't you should consider it as you bang the drum for their products and software in an eloquent fashion. Damn good marketing - another one totally bought in to their product range and software tie in lol
No. I don't work for Apple. I have never worked for Apple. I have my own reasons on why I don't work there. I also don't live in an area for which there are jobs that I'm interested in or qualified for. I have used and sold PCs and Macs for years since they both came on to the market and used both platforms side by side. What I enjoy doing is analyzing the market. Apple seems to be the only company that actually has any excitement with regards to new product announcements. Sure, Apple isn't perfect, but who is? Believe me, if i had a couple of days to spend with Ive, and the others that are involved with product design and other aspects of the company, I would rip some egos pretty easily and let them know, NICELY in my own special way what they should be doing. In some areas, they are doing fine, in others they could use a little improvement. But I do submit suggestions and comments directly to them for their review.
I think the change over to 64 bit processors is a game changer. I obviously think that at least the new iPad 5 will have a A7(most likely X version) processor, which would be consistent with how they announce new processors. Will they have that in a new iPad Mini? I'm not sure if they will or not, or if it's actually needed just yet for that market. I'm just waiting to see this IGZO technology and what it's all about. I've read about it, but haven't seen it up close and personal.
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
That's not a grammar lesson, simply a criticism of the meaningless use of that "hip" phrase! It's just that in the last couple of years I've seen "going forward", used so much I guess I just snapped! Sorry.
I didn't say performance wasn't a factor. I said " the majority of users don't take any interest in performance figures as long as the device operates as they want". Performance, like functionality, quality of physical construction, reliability, application availability, battery life, and so on combine to make a harmonious whole. There's no point in having blazing performance if the device only lasts two hours on a charge.
You said that "the Nexus 7 ... is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about". Well, that depends on what your purchase criteria are and as above, if you factor in more than just processor benchmarks to make your purchasing decisions then you should consider:- app availability, the number of apps making full use of the tablet's screen (say), lack of malware, screen quality and clarity, speaker quality, recording clarity, video recording performance and much more besides. I happen to believe that Apple makes better compromises on their products than anyone else. You believe otherwise and that's fine.
No. I don't work for Apple. I have never worked for Apple. I have my own reasons on why I don't work there. I also don't live in an area for which there are jobs that I'm interested in or qualified for. I have used and sold PCs and Macs for years since they both came on to the market and used both platforms side by side. What I enjoy doing is analyzing the market. Apple seems to be the only company that actually has any excitement with regards to new product announcements. Sure, Apple isn't perfect, but who is? Believe me, if i had a couple of days to spend with Ive, and the others that are involved with product design and other aspects of the company, I would rip some egos pretty easily and let them know, NICELY in my own special way what they should be doing. In some areas, they are doing fine, in others they could use a little improvement. But I do submit suggestions and comments directly to them for their review.
I think the change over to 64 bit processors is a game changer. I obviously think that at least the new iPad 5 will have a A7(most likely X version) processor, which would be consistent with how they announce new processors. Will they have that in a new iPad Mini? I'm not sure if they will or not, or if it's actually needed just yet for that market. I'm just waiting to see this IGZO technology and what it's all about. I've read about it, but haven't seen it up close and personal.
Fair comments - I am not knocking the Apple build quality,selection of available software, support etc . I just like to have a choice of what I do with something I buy. I don't like the imposed restrictions and software family tie in. Its not for me - I am an old gamer from the Doom days and I like to build my hardware , modify software and install custom Op systems where possible. On phones and tablets that leans me towards Android as open source. If I bought Apple first thing I would do is jailbreak it lol . Its a personal view - all the points you made are good ones and I don't seek to challenge them. If I were running a business Apple products would certainly be a contender.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own. Lets get this thread back on track - its about problems with the nexus 7 not how good apple products are.
Why waste money on a Nexus then, when a $49 tablet will give you much the same functionality?
Why waste money on a Nexus then, when a $49 tablet will give you much the same functionality?
Haha replace Nexus with ipad mini and you have a more acurate statement. Actually thats not fair - many cheaper tablets will give you same functionality all be it on a lower version of Android with some limited capabilities.e.g. GPS , Wifi range. Just depends what levels of visual and performance u accept and what the lifespan of the purchase is. $49 tablet tend to die quick. Me I like my Nexus - you I suspect like your ipad mini - everyone to their own. The Android vs IOS arguement gets boring after a while. Android and IOS both have their good and bad points as do the hardware that host them . Hardware and operating systems continue to develop and improve as does the the marketing of them as the latest and best thing. Most people will chose what best suits their needs and are mostly happy with their choice whatever is may be. Some must just have the latest product to show off irrespective of what it can do. Me - I just need something thats reasonably well built, does all the required basics well with a good wifi range, GPS, good visuals, responsive IPS and fast application response times. I don't need an SD card slot - I can use stickmount or Googledrive for extra storage. I also want the ability to be able to hack the system and get root access. This allows the installation of root software apps e.g. stickmount and custom Roms - the numerous ROMs give additional features, enhanced performance and also enhance my end user experience. Stops me from getting bored as I can mod my system when I feel like it. The Nexus 7 gives me all that for a fair price and I am happy.
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It was found today that the latest Android update, 4.3,includes a fix for the memory issue on the old Nexus7. Rather than cheap memory it was a software bug all along.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices
It was not a software bug per se, but rather a feature that was not supported. Apple used to sell Macs with SSDs before they added TRIM support to OS X.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
It was found today that the latest Android update, 4.3, includes a fix for the memory issue on the old Nexus7. Rather than cheap memory it seems it was a software bug all along. Another bonus: Android 4.3 reportedly brings significant improvements in battery life too. Don't toss those old Nexus 7's yet.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices
I still can't figure out who the heck is dumb enough to buy a tablet with only 8G of storage. That's barely enough to do anything other than a basic reader and functionality.
Ah, you're quite right. Thanks for the clarification and correction.
Figure the odds on the thread title ever getting changed, to reflect the fact that it was not caused by "cheap" memory.
That's the trouble with the internet. Bad info tends to stick around and get repeated forever, even though it should be so much easier to correct over print media.
An upgrade to android 4.3 resolves the fstrim problems which are causing the lag which should make a lot of people happy.Also some of the latest custom 4.3 ROMs are very fast and slick. My old model with latest vanir nightly ROM get an antutu score of 17298 on stock settings. In addition the latest nexus 7 blows all the competition away re performance and quality for the price. I think android only gets better going forward on the nexus 7 and other android tablets.
Well I'm pleased to hear that, as I'm sure will those users lucky enough to be able to upgrade their Android devices to 4.3
As for antutu, vanir and the rest and a score of 17298 I've no idea as I use my iPad to actually edit spreadsheets, watch video, play games, surf and more, not wasting my time running benchmark tests. It's easy to make a device that runs benchmarks well (in the same way that it's easy to make a car fast by putting a bigger engine in it!) but much more difficult to make the entire experience coherent and enjoyable. It's the latter where Apple's focus lies. The same applies to the "blows all the competition away re performance" comment ... this tedious focus on performance above all again misses the point that the majority of users don't take any interest in performance figures as long as the device operates as they want. To use another analogy, it's rather like getting off on the speed and power of the motor in your food processor and paying little attention to whether it actually makes the pastry, grates properly and can purée boiling soup which would have been the reason that most people would have bought it in the first place!
I would hope that Android would improve otherwise there's no reason to change it is there? Please also drop that irritating phrase "going forward"; it's absolutely meaningless as you can see by removing it from your sentence which makes no difference to its meaning. Mind you, you're not alone on this one by any means. Sadly ...
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
The problem with Android as a platform is that if you want to use more specialty type apps, they aren't on Android. In the music creation and production industry, Android apps pretty are non-existent. There are a LOT of apps that simply don't exist on Android, but do exist on iOS. There are several reasons for this. If you are just looking for a basic tablet, anything will sufice, but for people that are in a lot of industries where specialty apps are the driving force, iOS is the choice for MOST professionals. It's just fact. Apple has more business in a lot of different markets that Android doesn't have and probably won't ever get to the same level for these markets. Why? They don't integrate very well with apps that are written for OS X and Windows.
Take for example, Logic and Final Cut Pro. Two software apps meant for prosumers, education and professionals. These two products are taught at pretty much all colleges and trade schools getting kids into a profession. Well, there are apps that Apple or 3rd party developers, plus various hardware that allows a Logic or FCP user to integrate an iPad into a workstation running Logic and/or FCP to enable the tablet to become a part of their workstation.
Heck, there's even a 48 channel DAW that runs on iOS and the reason why they can't make it run on Android is because Apple already has their Core Audio integrated into the OS and it just handles audio much better. So even if they wanted to produce an Android version right now, it would completely suck. The same thing is happening with other facets of the music industry, there are the big major players that develop iOS apps and hardware and they aren't even touching Android. Most airlines that are deploying tablets are deploying iOS, not as much with Android. This is permeating into hospitals, doctors and dentist offices, retail stores, restaurants, hotels, etc. Android tablets are really meant for those that want to THINK they have something better than an iPad, but in reality, don't. Specs can take you so far, and then it comes down to apps, 3rd party hardware, reliability, support, and market acceptance within an industry that counts, not how many cheap tablets they can sell to countries with a bunch of poor people that just want basic computing. Same thing applies to $1000 to $3000 laptops vs $400 laptops and the Chromebook that sells for $250.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
No, I haven't heard of TouchDAW. It's just a controller not an actual DAW that one can record up to 24 tracks simultaniously and control up to 48 channels. So, please don't confuse TouchDAW to Auria, one is just a controller, which there are plenty for iOS, and Auria which is a fully functioning DAW workstation. You can connect a multichannel AD/DA converter to the iPad with the camera connection kit.
In this instance, the skeuomorphic UI is the right way of doing things. Plus the plug-ins work the same way you would expect. Like a professional DAW. A DAW isn't the only thing out on iOS. There are a LOT of companies that simply won't even touch Android for the music industry and the ones that do are the companies that cater towards people with no money. If Apple kicks out a 64 bit iPad within a month or two, which is more likely GOING to happen, you might as well kiss your Android product off the face of the earth. Apple will have a MUCH faster adoption of 64 bit based apps and the professionals will go to Apple.
Nicely written and I think from a business users perspective yes you should buy what supports your requirements whatever the platform . From a mass market sales viewpoint I think the requirement and appeal is much more simple - most people just want a tablet that gives them access to email, internet, Skype, facebook, play movies, music and games etc. Thats where performance and visual quality do count when chosing a device and value for money counts a lot. The rest lies down to marketing and thats where Apple have the upper hand at the moment. The competition were late into the tablet market but are catching up fast. You heard of android TouchDAW by the way lol.
It's like this. You have a toy with an Android product.. So please think about growing up and maturing into an adult, otherwise, you may end up becoming an Hemorrhoid.
Yeah, for your average Joe Blow that doesn't really do anything that requires specialty software, anything will work. It might not be the best thing in town, but it will work, I guess. But if you want to have a BIG choice of apps, hardware that cater to various industries and designed for a tablet rather than smartphone apps installed on a tablet, go with Apple. Apple has far better support not only from Apple, but the various industries you might find yourself becoming involved in someday as a professional. If you look at the big bands, engineers, etc., they aren't using Android products for the most part unless Samsung, etc. pays them to. Go to a concert where people are using computers/tablets on stage. You'll see Apple 99% of the time. Go into any professional recording studio. You'll see Apple 99% of the time. Go to NAMM show, walk around. You'll see pretty much iPads, MacBooks of various types practically everywhere. It's just that's where things are at. Top colleges and schools are using Apple, not Android.. Seriously. Use the tools that more professionals use, so when you do grow up, they'll treat you more as an equal.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own. Lets get this thread back on track - its about problems with the nexus 7 not how good apple products are.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own.
What do you mean "working in IT"? That's a nebulous statement. Well, then go to another site that discusses the platform you chose. I've worked in IT since the mid 80's when PCs started to become popular. Trust me, I've known a lot of IT people make the dumbest decisions, yet since they worked in IT, they thought they knew everything. Most IT people that I've been around only know how to do certain things and making business decisions isn't one of them. I'm too old to even want to know about Android. I know more than i care to.
For someone in IT, you obviously aren't looking at this from a business person's mentality. You just talk about the OS, the OS is only the portion that runs apps. If the apps aren't there, then the OS is useless. It all depends on what you want to do. If you just want the basics of what a tablet comes with then you can run just about anything. But if you want a secure OS, from a company that's been in this industry a LONG time, has the most 3rd party apps/hardware and is generally accepted as the platform of choice for MOST professionals, Android isn' the answer. IT's just a wannabe, me too platform so Google can try to capture or force people to use Google search and YouTube. I don't consider Google any type of serious consideration as an IT product that I would want connected to my business, even if my employees wanted it. I would simply tell them to look for a job elsewhere. I wouldn't want that crap on the network. Come on. Do you know how much malware is on the Android platform? Or maybe since you use Windows, you are kind of ignorant or callous to that and maybe you just don't mind the malware problem, because it gives you job security.
Sorry, but this "I've been in IT for a billion years doesn't mean a thing to me." It's a myth that being in IT gives you the ability to make better decisions. It should, but it doesn't. Why do you think Cisco dumped their own Android tablet in favor of iPads? Why do you think IBM buys iPads? Why do you think most of the school systems are buying iPads? Why do you think a lot of other corporations are buying iPads? Their decisions are not based on price or specs of a particular product. First you have to evaluate the platform on ALL of it's merits. If Nexus tablets were so great, then why do they have to price them a lot cheaper than an iPad, just to get whatever business they can get? Which isn't that many. The Nexus 10 was a bomb. The Nexus 7 only sold around 7 million units as of a couple of months ago, which is about what Apple shipped in the first month of the iPad. The Nexus products are more for developers developing s/w, they aren't really meant for Joe Consumer.
Do you work for Apple? If you don't you should consider it as you bang the drum for their products and software in an eloquent fashion. Damn good marketing - another one totally bought in to their product range and software tie in lol
Do you work for Apple? If you don't you should consider it as you bang the drum for their products and software in an eloquent fashion. Damn good marketing - another one totally bought in to their product range and software tie in lol
No. I don't work for Apple. I have never worked for Apple. I have my own reasons on why I don't work there. I also don't live in an area for which there are jobs that I'm interested in or qualified for. I have used and sold PCs and Macs for years since they both came on to the market and used both platforms side by side. What I enjoy doing is analyzing the market. Apple seems to be the only company that actually has any excitement with regards to new product announcements. Sure, Apple isn't perfect, but who is? Believe me, if i had a couple of days to spend with Ive, and the others that are involved with product design and other aspects of the company, I would rip some egos pretty easily and let them know, NICELY in my own special way what they should be doing. In some areas, they are doing fine, in others they could use a little improvement. But I do submit suggestions and comments directly to them for their review.
I think the change over to 64 bit processors is a game changer. I obviously think that at least the new iPad 5 will have a A7(most likely X version) processor, which would be consistent with how they announce new processors. Will they have that in a new iPad Mini? I'm not sure if they will or not, or if it's actually needed just yet for that market. I'm just waiting to see this IGZO technology and what it's all about. I've read about it, but haven't seen it up close and personal.
Picky comments - I don't need an english grammar lesson!. Fair enough on Antutu - benchmarks can vary but still a valid comment -. performance is a factor customers should consider when buying a device unless your happy with slow response and lag. All Nexus users can upgrade to 4.3. I think you will find that the Nexus 7 can operate equally efficiently as any other tablet on the market and is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about. Have you looked at a Nexus 7 2013? It a class product for the price. Course if its a product name that you must have irrespective of anything else then all the factors are meaningless as you will follow the herd lol.
That's not a grammar lesson, simply a criticism of the meaningless use of that "hip" phrase! It's just that in the last couple of years I've seen "going forward", used so much I guess I just snapped! Sorry.
I didn't say performance wasn't a factor. I said " the majority of users don't take any interest in performance figures as long as the device operates as they want". Performance, like functionality, quality of physical construction, reliability, application availability, battery life, and so on combine to make a harmonious whole. There's no point in having blazing performance if the device only lasts two hours on a charge.
You said that "the Nexus 7 ... is the best bang for your buck which is what it is all about". Well, that depends on what your purchase criteria are and as above, if you factor in more than just processor benchmarks to make your purchasing decisions then you should consider:- app availability, the number of apps making full use of the tablet's screen (say), lack of malware, screen quality and clarity, speaker quality, recording clarity, video recording performance and much more besides. I happen to believe that Apple makes better compromises on their products than anyone else. You believe otherwise and that's fine.
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No. I don't work for Apple. I have never worked for Apple. I have my own reasons on why I don't work there. I also don't live in an area for which there are jobs that I'm interested in or qualified for. I have used and sold PCs and Macs for years since they both came on to the market and used both platforms side by side. What I enjoy doing is analyzing the market. Apple seems to be the only company that actually has any excitement with regards to new product announcements. Sure, Apple isn't perfect, but who is? Believe me, if i had a couple of days to spend with Ive, and the others that are involved with product design and other aspects of the company, I would rip some egos pretty easily and let them know, NICELY in my own special way what they should be doing. In some areas, they are doing fine, in others they could use a little improvement. But I do submit suggestions and comments directly to them for their review.
I think the change over to 64 bit processors is a game changer. I obviously think that at least the new iPad 5 will have a A7(most likely X version) processor, which would be consistent with how they announce new processors. Will they have that in a new iPad Mini? I'm not sure if they will or not, or if it's actually needed just yet for that market. I'm just waiting to see this IGZO technology and what it's all about. I've read about it, but haven't seen it up close and personal.
Fair comments - I am not knocking the Apple build quality,selection of available software, support etc . I just like to have a choice of what I do with something I buy. I don't like the imposed restrictions and software family tie in. Its not for me - I am an old gamer from the Doom days and I like to build my hardware , modify software and install custom Op systems where possible. On phones and tablets that leans me towards Android as open source. If I bought Apple first thing I would do is jailbreak it lol . Its a personal view - all the points you made are good ones and I don't seek to challenge them. If I were running a business Apple products would certainly be a contender.
I am already grown up which is why I can make an informed decision as to what I buy . Working in I.T. since 1970 helps as well lol. I like the Android interface as it is simpler and slicker than IOS to use from a personal perspective. The tablet works and is great value for the money. If I want to use business apps I have a laptop and desktop - running windows 8 of course lol. Everyone to their own. Lets get this thread back on track - its about problems with the nexus 7 not how good apple products are.
Why waste money on a Nexus then, when a $49 tablet will give you much the same functionality?
Why waste money on a Nexus then, when a $49 tablet will give you much the same functionality?
Haha replace Nexus with ipad mini and you have a more acurate statement. Actually thats not fair - many cheaper tablets will give you same functionality all be it on a lower version of Android with some limited capabilities.e.g. GPS , Wifi range. Just depends what levels of visual and performance u accept and what the lifespan of the purchase is. $49 tablet tend to die quick. Me I like my Nexus - you I suspect like your ipad mini - everyone to their own. The Android vs IOS arguement gets boring after a while. Android and IOS both have their good and bad points as do the hardware that host them . Hardware and operating systems continue to develop and improve as does the the marketing of them as the latest and best thing. Most people will chose what best suits their needs and are mostly happy with their choice whatever is may be. Some must just have the latest product to show off irrespective of what it can do. Me - I just need something thats reasonably well built, does all the required basics well with a good wifi range, GPS, good visuals, responsive IPS and fast application response times. I don't need an SD card slot - I can use stickmount or Googledrive for extra storage. I also want the ability to be able to hack the system and get root access. This allows the installation of root software apps e.g. stickmount and custom Roms - the numerous ROMs give additional features, enhanced performance and also enhance my end user experience. Stops me from getting bored as I can mod my system when I feel like it. The Nexus 7 gives me all that for a fair price and I am happy.