<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/181235/foxconn-may-replace-iphone-6-assembly-line-workers-with-foxbot-robots/80#post_2560816" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">luinil</strong><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/181235/foxconn-may-replace-iphone-6-assembly-line-workers-with-foxbot-robots/80#post_2560816" style="background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block"><p><span style="line-height:1.4em">once again, this work only if humans are quicker to learn the new jobs, when robots will be quicker than humans to get the new skills, humans won't have many jobs anymore.</span></p></div></div><p> </p><p>Eventually all jobs that do not require creative, sapient thought will be done by machines. And humanity will be better for it.</p><p> </p><p>We’ll drive for pleasure, not work or necessity. We’ll build, cook, shop, etc. for the same reasons.</p>
Well the few lucky blighters to have money. The vast majority will be consigned to the metaphorical bin.
Humanity won't ever run out of jobs. It used to be that 80% of people worked in agriculture in order to feed everyone. Nowadays we are so efficient at agriculture we get the same amount of food (actually more, hence the obesity problem) with only 5% of the population. I'm sure at the time there were people saying society was doomed, as the farming jobs dried up.
So now we are getting better and better at making manufactured goods. Some day soon only 5% of people will be doing that. Are we doomed this time? I doubt it. Not as long as there are people with ideas.
As existing industries become more efficient and lay off workers, the supply of available labour increases, and so the price of labor falls. This makes it suddenly affordable to try out ideas that were too expensive to try when everyone was employed in existing industries, and had to be bid away from their existing employer. And all it takes it one or two of these ideas to work to create thousands of jobs. One example is the iPhone, it didn't exist 7 years ago, but Steve Jobs thought it up, and since then how many thousands of new jobs have been created out of it's ecosystem? Programmers, managers, artists, musicians, voice actors, advertisers, accountants to do their taxes, cleaners to clean their offices, caterers to feed them. And then there's Elon Musk with his electric car and rocketry companies.
The day humanity runs out of jobs is the day we run out of ideas. And if that has happened we have bigger problems than lack of employment, because it probably means that free speech and art have all been censored/banned in the preceding years, which is why people no longer have any imagination.
Humanity won't ever run out of jobs. It used to be that 80% of people worked in agriculture in order to feed everyone. Nowadays we are so efficient at agriculture we get the same amount of food (actually more, hence the obesity problem) with only 5% of the population. I'm sure at the time there were people saying society was doomed, as the farming jobs dried up.
So now we are getting better and better at making manufactured goods. Some day soon only 5% of people will be doing that. Are we doomed this time? I doubt it. Not as long as there are people with ideas.
As existing industries become more efficient and lay off workers, the supply of available labour increases, and so the price of labor falls. This makes it suddenly affordable to try out ideas that were too expensive to try when everyone was employed in existing industries, and had to be bid away from their existing employer. And all it takes it one or two of these ideas to work to create thousands of jobs. One example is the iPhone, it didn't exist 7 years ago, but Steve Jobs thought it up, and since then how many thousands of new jobs have been created out of it's ecosystem? Programmers, managers, artists, musicians, voice actors, advertisers, accountants to do their taxes, cleaners to clean their offices, caterers to feed them. And then there's Elon Musk with his electric car and rocketry companies.
The day humanity runs out of jobs is the day we run out of ideas. And if that has happened we have bigger problems than lack of employment, because it probably means that free speech and art have all been censored/banned in the preceding years, which is why people no longer have any imagination.
Again,
In your post, people get replaced by robots, then someone get a new idea and use those people to implement it. That works only if it is not cheaper to use robots to implement the new idea, and at some point it will be.
Robots will get cheaper than people, and robots will get quicker than people to learn new skills, people will not be able to compete.
This is a problem of how much time is needed to automatize a new job. Until now it has taken a long time to automatize a new job, so when we automatized agriculture, people could go in manufacturing until it get automatized, when we automatized manufacturing, people could go to other new jobs until those get automatized.
The thing is, automation of a new jobs is getting quicker and quicker, and we will soon reach a point where when you come up with a new job, it will be quicker and cheaper to automatize it than get it done by humans.
It is absolutely not a problem of creativity, it is a problem of the time an human needs to be able to do a new task, vs the time needed to automatized the new task. And we are "loosing" this competition.
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Uh… no.
Not in the slightest, no. That’s not how it works.
Humanity won't ever run out of jobs. It used to be that 80% of people worked in agriculture in order to feed everyone. Nowadays we are so efficient at agriculture we get the same amount of food (actually more, hence the obesity problem) with only 5% of the population. I'm sure at the time there were people saying society was doomed, as the farming jobs dried up.
So now we are getting better and better at making manufactured goods. Some day soon only 5% of people will be doing that. Are we doomed this time? I doubt it. Not as long as there are people with ideas.
As existing industries become more efficient and lay off workers, the supply of available labour increases, and so the price of labor falls. This makes it suddenly affordable to try out ideas that were too expensive to try when everyone was employed in existing industries, and had to be bid away from their existing employer. And all it takes it one or two of these ideas to work to create thousands of jobs. One example is the iPhone, it didn't exist 7 years ago, but Steve Jobs thought it up, and since then how many thousands of new jobs have been created out of it's ecosystem? Programmers, managers, artists, musicians, voice actors, advertisers, accountants to do their taxes, cleaners to clean their offices, caterers to feed them. And then there's Elon Musk with his electric car and rocketry companies.
The day humanity runs out of jobs is the day we run out of ideas. And if that has happened we have bigger problems than lack of employment, because it probably means that free speech and art have all been censored/banned in the preceding years, which is why people no longer have any imagination.
Humanity won't ever run out of jobs. It used to be that 80% of people worked in agriculture in order to feed everyone. Nowadays we are so efficient at agriculture we get the same amount of food (actually more, hence the obesity problem) with only 5% of the population. I'm sure at the time there were people saying society was doomed, as the farming jobs dried up.
So now we are getting better and better at making manufactured goods. Some day soon only 5% of people will be doing that. Are we doomed this time? I doubt it. Not as long as there are people with ideas.
As existing industries become more efficient and lay off workers, the supply of available labour increases, and so the price of labor falls. This makes it suddenly affordable to try out ideas that were too expensive to try when everyone was employed in existing industries, and had to be bid away from their existing employer. And all it takes it one or two of these ideas to work to create thousands of jobs. One example is the iPhone, it didn't exist 7 years ago, but Steve Jobs thought it up, and since then how many thousands of new jobs have been created out of it's ecosystem? Programmers, managers, artists, musicians, voice actors, advertisers, accountants to do their taxes, cleaners to clean their offices, caterers to feed them. And then there's Elon Musk with his electric car and rocketry companies.
The day humanity runs out of jobs is the day we run out of ideas. And if that has happened we have bigger problems than lack of employment, because it probably means that free speech and art have all been censored/banned in the preceding years, which is why people no longer have any imagination.
Again,
In your post, people get replaced by robots, then someone get a new idea and use those people to implement it. That works only if it is not cheaper to use robots to implement the new idea, and at some point it will be.
Robots will get cheaper than people, and robots will get quicker than people to learn new skills, people will not be able to compete.
This is a problem of how much time is needed to automatize a new job. Until now it has taken a long time to automatize a new job, so when we automatized agriculture, people could go in manufacturing until it get automatized, when we automatized manufacturing, people could go to other new jobs until those get automatized.
The thing is, automation of a new jobs is getting quicker and quicker, and we will soon reach a point where when you come up with a new job, it will be quicker and cheaper to automatize it than get it done by humans.
It is absolutely not a problem of creativity, it is a problem of the time an human needs to be able to do a new task, vs the time needed to automatized the new task. And we are "loosing" this competition.
Just tell me when this model comes out.
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