Wrong on both counts. Tizen 1.0 from last year looked more like Android, and its slider controls were vertical boxes that looked like a sloppy attempt to look like OS X, rather than appropriating iOS 7’s distinctive round controls as the latest Tizen 2 does. Suggesting that Samsung doesn’t always look to Apple for its "inspiration" for everything is just embarrassing for you.
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Tizen 2.0 operating system released to developers
The Intel and Samsung backed operating system is seen as potential competition to Android in some markets
By John Ribeiro
February 18, 2013 11:48 PM
Apple is finished - game over. Obviously from what you have said Samsung knows what Apple are up to nearly a year in advance, they might as well give up.
Apple is finished - game over. Obviously from what you have said Samsung knows what Apple are up to nearly a year in advance, they might as well give up.
On the other hand, you could be wrong.
No you are wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Tizen 2.0 also looked like Android, and the link you gave of MWC can be seen to have the same weird controls as Tizen 1.0.
It's not easy to reverse engineer a chip. It's clearly beyond the scope of Google and samsung who are furiously trying but they realize they will spending $2 billion dollars with no real payoff. They are hoping ARM does one in the nxt 5 years so they can continue to sell $20 smartphones - based on their sales graph of high end smartphones, it's clear they are conceeding that to Apple and will just be aiming at the mid tier to bargain hunters - there are only 500 million high end users (Apple's market) and over 2 billion mid to low end users - where Google and samsung are more comfortable. they can copy technology and simply use marketing to differentiate.
The Note III lacks the volume and thermal constraints of being a phone-sized device. It’s a small tablet. It has a "8 core" chip (four of which are large, the other four of which are anemic embedded cores) clocked far higher and is outfitted with more RAM and supported by a larger battery. It certainly is "no slouch," but it’s also expensive and not very popular outside of Korea, where is has been very popular.
But Korea is only 11% of Samsung’s TOTAL market, and "Phablets" only account for 7-10% of the market elsewhere, including China.
The problem for Samsung and its Note III powered by an 8 core chip is that chip can’t be used in other volume devices or at all in the North American market. So all that work and investment went into Exynos low volume parts that aren’t very flexible and hog resources and cost a lot.
Samsung's flagship versions of the Galaxy Note III and Galaxy S4 in South Korea both use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 and not Samsung's Exynos 5410/5420. This is done to utilize LTE-Advanced which is only being offered in South Korea.
Samsung would need to find a competitive solution for LTE/LTE-A before their Exynos designs can be taken seriously.
There is always the chance Samsung might utilize Intel's X86-64 Silvermont and Intel's XMM 7160/7260 for LTE/LTE-A. Silvermont would also make a great platform for a 64-bit Android or potentially Tizen.
What is innovative about resizable windows? All I see is a clunky hack that wastes a huge chunk of screen in order to make it one-handed friendly.
If one hates Apple, anything competitors do is "innovation." And everything Apple does is "stale." This is how the AI trolling game is played. Repeat next thread.
I'm pretty sure it's the silly feature where the camera records using both the front and back facing cameras at the same time. Some Android phones already do this with photos, taking a picture of you taking the picture, and then storing both together... for some reason. Sounds like that may also happen with video?
So? I come here to read Apple news. Not cherry picked "festures" or "editorials" about Samsung.
Then why bother to read the story and write two posts complaining about it? Skip over it - many of us WANT to read such stories. Quit annoying us with your repetitive, whiny posts.
Look at what companies like Micromax (which has equal share as samsung for smartphone market in India) is doing to samsung. Micromax is making very very similar phones like samsung in terms of size, HW features, SW features but sell it at 60% of samsung price. In a year or two, Micromax is going to be bigger market share than samsung in india.
It would be interesting to see if Samsung would go after them for any type of copyright/patent infringement.
Look at what companies like Micromax (which has equal share as samsung for smartphone market in India) is doing to samsung. Micromax is making very very similar phones like samsung in terms of size, HW features, SW features but sell it at 60% of samsung price. In a year or two, Micromax is going to be bigger market share than samsung in india.
It would be interesting to see if Samsung would go after them for any type of copyright/patent infringement.
Samsung will probably follow their usual modus operandi:-
a) pay people to relentlessly bash them online,
b) carpet bomb with an advertising blitz via every available medium.
What does 64 bit have to do with Apple having a better Google Now or Google Maps? Or something we're not even thinking about? To me 64 bit is just more evidence that Apple excels at hardware more than software.
Techno-hipsters may be clamoring for a larger-screened iPhone, but let me clue you in, out here in the real world, anybody who wrestles one of these ridiculous tombstone phones out of their pocket is a laughingstock. You may not see everybody rolling their eyes and smirking at each other behind your back, but believe me, they are. I see it every day on the bus, in stores, basically everywhere I go.
The iPhone's screen is already too big, in the sense that they increased its size by going to 16:9—a horrendous aspect ratio for a phone, or a tablet...or a computer monitor, for that matter. Absolutely the only screen that should be 16:9 is a TV. Period. The oddball 3:2 aspect ratio on the original iPhone was already too narrow. What they should do is eliminate the side bezel and maintain the same screen area with a 4:3 ratio.
I guarantee the people screaming for a bigger iPhone are some of the same ones who were squealing about the original iPhone being too big. Just pathological Apple-bashers and paid shills.
I agree about aspect ratio; however, I am neither an Apple hater nor paid shill and I want a bigger screen. Ultimately, after trying a Galaxy S4 for six months, I came back because of lag and other usability/integration issues, but it sure was nice not to have to scroll back and forth so much.
What does 64 bit have to do with Apple having a better Google Now or Google Maps? Or something we're not even thinking about? To me 64 bit is just more evidence that Apple excels at hardware more than software.
Millions of iPhone 5s users are already using 64bit software AND hardware.
The timer for Android/Samsung to catch up started on the day Apple caught them by surprise by announcing it.
I don't use either of those services, I prefer alternatives, any alternatives to the bait Google uses to sell ads, I either uninstalled them or didn't install them in the first place, across the board, I don't use any of their software.
What does 64 bit have to do with Apple having a better Google Now or Google Maps? Or something we're not even thinking about? To me 64 bit is just more evidence that Apple excels at hardware more than software.
On software, did you forget about iOS? Would you prefer Android?
By the way, Google Earth has an insanely disheveled interface. Google Now I haven't used, but I suspect its strength lies in how Google can leverage search and location data and the datbase itself. This is a legitimate Google strength and we know why—to sell user data in real time.
64 bit so far has to do with Apple giving the user a better photography experience through image-processing software. Apple has always been as good with software as they are with hardware. I fact, I think they see function and form as two parts of the same process of usability. Put that in your meme pipe and smoke it.
Tizen 2.2 was beta released in late July, and ripped off the look of iOS7 from WWDC nearly two months earlier.
Why do you lie about everything or speak well past your understanding of the subject? Do you really love Samsung’s third rate crap that much?
Are you actually DeD head?
You claim the WWDC where iOS was previewed was nearly two months prior to the release of Tizen 2.2, which you say borrows the round horizontal sliders from iOS 7. The WWDC started on June 10th. Tizen 2.2 was released on July 21nd. That is not "nearly 2 months" in my Weltanschauung.
But ok, Samsung's lightning fast coders might barely have had time to copy those rounded sliders you seem so irate over - except, yet again, they must have been prescient, because those design elements seem to have already been in Tizen 2.1 released on the18th of May. For some reason, I found a Youtube video of a phone running Tizen 2.1 that was uploaded on the 4th of May. It shows the rounded icons, the rounded point headers and the rounded on-off switches. Another video from the 11th of May shows horizontal rounded sliders:
Oops, I think the basis for your hissy little rant just flew right out the window - bye bye little rant.
Oh hang on a minute, the slider in that video doesn't have the numerical value of the setting - oh dear - maybe they borrowed that bit - from their own Bada OS from 2010:
How naughty of them.
You really shouldn't bandy about accusations like 'liar' - you know, in case someone less polite than I was to refer to an old saw based on cooking apparatus.
I'm pretty sure it's the silly feature where the camera records using both the front and back facing cameras at the same time. Some Android phones already do this with photos, taking a picture of you taking the picture, and then storing both together... for some reason. Sounds like that may also happen with video?
Pretty sure you're right. Turn any picture into a selfie-within-a-picture. Dual camcording!
So you can see a 1 fps difference? Which is what the iPhone lost by in 2 of the 3 rendering losses. And yes, anything over 60fps is "not noticeable" because onscreen performance is limited by v-sync. So that means the Note III would have capped out at 60 fps due to vsync which means that onscreen difference would really have only been 3 fps or a 5% gap instead of 12 fps or a 20% gap. Also, 99% of people won't see the difference between 57 and 60 fps because they are so close.
On the other hand, the Note III lost to the 5S at margins of 11 fps (37 vs 26) for T-Rex HD, 11 fps again (27 vs 16) on Basemark X onscreen and 2 fps (15 vs 13) on Basemark X offscreen.
So A7's losses were 2% (53 fps vs 54 fps), 4% (24 fps vs 25fps) and 21% (57 fps vs 69 fps) on rendering tests. Note III's losses were 42% (26 fps vs 37 fps), 69% (16 fps vs 27 fps) and 16% (15.7 fps vs 13.5 fps). The only thing embarrassing is that the Note III didn't beat the A7 in every test and in 2 of it's 3 losses percentage-wise it lost by 2 and 3 times the margin of the A7's worse loss respectively and it's narrowest loss margin was 8 times worse than the A7's narrowest loss margin.
by the losses were embarassing, I meant embarrassing for samsung.....
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Originally Posted by MikeJones
Jokes are defined by being funny, no? And, no, I got your attempt at a joke. It just completely failed and missed the mark. The A7 is not half-baked nor rushed and hence your "joke" basically falls flat.
dude.
turn on your sarcasm detector.
you were supposed to get that even without one....
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Wrong on both counts. Tizen 1.0 from last year looked more like Android, and its slider controls were vertical boxes that looked like a sloppy attempt to look like OS X, rather than appropriating iOS 7’s distinctive round controls as the latest Tizen 2 does. Suggesting that Samsung doesn’t always look to Apple for its "inspiration" for everything is just embarrassing for you.
Tizen 2.0 operating system released to developers
The Intel and Samsung backed operating system is seen as potential competition to Android in some markets
February 18, 2013 11:48 PM
Apple is finished - game over. Obviously from what you have said Samsung knows what Apple are up to nearly a year in advance, they might as well give up.
On the other hand, you could be wrong.
Apple is finished - game over. Obviously from what you have said Samsung knows what Apple are up to nearly a year in advance, they might as well give up.
On the other hand, you could be wrong.
No you are wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Tizen 2.0 also looked like Android, and the link you gave of MWC can be seen to have the same weird controls as Tizen 1.0.
Tizen 2.0 Hands On at MWC 2013 | Engadget - YouTube
Tizen 2.2 was beta released in late July, and ripped off the look of iOS7 from WWDC nearly two months earlier.
Why do you lie about everything or speak well past your understanding of the subject? Do you really love Samsung’s third rate crap that much?
64bit, the countdown began on September 10, 2013.
Intel officially released Silvermont X86-64 at IDF13 on September 10th~12th, 2013.
Yup, you totally missed the joke. No worries though, I agree that the A7 is not half-baked or rushed.
ARMv8 has been ready since 2012, but in order for Apple to get it to market quickly (and in quantity), they had to use a 28nm process.
The Note III lacks the volume and thermal constraints of being a phone-sized device. It’s a small tablet. It has a "8 core" chip (four of which are large, the other four of which are anemic embedded cores) clocked far higher and is outfitted with more RAM and supported by a larger battery. It certainly is "no slouch," but it’s also expensive and not very popular outside of Korea, where is has been very popular.
But Korea is only 11% of Samsung’s TOTAL market, and "Phablets" only account for 7-10% of the market elsewhere, including China.
The problem for Samsung and its Note III powered by an 8 core chip is that chip can’t be used in other volume devices or at all in the North American market. So all that work and investment went into Exynos low volume parts that aren’t very flexible and hog resources and cost a lot.
Samsung's flagship versions of the Galaxy Note III and Galaxy S4 in South Korea both use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 and not Samsung's Exynos 5410/5420. This is done to utilize LTE-Advanced which is only being offered in South Korea.
Samsung would need to find a competitive solution for LTE/LTE-A before their Exynos designs can be taken seriously.
There is always the chance Samsung might utilize Intel's X86-64 Silvermont and Intel's XMM 7160/7260 for LTE/LTE-A. Silvermont would also make a great platform for a 64-bit Android or potentially Tizen.
If one hates Apple, anything competitors do is "innovation." And everything Apple does is "stale." This is how the AI trolling game is played. Repeat next thread.
I'm pretty sure it's the silly feature where the camera records using both the front and back facing cameras at the same time. Some Android phones already do this with photos, taking a picture of you taking the picture, and then storing both together... for some reason. Sounds like that may also happen with video?
So? I come here to read Apple news. Not cherry picked "festures" or "editorials" about Samsung.
Then why bother to read the story and write two posts complaining about it? Skip over it - many of us WANT to read such stories. Quit annoying us with your repetitive, whiny posts.
I agree with you.
Look at what companies like Micromax (which has equal share as samsung for smartphone market in India) is doing to samsung. Micromax is making very very similar phones like samsung in terms of size, HW features, SW features but sell it at 60% of samsung price. In a year or two, Micromax is going to be bigger market share than samsung in india.
It would be interesting to see if Samsung would go after them for any type of copyright/patent infringement.
I agree with you.
Look at what companies like Micromax (which has equal share as samsung for smartphone market in India) is doing to samsung. Micromax is making very very similar phones like samsung in terms of size, HW features, SW features but sell it at 60% of samsung price. In a year or two, Micromax is going to be bigger market share than samsung in india.
It would be interesting to see if Samsung would go after them for any type of copyright/patent infringement.
Samsung will probably follow their usual modus operandi:-
a) pay people to relentlessly bash them online,
b) carpet bomb with an advertising blitz via every available medium.
I agree about aspect ratio; however, I am neither an Apple hater nor paid shill and I want a bigger screen. Ultimately, after trying a Galaxy S4 for six months, I came back because of lag and other usability/integration issues, but it sure was nice not to have to scroll back and forth so much.
What does 64 bit have to do with Apple having a better Google Now or Google Maps? Or something we're not even thinking about? To me 64 bit is just more evidence that Apple excels at hardware more than software.
Millions of iPhone 5s users are already using 64bit software AND hardware.
The timer for Android/Samsung to catch up started on the day Apple caught them by surprise by announcing it.
I don't use either of those services, I prefer alternatives, any alternatives to the bait Google uses to sell ads, I either uninstalled them or didn't install them in the first place, across the board, I don't use any of their software.
I no longer want to participate in their schemes.
That indeed must be the most pathetic way to go about a larger screen. They truly don't get the bigger picture.
Only thing I like about that phone is f/2. I also saw specs that I cannot comprehend why this is being implemented, like IR and DNLA.
On software, did you forget about iOS? Would you prefer Android?
By the way, Google Earth has an insanely disheveled interface. Google Now I haven't used, but I suspect its strength lies in how Google can leverage search and location data and the datbase itself. This is a legitimate Google strength and we know why—to sell user data in real time.
64 bit so far has to do with Apple giving the user a better photography experience through image-processing software. Apple has always been as good with software as they are with hardware. I fact, I think they see function and form as two parts of the same process of usability. Put that in your meme pipe and smoke it.
No you are wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Tizen 2.0 also looked like Android, and the link you gave of MWC can be seen to have the same weird controls as Tizen 1.0.
Tizen 2.0 Hands On at MWC 2013 | Engadget - YouTube
Tizen 2.2 was beta released in late July, and ripped off the look of iOS7 from WWDC nearly two months earlier.
Why do you lie about everything or speak well past your understanding of the subject? Do you really love Samsung’s third rate crap that much?
Are you actually DeD head?
You claim the WWDC where iOS was previewed was nearly two months prior to the release of Tizen 2.2, which you say borrows the round horizontal sliders from iOS 7. The WWDC started on June 10th. Tizen 2.2 was released on July 21nd. That is not "nearly 2 months" in my Weltanschauung.
But ok, Samsung's lightning fast coders might barely have had time to copy those rounded sliders you seem so irate over - except, yet again, they must have been prescient, because those design elements seem to have already been in Tizen 2.1 released on the18th of May. For some reason, I found a Youtube video of a phone running Tizen 2.1 that was uploaded on the 4th of May. It shows the rounded icons, the rounded point headers and the rounded on-off switches. Another video from the 11th of May shows horizontal rounded sliders:
Oops, I think the basis for your hissy little rant just flew right out the window - bye bye little rant.
Oh hang on a minute, the slider in that video doesn't have the numerical value of the setting - oh dear - maybe they borrowed that bit - from their own Bada OS from 2010:
How naughty of them.
You really shouldn't bandy about accusations like 'liar' - you know, in case someone less polite than I was to refer to an old saw based on cooking apparatus.
Pretty sure you're right. Turn any picture into a selfie-within-a-picture. Dual camcording!
So you can see a 1 fps difference? Which is what the iPhone lost by in 2 of the 3 rendering losses. And yes, anything over 60fps is "not noticeable" because onscreen performance is limited by v-sync. So that means the Note III would have capped out at 60 fps due to vsync which means that onscreen difference would really have only been 3 fps or a 5% gap instead of 12 fps or a 20% gap. Also, 99% of people won't see the difference between 57 and 60 fps because they are so close.
On the other hand, the Note III lost to the 5S at margins of 11 fps (37 vs 26) for T-Rex HD, 11 fps again (27 vs 16) on Basemark X onscreen and 2 fps (15 vs 13) on Basemark X offscreen.
So A7's losses were 2% (53 fps vs 54 fps), 4% (24 fps vs 25fps) and 21% (57 fps vs 69 fps) on rendering tests. Note III's losses were 42% (26 fps vs 37 fps), 69% (16 fps vs 27 fps) and 16% (15.7 fps vs 13.5 fps). The only thing embarrassing is that the Note III didn't beat the A7 in every test and in 2 of it's 3 losses percentage-wise it lost by 2 and 3 times the margin of the A7's worse loss respectively and it's narrowest loss margin was 8 times worse than the A7's narrowest loss margin.
by the losses were embarassing, I meant embarrassing for samsung.....
Jokes are defined by being funny, no? And, no, I got your attempt at a joke. It just completely failed and missed the mark. The A7 is not half-baked nor rushed and hence your "joke" basically falls flat.