A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger, but only 26% were interested in one with a 5.5" display.
Sorry for the convoluted way I stated this, but that's the result of the flawed and leading way RBC presented the question to survey participants.
It's just so large...I really hope we get a 4" iPhone 6.
Why? iPhone 5s is more than capable to deliver any need. Unless people want a big screen, there's no need to upgrade from iPhone 5s if 4" screen is what they want.
I am a 34yr old guy who (like the guys i hang around with) do NOT want a bigger phone. One of my friends still has his 4s because he hates a big phone. Due to some of my job requirements that can be (slightly) physical at times, i keep a slim case on my phone at work. I have a lot of friends who are plumbers, contractors, electricians etc that have to use lifeproof or otterbox cases while they are working. Add the bulk of that to a larger phone and you now have a brick like the old days. If theres a "phablet" market for those with purses, murses & huge pockets then build/offer one for them. But dont kill a pocketable phone. The samsung flip i traded in for my 1st iphone took up less pocket space than my 5s does. Keep the PHONE in iPHONE.
RANT OVER.
To make story short: you don't want any thing big? Stay with iPhone 5s. It should serve your needs for at least 2-3 more years. Apple will eventually replace 4" model since 4.7" one is not that bigger than current iPhone 5/5s.
I for one, am only interested in the 4.7" as I dedicate a Pants front pocket to the phone. I have absolutely no interest in the 5.5" phone. If I want to use a larger screen I grab my iPad.
Have you seen how silly it looks to hold a Phablet to your ear???
No one forces you to use 5.5". If the rumor is true, Apple release 5.5" version not to make people to switch to it, but to give people more selections: big hands vs small hands, people text more than talk and LeBron James...BTW, stop whining, we all want more options.
A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger, but only 26% were interested in one with a 5.5" display.
Sorry for the convoluted way I stated this, but that's the result of the flawed and leading way RBC presented the question to survey participants.
"A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger"
That means people who want iPhone 6 5.5" is 40% and 60% want iPhone 6 4.7". Others stay with iPhone 4" are not applicable because they don't intend to go for iPhone 6.
Customers don't know what they want until they see it and experience it firsthand (slightly modified Steve Jobs axiom).
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin
I think... The line up will be (prices are with 2yr contract / and without)...
iPhone 6: 4.7" (A8, 32GB) $299 / $750
iPhone 6: 4" (A8, 32GB) $199 / $650
iPhone 6c: 4.7" (A7, 16GB) $199 / $650
iPhone 6c: 4" (A7, 16GB) $99 / $550
iPhone 5c: 4" (A6, 8GB) $0 / $350
Yes, I'm going to will the 5.5" iPhone out of existence, even though it doesn't really exist yet. ;-)
This should be disaster. Who the hell wants to pay a premium for 4" iPhone 6 while iPhone 5s is more than enough to do the daily tasks as good? If there is another survey on iPhone 6 screens, people who want 4" screen will probably be less than 20% of the population or less than 10% of all iPhone 4" and above combined.
Fantastic! I'm tired of the sharp-edged iPhone glass and the plastic strip around it. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Ive must have been looking for a solution to the sharp edge issue since the iPhone 4.</span>
And I'd be quite happy if the chamfering disappears too. It serves an important function on iPad, but no so much on iPhone. Try this experiment with any chamfered-edge iPad:
1. Hold your chamfered-edge iPad over something soft, because you're going to drop it.
2. Now hold it one-handed, as though you were using it normally with thumb on front bezel.
3. See how close to the edge you can move your thumb without dropping the iPad.
4. Turn the iPad over, so its backshell is facing up.
5. Again, hold it one-handed, thumb on top.
6. See how close to the edge you can move your thumb without dropping the iPad.
And now you see one of the benefits of the chamfered edge. It creates two sharp edges for increased friction with your thumb. You can hold the iPad one-handed with your thumb quite close to the edge when it's face-up. But when it's face-down and the rounded edge is on top, your one-handed grip is much less secure with your thumb near the edge.
Which of course means nothing for iPhone. The chamfered edge increases one-handed grip security on iPad, but does precious little for iPhone and iPod touch other than to maintain a family resemblance between iPhone and iPad lines. So yes, I think it's time for a rounded-edge glass front panel and iPad-like rounded-edge backshell for iPhone. But I'm not so sure iPad will get the rounded-edge glass panel. We'll see.
Two things: the plastic "gasket" between glass and metal should also be seen as a shock absorber, seems to me.
Second, I can see them burying the rounded edge of the glass under the edge of the metal case. In other words, no glass would protrude above the metal; it would be flush, as with the iPad.
Why are you acting like they don't upgrade to a "new more efficient" chip every single year? And no- they didn't just release the A7. It's not like the A7 has only been out 2 months- it's been out over 9 months- and will be a year old (like every other processor)- when it gets updated.
Of all the insane claims on this forum- you are the only one who doesn't think Apple will introduce the A8. Let that resonate.
You are really dense aren't you.
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
Apple just upgraded their product line in 2013. Any upgrades to their product line will be either incremental to their existing products, or the introduction of new products that compliment existing chip hardware - such as the 64 bit A7 chip and Touch ID (in the iPhone 5S) that is used to power a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone - and the 64 bit iPad Air/iPad mini Retina, that will be upgraded with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, Apple will remove the non-Touch ID 64 bit iPads from the Apple store.
Apple is not going to just introduce an A8 chip unless it is a major advancement designed to make their existing product more powerful, that will differentiate it enough to be a new product; or Apple is going to introduce a new product that will require an A8 chip that is different from its existing product line.
this is the lineup i'd like to see someday in the near future:
3.5" screen (like the iphone 4) -> iphone nano 4.0" screen (like the iphone 5) -> iphone air 4.7" screen (like the iphone thats coming, super thin) -> iphone 5.5" screen -> iphone pro
I think thats the best way to call them, and they keep the names unchanged in future models just like they do in the laptop line . Its confusing (and just plain ugly) to have the iphone models named 4S, 5S all while the samsung models are named S4, S5 ect.. yuk!
the iphone nano & air could have a little less features and previous generation CPU and be more price competitive. The iphone nano could come in different colors as well. Thats my glimpse of the future!
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
Apple just upgraded their product line in 2013. Any upgrades to their product line will be either incremental to their existing products, or the introduction of new products that compliment existing chip hardware - such as the 64 bit A7 chip and Touch ID (in the iPhone 5S) that is used to power a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone - and the 64 bit iPad Air/iPad mini Retina, that will be upgraded with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, Apple will remove the non-Touch ID 64 bit iPads from the Apple store.
Apple is not going to just introduce an A8 chip unless it is a major advancement designed to make their existing product more powerful, that will differentiate it enough to be a new product; or Apple is going to introduce a new product that will require an A8 chip that is different from its existing product line.
Wow.... just.... wow.
I'd love to hear what a "Product line" is and how it differs from their annual upgrade cycle. So you think they are going to upgrade the iPhone and iPads this year but they will be "incremental" with the A7? I'm dense?
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever. The closest they got was the iPad 3 which used a completely different GPU. I'm dense?
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That everysingletime the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
this is the lineup i'd like to see someday in the near future:
3.5" screen (like the iphone 4) -> iphone nano
4.0" screen (like the iphone 5) -> iphone air
4.7" screen (like the iphone thats coming, super thin) -> iphone
5.5" screen -> iphone pro
I think thats the best way to call them, and they keep the names unchanged in future models just like they do in the laptop line . Its confusing (and just plain ugly) to have the iphone models named 4S, 5S all while the samsung models are named S4, S5 ect.. yuk!
the iphone nano & air could have a little less features and previous generation CPU and be more price competitive. The iphone nano could come in different colors as well. Thats my glimpse of the future!
I was going to say this. Time to have real models rather than last years model( if slightly repackaged), the year before's model, and this years model.
Probably though they won't have the 3.5. Which is a pity.
The reason it makes more sense for 2015 versus now is because this year Apple is already giving consumers a larger, thinner, faster, more efficient phone for the same price as the outgoing model.
Consumers will see the value of getting more for their money already with the 6 over the 5S, hence why there is no need to also double the storage.
Next year there will be less features added between the 6 to the 6S so if Apple were to double the storage sizes for the iPhone, next year makes more sense.
Conversely I said this year makes more sense to double storage sizes on the iPads since they will likely retain the same form factor. That way Apple can release an A8 iPad Air with Touch ID and 32GB for $499. That will be a must have Christmas gift even for those that bought 16GB iPad Airs last year.
I can understand this line of reasoning. Though flagship Android devices have gotten bigger without getting more expensive. If Apple introduced a larger screen phone plus doubled the storage without raising prices Samsung and other Android OEMs would really shit their pants. That's what I want to see.
I read this a few days ago, but it doesn't really explain why it's $100 and not $50 or why the base is 16GB and not 32GB. The only explanation really is because Apple can, because people are willing to pay for it. I do think though if Apple went 32/64/128 at current prices or if they charged $50 for upgrades and not $100 they would seriously put some hurt on Android OEMs. Also Apple introduced a larger screen iPhone with a more complicated manufacturing process plus Touch ID a year later and didn't increase the price. So unless the BOM is significantly higher because of sapphire or liquid metal or whatever I see no reason why a 4.7" phone has to be more expensive or storage can't be cheaper (because the phone is getting bigger).
I'd love to hear what a "Product line" is and how it differs from their annual upgrade cycle. So you think they are going to upgrade the iPhone and iPads this year but they will be "incremental" with the A7? I'm dense?
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever. The closest they got was the iPad 3 which used a completely different GPU. I'm dense?
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That everysingletime the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That everysingletime the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense?
Actually, you ARE dense...
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
A product line consists of more than just an iPhone....
Look at the chart.
You will see that Apple uses the chips in different products.
Not just the iPhone!
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever.
All you (small handed) people who want to keep the iPhone at 4", good for you. The company will keep producing the 5, 5c, & 5s for the next 3-4 years I'd guess. But the time is needed to produce bigger iPhones for guys with hands larger than ham_bone and his friends? MY friends who have iPhones love the phones and the OS but hate the small screens. 3.5" and 4" screens are too small, my ten year old likes it though. I'm looking forward to 5.5" myself, I'll get that and a new Mac Air and ditch my iPad.
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A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger, but only 26% were interested in one with a 5.5" display.
Sorry for the convoluted way I stated this, but that's the result of the flawed and leading way RBC presented the question to survey participants.
http://qz.com/225557/most-people-want-a-bigger-iphone-some-are-even-willing-to-pay-extra-for-it/
Customers don't know what they want until they see it and experience it firsthand (slightly modified Steve Jobs axiom).
It's just so large...I really hope we get a 4" iPhone 6.
Why? iPhone 5s is more than capable to deliver any need. Unless people want a big screen, there's no need to upgrade from iPhone 5s if 4" screen is what they want.
I am a 34yr old guy who (like the guys i hang around with) do NOT want a bigger phone. One of my friends still has his 4s because he hates a big phone. Due to some of my job requirements that can be (slightly) physical at times, i keep a slim case on my phone at work. I have a lot of friends who are plumbers, contractors, electricians etc that have to use lifeproof or otterbox cases while they are working. Add the bulk of that to a larger phone and you now have a brick like the old days. If theres a "phablet" market for those with purses, murses & huge pockets then build/offer one for them. But dont kill a pocketable phone. The samsung flip i traded in for my 1st iphone took up less pocket space than my 5s does. Keep the PHONE in iPHONE.
RANT OVER.
To make story short: you don't want any thing big? Stay with iPhone 5s. It should serve your needs for at least 2-3 more years. Apple will eventually replace 4" model since 4.7" one is not that bigger than current iPhone 5/5s.
I for one, am only interested in the 4.7" as I dedicate a Pants front pocket to the phone. I have absolutely no interest in the 5.5" phone. If I want to use a larger screen I grab my iPad.
Have you seen how silly it looks to hold a Phablet to your ear???
No one forces you to use 5.5". If the rumor is true, Apple release 5.5" version not to make people to switch to it, but to give people more selections: big hands vs small hands, people text more than talk and LeBron James...BTW, stop whining, we all want more options.
A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger, but only 26% were interested in one with a 5.5" display.
Sorry for the convoluted way I stated this, but that's the result of the flawed and leading way RBC presented the question to survey participants.
http://qz.com/225557/most-people-want-a-bigger-iphone-some-are-even-willing-to-pay-extra-for-it/
Let me make your statement short:
"A recent RBC Capital Markets survey of 705 would-be iPhone buyers showed 64% wanting the next iPhone model even if it's bigger"
That means people who want iPhone 6 5.5" is 40% and 60% want iPhone 6 4.7". Others stay with iPhone 4" are not applicable because they don't intend to go for iPhone 6.
Customers don't know what they want until they see it and experience it firsthand (slightly modified Steve Jobs axiom).
I think... The line up will be (prices are with 2yr contract / and without)...
iPhone 6: 4.7" (A8, 32GB) $299 / $750
iPhone 6: 4" (A8, 32GB) $199 / $650
iPhone 6c: 4" (A7, 16GB) $99 / $550
iPhone 5c: 4" (A6, 8GB) $0 / $350
Yes, I'm going to will the 5.5" iPhone out of existence, even though it doesn't really exist yet. ;-)
This should be disaster. Who the hell wants to pay a premium for 4" iPhone 6 while iPhone 5s is more than enough to do the daily tasks as good? If there is another survey on iPhone 6 screens, people who want 4" screen will probably be less than 20% of the population or less than 10% of all iPhone 4" and above combined.
Two things: the plastic "gasket" between glass and metal should also be seen as a shock absorber, seems to me.
Second, I can see them burying the rounded edge of the glass under the edge of the metal case. In other words, no glass would protrude above the metal; it would be flush, as with the iPad.
I see the specs and prices as follows (All with contract pricing):
They may even drop the 5s completely to make a plastic 6c with the same specs.
Apple upgrade cycles:
3GS- June 19, 2009
A4- June 24, 2010
A5- Oct 14, 2011
A6- Sept 21, 2012
A7- Sept 20, 2013
Why are you acting like they don't upgrade to a "new more efficient" chip every single year? And no- they didn't just release the A7. It's not like the A7 has only been out 2 months- it's been out over 9 months- and will be a year old (like every other processor)- when it gets updated.
Of all the insane claims on this forum- you are the only one who doesn't think Apple will introduce the A8. Let that resonate.
You are really dense aren't you.
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_system_on_a_chip
List of Apple SoCs[edit]
Apple just upgraded their product line in 2013. Any upgrades to their product line will be either incremental to their existing products, or the introduction of new products that compliment existing chip hardware - such as the 64 bit A7 chip and Touch ID (in the iPhone 5S) that is used to power a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone - and the 64 bit iPad Air/iPad mini Retina, that will be upgraded with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, Apple will remove the non-Touch ID 64 bit iPads from the Apple store.
Apple is not going to just introduce an A8 chip unless it is a major advancement designed to make their existing product more powerful, that will differentiate it enough to be a new product; or Apple is going to introduce a new product that will require an A8 chip that is different from its existing product line.
3.5" screen (like the iphone 4) -> iphone nano
4.0" screen (like the iphone 5) -> iphone air
4.7" screen (like the iphone thats coming, super thin) -> iphone
5.5" screen -> iphone pro
I think thats the best way to call them, and they keep the names unchanged in future models just like they do in the laptop line . Its confusing (and just plain ugly) to have the iphone models named 4S, 5S all while the samsung models are named S4, S5 ect.. yuk!
the iphone nano & air could have a little less features and previous generation CPU and be more price competitive. The iphone nano could come in different colors as well. Thats my glimpse of the future!
You are really dense aren't you.
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
Apple just upgraded their product line in 2013. Any upgrades to their product line will be either incremental to their existing products, or the introduction of new products that compliment existing chip hardware - such as the 64 bit A7 chip and Touch ID (in the iPhone 5S) that is used to power a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone - and the 64 bit iPad Air/iPad mini Retina, that will be upgraded with Touch ID.
When Apple introduces the 64 bit iPads with Touch ID, Apple will remove the non-Touch ID 64 bit iPads from the Apple store.
Apple is not going to just introduce an A8 chip unless it is a major advancement designed to make their existing product more powerful, that will differentiate it enough to be a new product; or Apple is going to introduce a new product that will require an A8 chip that is different from its existing product line.
Wow.... just.... wow.
I'd love to hear what a "Product line" is and how it differs from their annual upgrade cycle. So you think they are going to upgrade the iPhone and iPads this year but they will be "incremental" with the A7? I'm dense?
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever. The closest they got was the iPad 3 which used a completely different GPU. I'm dense?
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That every single time the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense?
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They may even drop the 5s completely to make a plastic 6c with the same specs.
Quite possible. I wouldn't be surprised if only the current-year models get Touch ID. That means one or two "6" models in 2014.
But I doubt there will be a "6C" this year. The "C" means "older internals in a new plastic case." Indicating a "6C" next year.
I think Apple just might keep the 5C in the lineup, so we'd have 4.0-inch 5C, 4.7-inch "6", and 5.5-inch "Air."
Quite possible. I wouldn't be surprised if only the current-year models get Touch ID. That means one or two "6" models in 2014.
But I doubt there will be a "6C" this year. The "C" means "older internals in a new plastic case." And that means "6C" comes next year.
I think Apple just might keep the 5C in the lineup, so we'd have 4.0-inch 5C, 4.7-inch "6", and 5.5-inch "Air."
I agree completely.
I was going to say this. Time to have real models rather than last years model( if slightly repackaged), the year before's model, and this years model.
Probably though they won't have the 3.5. Which is a pity.
Chart full of specs.
Wow.... just.... wow.
I'd love to hear what a "Product line" is and how it differs from their annual upgrade cycle. So you think they are going to upgrade the iPhone and iPads this year but they will be "incremental" with the A7? I'm dense?
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever. The closest they got was the iPad 3 which used a completely different GPU. I'm dense?
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That every single time the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense?
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
You realize in your little chart you posted that it shows- in black and white- That every single time the iPhone has been updated, that it has gotten a new chip. But I'm dense?
Actually, you ARE dense...
I never said that they don't upgrade their chips, I said that they introduce a new chip when they upgrade their product line.
A product line consists of more than just an iPhone....
Look at the chart.
You will see that Apple uses the chips in different products.
Not just the iPhone!
They have never upgraded their existing product line that compliments existing chip hardware. Ever.
Hmm... Let's see...
So I guess the A5 chip for the years 2011, 2012, and 2013 doesn't apply...