Since this is a family site, let's just say Ballmer bent over forward to get their business.
"Flight 451, I'm having trouble reading you...there's a loud clicking noise in the background."
This really doesn't matter in the long run. When Microsoft dumps the ST, Delta will be crawling back to Apple... Delta's Surfaces will join in building that growing new island off the coast of Redmond WA.
One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.
Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.
Just great. Delays, delays, delays when the Surface does not wake up. "This is the captain, please take a nap while we get this f*&^&^g thing to work again...
1930s Speed, Comfort and Convenience (We're sorry about that "Safety" thing)
1935 The Trans-Southern Route (The Yankee's won't let us fly over habitable areas since that 1929 "oops.")
1940 The Airline of the South (Wooeee, them Yankees are still holding a grudge)
1948 None Faster. None Finer. To and Through the South. (Sometimes we even fly "over" the South)
1950s Hospitality and Service from the Heart ( We stopped mentioning the South along with the North - we just fly east and west over the gulf)
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What happened with Delta in 1929? They were still crop-dusting then in addition to sometimes carrying one lone passenger. Something to do with the crop-dusting?
Maybe its possible that delta relies heavily on microsft office and they figured it would bet better to give the pilots surfaces and lumia 820's because they both have office on them?
Guess I won't being buying a Ford (Sync) or a Tesla (Android) or now flying on Delta.
Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!
Live tiles, two apps at once, a clickity-clack keyboard. DUH!!!
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Pilots don't need live tiles. They need to read their manuals, which I believe are PDF files. And that clickity-clack keyboard isn't so clickity-clack - it's very mushy and hard to type on. Furthermore, where are they going to set this down in order to use the keyboard - it doesn't work so well in your lap, even if it were a decent keyboard.
As others, I think Microsoft probably gave them a deal they couldn't refuse and Apple probably didn't. And I bet they had a conservative IT department with some head who still thought that Apple products are toys.
As for those people who claim that you're not going to fly Delta anymore, I think that's completely ridiculous. Do you check each component on the plane to see who manufactured it? Do you check Delta's offices to see if they use Apple products or not? If a restaurant has an electronic menu system for the waiters on a Pad that's not Apple's, do you not eat there? Get over your fanboyism - it's absurd.
If they're rolling out 10,000 units, a $200 price differential is $2 million. If you're an executive there making this decision, you have to rationalize why you'd spend $2 million more. Could you beyond, "well, I like Apple better"? The only case you'd have is that the Windows Surface is so far a disaster and they could be discontinued in the future.
One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.
To use tablets in the cockpit, the testing that is done is with the FAA. It's public, not quiet. You need to use the actual devices which will be used in specific aircraft. It's an official, public, certification procedure, it's not like an IT department testing some pre-release units in the field. It takes roughly a year to complete (depends on the number of aircraft being certified for use). The story would've been more credible if they were talking about the Surface RT instead of the Surface 2, because at least then I'd believe they had a chance to go through the testing.
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Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.
That's not going to work. One critical piece of software is from Jeppesen. They're a 3,200 person company founded in 1934 and now owned by Boeing. They make charts and have for decades done paper charts and since 1996 have been doing charting software and apps. Most of their software either requires Windows XP or iOS. You can't really "replicate" Jeppesen. The data is enormous and the software is... well, designed with people's lives in mind.
In addition to "map" charts, there is also the issue of checklists for take-off/landings as well as emergencies and documentation regarding the aircraft itself.
Now it's possible that Microsoft/Delta could contract Jeppesen to develop software for the Surface 2, but the cost per device to do so would be insane, plus the testing couldn't occur until the software was developed. Boeing, being a publicly traded company would have to disclose such information as it impacts their financial reporting.
It's called price dumping. Microsoft will do that to get an account. If Delta has the BYOD program and enough pilots bring their own iPad, I think that would be funny. That's usually what happens in a BYOD program.
Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!
Good. At least they got one thing right. How easy is it to use the 17inch screen while driving? Is it too distracting? That's my main concern with their system. How about comfort? What did you drive before you switched to a Tesla? Just curious.
[quote name="patpatpat" url="/t/159816/delta-airlines-to-distribute-surface-2-to-pilots-after-ipad-trial/90#post_2407414"] I could be wrong but most hospital computers run Microsoft. [/quote
Well imagine all the lives that can be safe if they used apple...
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Since this is a family site, let's just say Ballmer bent over forward to get their business.
"Flight 451, I'm having trouble reading you...there's a loud clicking noise in the background."
This really doesn't matter in the long run. When Microsoft dumps the ST, Delta will be crawling back to Apple... Delta's Surfaces will join in building that growing new island off the coast of Redmond WA.
1929 Speed, Comfort and Safety
1930s Speed, Comfort and Convenience (We're sorry about that "Safety" thing)
1935 The Trans-Southern Route (The Yankee's won't let us fly over habitable areas since that 1929 "oops.")
1940 The Airline of the South (Wooeee, them Yankees are still holding a grudge)
1948 None Faster. None Finer. To and Through the South. (Sometimes we even fly "over" the South)
1950s Hospitality and Service from the Heart ( We stopped mentioning the South along with the North - we just fly east and west over the gulf)
- - - - -
- - - - -
- - - - -
- - - - -
Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.
Just great. Delays, delays, delays when the Surface does not wake up. "This is the captain, please take a nap while we get this f*&^&^g thing to work again...
What happened with Delta in 1929? They were still crop-dusting then in addition to sometimes carrying one lone passenger. Something to do with the crop-dusting?
Maybe its possible that delta relies heavily on microsft office and they figured it would bet better to give the pilots surfaces and lumia 820's because they both have office on them?
Yeah, it’s a brick.
Enjoy having three hands, freak.
And the iPad has every port computing has ever created.
Except it doesn’t.
Ugh!
Guess I won't being buying a Ford (Sync) or a Tesla (Android) or now flying on Delta.
Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!
I own one and drive it on a daily basis.
OOH. How is it?
Live tiles, two apps at once, a clickity-clack keyboard. DUH!!!
/s
Pilots don't need live tiles. They need to read their manuals, which I believe are PDF files. And that clickity-clack keyboard isn't so clickity-clack - it's very mushy and hard to type on. Furthermore, where are they going to set this down in order to use the keyboard - it doesn't work so well in your lap, even if it were a decent keyboard.
As others, I think Microsoft probably gave them a deal they couldn't refuse and Apple probably didn't. And I bet they had a conservative IT department with some head who still thought that Apple products are toys.
As for those people who claim that you're not going to fly Delta anymore, I think that's completely ridiculous. Do you check each component on the plane to see who manufactured it? Do you check Delta's offices to see if they use Apple products or not? If a restaurant has an electronic menu system for the waiters on a Pad that's not Apple's, do you not eat there? Get over your fanboyism - it's absurd.
If they're rolling out 10,000 units, a $200 price differential is $2 million. If you're an executive there making this decision, you have to rationalize why you'd spend $2 million more. Could you beyond, "well, I like Apple better"? The only case you'd have is that the Windows Surface is so far a disaster and they could be discontinued in the future.
One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.
To use tablets in the cockpit, the testing that is done is with the FAA. It's public, not quiet. You need to use the actual devices which will be used in specific aircraft. It's an official, public, certification procedure, it's not like an IT department testing some pre-release units in the field. It takes roughly a year to complete (depends on the number of aircraft being certified for use). The story would've been more credible if they were talking about the Surface RT instead of the Surface 2, because at least then I'd believe they had a chance to go through the testing.
That's not going to work. One critical piece of software is from Jeppesen. They're a 3,200 person company founded in 1934 and now owned by Boeing. They make charts and have for decades done paper charts and since 1996 have been doing charting software and apps. Most of their software either requires Windows XP or iOS. You can't really "replicate" Jeppesen. The data is enormous and the software is... well, designed with people's lives in mind.
In addition to "map" charts, there is also the issue of checklists for take-off/landings as well as emergencies and documentation regarding the aircraft itself.
Now it's possible that Microsoft/Delta could contract Jeppesen to develop software for the Surface 2, but the cost per device to do so would be insane, plus the testing couldn't occur until the software was developed. Boeing, being a publicly traded company would have to disclose such information as it impacts their financial reporting.
I will never fly this shitty jet
Wonder what the kickbacks and bribes were.
It's called price dumping. Microsoft will do that to get an account. If Delta has the BYOD program and enough pilots bring their own iPad, I think that would be funny. That's usually what happens in a BYOD program.
Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!
Good. At least they got one thing right. How easy is it to use the 17inch screen while driving? Is it too distracting? That's my main concern with their system. How about comfort? What did you drive before you switched to a Tesla? Just curious.
I could be wrong but most hospital computers run Microsoft.
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Well imagine all the lives that can be safe if they used apple...