You all miss understood him, In google speak you do not have to worry about anyone but google seeing what you are doing. Their data is so heavily protect that they can not afford to have other people mining their data.
So yeah outside may not know my google knows and they missed that Apple say they do not even know what you are doing and Eric did not address that. He telling you not to look behind the current since you find google there looking at your stuff.
Desperately, desperately trying to refute the "You're not the customer. You're the product." meme, which could be devastating if it catches on. But by resorting to outright and preposterous lies, Herr Schmidt might have only worsened things. Nothing attracts more flies on the internet than preposterous statements delivered with a straight face.
Pass him the shovel and let him dig.
It is a catchy meme isn't it? Short, punchy and true. I can imagine all sorts of great TV ads that could push that home for Apple. I hope they have the balls to go on the attack.
If Google is "secure" why are Google's business apps and cloud NOT HIPPA Compliant for maintaining security and privacy of patient data???
That is because Google is not secure.
This isn't relevant to the conversation on Google vs. Apple security, since Apple doesn't even offer these types of enterprise apps.
I think Schmidt would do well to get off his book-promotion tour, as it's not helping his book or Google. That said, at face value, until two (?) weeks ago, more Android phones were encrypted than Apple phones. On Android it's optional (until L 5), while the decision is made for you by Apple. That's the basis for his "catching up" statement. Of course you already knew that.
Desperately, desperately trying to refute the "You're not the customer. You're the product." meme, which could be devastating if it catches on. But by resorting to outright and preposterous lies, Herr Schmidt might have only worsened things. Nothing attracts more flies on the internet than preposterous statements delivered with a straight face.
Originally Posted by digitalclips
Pass him the shovel and let him dig.
It is a catchy meme isn't it? Short, punchy and true. I can imagine all sorts of great TV ads that could push that home for Apple. I hope they have the balls to go on the attack.
Man, I wish they'd do an "I'm iPhone. And I'm Android." promo. They can have a spot where iPhone guy holds a product demo and shows a line up of iPhones and iPads, than Android guy rounds up his own product demo and shows a line up of various people/consumers. Another spot has them holding customer appreciation days iPhone guy is warmly welcoming iPhone owners to his event, meanwhile Android guy rudely turns away Android phone owners and fawningly let's in advertisers.
That said, at face value, until two (?) weeks ago, more Android phones were encrypted than Apple phones. On Android it's optional (until L 5), while the decision is made for you by Apple. That's the basis for his "catching up" statement. Of course you already knew that.
Just how would one count how many phones are encrypted or not? What would be the reason to count them? Maybe to see which phones you could extract information from. It seems to me that if you have no interest in the data, why would you even know who is encrypted or not.
Just how would one count how many phones are encrypted or not? What would be the reason to count them? Maybe to see which phones you could extract information from. It seems to me that if you have no interest in the data, why would you even know who is encrypted or not.
Man, I wish they'd do an "I'm iPhone. And I'm Android." promo.
It's not even an iPhone vis a vis Android thing. How many people are using Gmail and/or other Google services on their iOS device and still serving up their life's datastream to the 'plex in Mountain View? Apple's taking the right course, just subtly reinforcing the idea that Google makes, literally ALL, its money from pimping its users out to advertisers.
People need to keep pressing 'Doctor Strangelove', and other Google representatives, when they say things like that the data they gather is "used for nothing" with the logical follow-up of "then why gather it?"
Man, I wish they'd do an "I'm iPhone. And I'm Android." promo. They can have a spot where iPhone guy holds a product demo and shows a line up of iPhones and iPads, than Android guy rounds up his own product demo and shows a line up of various people/consumers. Another spot has them holding customer appreciation days iPhone guy is warmly welcoming iPhone owners to his event, meanwhile Android guy rudely turns away Android phone owners and fawningly let's in advertisers.
Yes, i was imagining exactly the first idea ... The Google line of products ... a line of ordinary and unaware looking people all with price tags on them... (It's not just Android remember ... it using anything from Google)
I altered my sig hopefully Google spiders pick it up
waterrockets said that there were more Android phones encrypted than iPhones until two weeks ago. To know that there are more Android phones encrypted than iPhones would you not have to count them?
There are plenty of honest arguments against Google's business model, so why do so many lie like this?
What's the lie? Google, literally, charges other people for access to you based on the proclivities you've exhibited to them. That's pretty much definitively classic pimp behavior.
There are plenty of honest arguments against Google's business model, so why do so many lie like this?
To be honest, I don't know if that statement was a lie or not ... can you list the non advertising related revenue streams Google has? There may well be some I don't know of. If you do have a list the percentage of Googles revenue they comprise would be useful too. I am genuinely curious I'm not attacking your point. I am guessing Android licensing might be one beyond that I am stuck and I don't even know if the licensing runs a net profit or not.
waterrockets said that there were more Android phones encrypted than iPhones until two weeks ago. To know that there are more Android phones encrypted than iPhones would you not have to count them?
I don't think Apple offered on-device encryption on iPhones until iOS8 did they? Google Android had the feature for several years. Maybe I'm wrong, but if not that's why there's no need to count.
While they may not "harvest your data", I think there is a big difference between privacy and using the consumer as the product. Let's face it, Google makes money by selling ads. That's about it. The only reason they make money with that is the ability to monetize what they know about you. What Tim Cook highlighted is that is where the money is coming from so follow the money.
Apple's money comes from their products.
If that was their only way of making money off of your/my data, they'd be bankrupt. They are engaged in clandestine, illegal activity, selling our data to the highest bidder on a regular basis. Including the federal government. That's what actually keeps them afloat, and doesn't show up on the books.
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So yeah outside may not know my google knows and they missed that Apple say they do not even know what you are doing and Eric did not address that. He telling you not to look behind the current since you find google there looking at your stuff.
Pass him the shovel and let him dig.
It is a catchy meme isn't it? Short, punchy and true. I can imagine all sorts of great TV ads that could push that home for Apple. I hope they have the balls to go on the attack.
If Google is "secure" why are Google's business apps and cloud NOT HIPPA Compliant for maintaining security and privacy of patient data???
That is because Google is not secure.
This isn't relevant to the conversation on Google vs. Apple security, since Apple doesn't even offer these types of enterprise apps.
I think Schmidt would do well to get off his book-promotion tour, as it's not helping his book or Google. That said, at face value, until two (?) weeks ago, more Android phones were encrypted than Apple phones. On Android it's optional (until L 5), while the decision is made for you by Apple. That's the basis for his "catching up" statement. Of course you already knew that.
Desperately, desperately trying to refute the "You're not the customer. You're the product." meme, which could be devastating if it catches on. But by resorting to outright and preposterous lies, Herr Schmidt might have only worsened things. Nothing attracts more flies on the internet than preposterous statements delivered with a straight face.
Pass him the shovel and let him dig.
It is a catchy meme isn't it? Short, punchy and true. I can imagine all sorts of great TV ads that could push that home for Apple. I hope they have the balls to go on the attack.
Man, I wish they'd do an "I'm iPhone. And I'm Android." promo. They can have a spot where iPhone guy holds a product demo and shows a line up of iPhones and iPads, than Android guy rounds up his own product demo and shows a line up of various people/consumers. Another spot has them holding customer appreciation days iPhone guy is warmly welcoming iPhone owners to his event, meanwhile Android guy rudely turns away Android phone owners and fawningly let's in advertisers.
That said, at face value, until two (?) weeks ago, more Android phones were encrypted than Apple phones. On Android it's optional (until L 5), while the decision is made for you by Apple. That's the basis for his "catching up" statement. Of course you already knew that.
Just how would one count how many phones are encrypted or not? What would be the reason to count them? Maybe to see which phones you could extract information from. It seems to me that if you have no interest in the data, why would you even know who is encrypted or not.
Here is a better one...
"Liar"
You take great pride in never having lived up to anything
Lie, steal, cheat, and kill, a real bad guy
Your daddy is a wine, and your mommy's quite insane
From altar boy to sewer rat, you don't give a damn
Your sister is a junkie, get "it" anyway she can
Your brother's a gay singer in a stud leather band
Your girlfriend's got herpes to go with your help and AIDS
There ain't one person you know you ain't ripped off yet
Look deep in the mirror, look deep into its eyes
Your face is replaced, a creature you despise
But I know what you're made of, it ain't much I'm afraid
I know you'll be lying until your dying day
Make up your stories, but truth's so hard to say
Brain is numb and your tongue will surely dig you grave
Your mind is sickly from Alzheimer's disease
And decadence and debauchery killed your memories
You're a liar, liar, liar, everyone can see
You're a liar, liar, liar, it's all you'll ever be
You're a liar, liar, liar, it's what you mean to me
Liar, liar, lies...
Start trouble, spread pain
Piss and venom in your veins
Talk nasty, breathe fire
Smell rotten, you're a liar
Sweat liquor, breathe snot
Eat garbage, spit blood
Diseased, health hazard
Scum bag, fucking bastard
Grease face, teeth decay
Hair matted, drunk all day
Abscessed, sunken veins
Rot gut, scrambled brain
Steal money, crash cars
Rob jewelry, hock guitars
Rot in hell, it's time you know
To your master, off you go
You're a liar
A fucking liar
Filthy liar
You, you, you, you fucking liar!
You're a liar
Just how would one count how many phones are encrypted or not? What would be the reason to count them? Maybe to see which phones you could extract information from. It seems to me that if you have no interest in the data, why would you even know who is encrypted or not.
Where did you see that they were counted?
I put this guy up there with Balmer...a walking buffoon!
Ballmer is smarter. He got out of the business.
It's not even an iPhone vis a vis Android thing. How many people are using Gmail and/or other Google services on their iOS device and still serving up their life's datastream to the 'plex in Mountain View? Apple's taking the right course, just subtly reinforcing the idea that Google makes, literally ALL, its money from pimping its users out to advertisers.
People need to keep pressing 'Doctor Strangelove', and other Google representatives, when they say things like that the data they gather is "used for nothing" with the logical follow-up of "then why gather it?"
Google makes, literally ALL, its money from pimping its users out to advertisers.
There are plenty of honest arguments against Google's business model, so why do so many lie like this?
Yes, i was imagining exactly the first idea ... The Google line of products ... a line of ordinary and unaware looking people all with price tags on them... (It's not just Android remember ... it using anything from Google)
I altered my sig hopefully Google spiders pick it up
Where did you see that they were counted?
waterrockets said that there were more Android phones encrypted than iPhones until two weeks ago. To know that there are more Android phones encrypted than iPhones would you not have to count them?
What's the lie? Google, literally, charges other people for access to you based on the proclivities you've exhibited to them. That's pretty much definitively classic pimp behavior.
To be honest, I don't know if that statement was a lie or not ... can you list the non advertising related revenue streams Google has? There may well be some I don't know of. If you do have a list the percentage of Googles revenue they comprise would be useful too. I am genuinely curious I'm not attacking your point. I am guessing Android licensing might be one beyond that I am stuck and I don't even know if the licensing runs a net profit or not.
So you refute being DED drumming up traffic then?
We all channel a little DED sometimes.
While they may not "harvest your data", I think there is a big difference between privacy and using the consumer as the product. Let's face it, Google makes money by selling ads. That's about it. The only reason they make money with that is the ability to monetize what they know about you. What Tim Cook highlighted is that is where the money is coming from so follow the money.
Apple's money comes from their products.
If that was their only way of making money off of your/my data, they'd be bankrupt. They are engaged in clandestine, illegal activity, selling our data to the highest bidder on a regular basis. Including the federal government. That's what actually keeps them afloat, and doesn't show up on the books.