Apple's iPhone 5c 'failure flop' outsold Blackberry, Windows Phone and every Android flagship in Q4

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  • Reply 181 of 299
    gfdsa wrote: »
    Simpler answer - people are accustomed to price pyramid, where cheaper stuff is supposed to sell in higher quantities than more expensive stuff. 5C fails to follow this for various reasons, and the brain of the simple minded locks up. DED - love your articles, keep on writing!

    It's not just the 5C... Apple's 2nd-tier "year-old" model has never been the volume seller.

    Today... the 5S sells more than the 5C and the 4S

    Last year... the 5 sold more than the 4S and the 4

    And the year before that... the 4S sold more than the 4 and 3GS

    It seems that the iPhones never follow the price pyramid. The more expensive model is actually the sales leader.
  • Reply 182 of 299
    nihadnihad Posts: 1member
    apple iphone 5c is not a flop u r right.but calling it "world's second most popular smartphone behind iPhone 5s" is bit exagerration and "Apple's iPhone 5c outselling Blackberry, Windows Phone and every Android flagship in Q4 " worldwide is a lie may be in us.
  • Reply 183 of 299
    woochiferwoochifer Posts: 384member
    As usual the "5c was a flop = FACT" brigade miss the fundamental point about the 5c. The ONLY relevant measure is how well the 5c sales compare with the prior year's mid tier model. And on that count, the 5c represents a year over year increase by all estimates.

    The other relevant angle that hardly anybody touches on (presumably because it's simple common sense) is how the supply chain factors into the 5c's introduction. It was well known that the aluminum shell used on the iPhone 5 created a major production bottleneck when that model launched.

    Keeping the 5 while launching the 5s would have required a substantial increase in CNC machining capacity, since both models share the same shell and many of the internals. The plastic shell and stamped steel frames used in the 5c require far less time to manufacture, and free up the production capacity for the 5s. Imagine the outcry from "analysts" if Apple had missed its profit targets because it had to shift production capacity to the 5s and had nothing left for the mid tier buyers.

    Tim Cook is supply chain guru, and if anyone wants to see the strategy behind the 5c, look first at how it fits into the supply chain flow. It totally makes sense.

    Once the iPhone 6 comes out with a different exterior design, the supply chain rationale for the 5c goes away, since the 5s does not need to share any production capacity with the new model. It will be interesting to see wha tApple does with the 5c after this model year, because it has a specific role this year -- fill the mid tier price point, while freeing up production capacity for the flagship model.
  • Reply 184 of 299
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    nihad wrote: »
    apple iphone 5c is not a flop u r right.but calling it "world's second most popular smartphone behind iPhone 5s" is bit exagerration and "Apple's iPhone 5c outselling Blackberry, Windows Phone and every Android flagship in Q4 " worldwide is a lie may be in us.

    Read the article and prove that it's a "lie."

    Additionally, it doesn't take a great deal of effort to outsell Windows Phone and Blackberry; one being a pointless, redundant platform with barely any traction, and the other being in a state of sustained nosedive, respectively.

    This places it squarely against Android FLAGSHIP phones, and I can totally see an iOS device outselling them. Easily. It's what the 5 and 5s, and every other iPhone have done on a regular basis since their introduction. It's not a stretch to see the 5c achieving it at some point.

    Once again, it's par for the course that most of Apple's "flops" are the envy of the rest of the industry.
  • Reply 185 of 299
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

    Notwithstanding AI's great efforts above, the fact is: the 5C is a FLOP, aka the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world.

     have never seen anyone with a 5C - and I can assure you that the 5C will go down in history as one of Apple's major market failures ever; it will be quietly discontinued in the coming months (or, more appropriately, "superseded" by revamped non-5C models). 


    I thought I was seeing mostly the  iPhone 5C, in inquiring of the owners I found many 5S users were putting a colored plastic case around it. I'm not surprised the switching android users picked mostly the 5C; they are much more sensitive to the downpayment, they obviously don't look at the bigger picture.

     

     I wouldn't recommend the 4S to anyone, it has too little available memory, only about 1GB.

     

    I'm using my still excellent 3+yr old  iPhone 4 on iOS7.  Works great, within the 4's hardware capability.

  • Reply 186 of 299
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post

     

    its not a complex, it is just the way it is by default(jealousy). Lesser peeps use the lesser products. Always have always will.  If you are a lesser peep then fine, you can be lesser by choice, too.

    Name ONE advantage of android.

    and explain how that is a disadvantage for iPhone.

    Waiting...




    Your attitude is incredibly shallow.

  • Reply 187 of 299
    bondm16bondm16 Posts: 141member

    Can someone explain to me how, when the 5C managed to outsell Blackberry, Windows Phone and every Android flagship in Q4, this still happens http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/winners-2013-engadget-awards-readers-choice/

  • Reply 188 of 299

    OPPO FIND 7

  • Reply 189 of 299
    I would buy the IPhone 5c if it was available in a 'Black' version. And i think there are more people who would also%u2026
  • Reply 190 of 299

    WTF? I've been to you profile and seen your comments and come to the conclusion that apple is paying you and sending you devices out every launch. They have to be for you to constantly be bashing others. Its a shame that you feel the need to to go to such lengths for you inanimate object. Its pathetic, it really is. Tell Tim Cook I said hi because you two are apparently best friends.

  • Reply 191 of 299

    WTF? I've been to you profile and seen your comments and come to the conclusion that apple is paying you and sending you devices out every launch. They have to be for you to constantly be bashing others. Its a shame that you feel the need to to go to such lengths for you inanimate object. Its pathetic, it really is 

  • Reply 192 of 299
    I got shot down on this site last week for describing the gorgeously colourful 5c as the second best selling smart phone in the US.....sounds like I wasn't wrong.
  • Reply 193 of 299
    marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member

    Maybe he is telling the truth about Apple i phones and their other products.

  • Reply 194 of 299
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

    Originally Posted by Slicksim View Post

    I got shot down on this site last week for describing the gorgeously colourful 5c as the second best selling smart phone in the US...

     

    That sounds like it didn’t happen. We tend not to be morons here. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 195 of 299
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    dreyfus2 wrote: »
    The article is certainly right in that the "failure" claim is nonsense, nothing to argue.

    Still, it does not really account for the fact that, due to the subsidy situation, the 5c seems to be far less relevant in markets with no real subsidies outside the US. I commute between Germany and India and I see tons of 5s and have not seen a single 5c ever. Yes, this is anecdotal, but no best seller page of any local telco lists the 5c at all. (It is hard to really draw conclusions from that though, as most of them treat each color and capacity as a unique device.) My telco has even eliminated all but the white and blue models from their catalog.

    Not saying it is a failure, but a US only debuttal is only half the story.

    I certainly have to agree with the above bolded statement. In addition:

    In Germany and many other European countries, the trend has been to stay away from "contract phones" and rather purchase the phones and contract seperately.

    So the price of phones matter the most here. So a price check from this site Check24

    5c 16gb = 499,90
    5s 16gb = 587,30

    Samsung S4 16gb = 340,00 reported

    IF you are a power business user and Apple fan its clear which phone you're going to choose.

    IF you're going bang for your buck (Euro) its clear that the predatory pricing of a SG4 is going to be hard to beat. And that's not including all of the "capable feature phone replacements" below 300,00 that many consumers find "good enough" considering that many users then purchase limited contracts with less than 1gb data to pair with them.

    IMHO due to the most common usage scenarios that I see consumers using their phones, SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook, pictures and tel., I don't see Apple making a major dent here with the 5c even if it was 100-150,00 cheaper.

    I would also (as always) advise Apple to not even try by devaluing the brand with a price cut. Instead continue to make the best business power phones, and possibly see what they can do pushing iPad as the "only" tablet to consider. Take the tablet market back to 90% and a no question it's the best and only smart decision purchase for anyone.
  • Reply 196 of 299
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    In an addition to my above post.

    If Apple "really" wants to do something to push all of their devises better here in Europe, they have to do a much better job developing their ecosystem advantage with far better services inclusion, such as iTunes Radio.

    With that said and aimed at Apple, one of the largest stumbling blocks that I still run across on any system, dektop or mobile... is that a number of very powerful apps or software titles don't have localisations for language or are simply not available (apps mostly). This many times is the hardest part I experience getting people to upgrade their systems and workflows.

    So while the 5c is in no way a flop by any stretch of the imagination, there are a host of things behind the scenes that is stalling it's adoption besides the premium price.
  • Reply 197 of 299
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Emes View Post



    Maybe it's just me, but I've only seen one or two more 5c' s than Windows Phones

    it is JUST you

  • Reply 198 of 299
    bondm16bondm16 Posts: 141member

    I see more windows phones than the iPhone 5C to be honest. I also see more android phones than iPhones where I live too. I do see iPhones but because I cant get a good look I cant quite tell if I am seeing a 5 or a 5S.

  • Reply 199 of 299
    That sounds like it didn’t happen. We tend not to be morons here. :lol:
    Sorry I am not with you? Check it out, it is exactly what happened. I don't post very often, and when I do I like to engage in reasoned discussion, so not sure where morons came into the discussion?
  • Reply 200 of 299
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

     



    Your attitude is incredibly shallow.


    your mind and comprehension are incredibly shallow.

    So, stfu

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