Tim's not being paid nearly $75 million per year to be a human being. His job is to be the relentless promoter of Apple, full stop.
There's an old technique used in interviews when the interviewee is asked something other than what they are promoting and they still manage to redirect the line of questioning to what they are selling/promoting.
Tim Cook is not important. Apple is important. He needs to keep the focus on Apple, always.
Exactly. Probably what bothers me most about this is it takes the focus off Apple and puts it on him. I've been watching CNBC this morning and that's pretty much all they're talking about. To be honest I wouldn't mind if we didn't see or hear from Cook for a while.
The problem is that there's nothing else to talk about that's particularly interesting.
The Apple Watch has been acknowledged by Cook to be a niche accessory, and Apple will be reporting it as an accessory and not providing sales figures, much like every other technology company (Blackberry being an exception).
What else is there to get excited over? There have been incremental improvements to existing products. Apple Pay is nice, but boring. No Apple tv . No music overhaul. IBM partnership. Worthy, but boring.
Tim Cook is a great CEO despite his sexual orientation. But, Apple is a "public" company and should not be used as a platform for his personal choices. I am surprised that Apple's board of director's would agree to allow him to use Apple's high profile status to spread his personal agenda. Current and future stock holder's might not agree with his personal choices. This subject matter could lead to the detriment of Apple's leading position in the tech world. Forget about Samsung, Google and Microsoft. Mr. Cook's "gay agenda" could negatively affect the stock price and the public's perception of Apple as a whole. Right or wrong, Mr. Cook's "personal life" should be kept personal.
Yep. To be honest though Apple's board has been subservient to the CEO since Jobs reorganized it in the '90s.
Wait until people won't hire you because you're straight; or people beat the shit out of you for being straight; or that you can't hold hands with the one you love for fear of some form of brutality...
... then you'll understand the courage it takes to tell people who you are and that you are proud to be that person... for the sake of all people that are just like you.
Surely his objective is that all people, no matter what their race colour or creed are just accepted as people. But all this shouting from the tree tops simply enforces the notion that Tim "is" different.
Despite being from a deeply religious household I was always taught tolerance of others and their views. I may not agree with someone's life choices, but if it doesn't affect me I'm more than happy for them to carry on.
I fully agree and am a bit confused by this as well. He talks too much political issues, but rarely (except keynotes, of course) technical issues. Although I agree with Tim's political views – that's not why I want to listen to him.
Steves baby was apple. No doubt about that. While Tim is obviously very very pro apple, he also has a wider view and probably wants to use his position at Apple to do more than just sell Apple stuff. While the bottom line is always porting in a company if you have the chance to do more I think you should. For Steve it seemed to be making things work the way they should, and he did a fantastic job and left us with the best legacy. However got Tim it may be a little different. He seems just as set in trying to make the world a more fair and equal place for everyone, whether you are a manufacturing plant worker, customer and now just someone who might stuggle being gay if they are in a 'community' or 'environment' that does not accept that. Maybe Apple could expand their tag line from think different to something that encompasses this new direction. It is NOT a distraction just someone trying to make things a little better. Sorry rant over! ????
I don't get this whole gay pride thing, seriously I don't.
I'm not "proud" to be a straight, male human being, it's just what I am.
Odds are you've never been physically threatened for being straight, told you were going to burn in hell for being straight, had to fear you might lose your job (or never land one) if anyone found out you were straight, had your parents kick you out of the house and disown you because they found out you were a straight teen... The list goes on.
The problem is that there's nothing else to talk about that's particularly interesting.
The Apple Watch has been acknowledged by Cook to be a niche accessory, and Apple will be reporting it as an accessory and not providing sales figures, much like every other technology company (Blackberry being an exception).
What else is there to get excited over? There have been incremental improvements to existing products. Apple Pay is nice, but boring. No Apple tv . No music overhaul. IBM partnership. Worthy, but boring.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Ok I'll bit....?Watch is being reported in the "other products" category so Apple can keep as much about it private as possible. They get to choose what to disclose and not disclose. They don't want anyone more easily figuring out ASPs or product mix. Cook even said it may not stay in "other" forever.
Odds are you've never been physically threatened for being straight, told you were going to burn in hell for being straight, had to fear you might lose your job (or never land one) if anyone found out you were straight, . The list goes on.
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Steves baby was apple. No doubt about that. While Tim is obviously very very pro apple, he also has a wider view and probably wants to use his position at Apple to do more than just sell Apple stuff. While the bottom line is always porting in a company if you have the chance to do more I think you should. For Steve it seemed to be making things work the way they should, and he did a fantastic job and left us with the best legacy. However got Tim it may be a little different. He seems just as set in trying to make the world a more fair and equal place for everyone, whether you are a manufacturing plant worker, customer and now just someone who might stuggle being gay if they are in a 'community' or 'environment' that does not accept that. Maybe Apple could expand their tag line from think different to something that encompasses this new direction. It is NOT a distraction just someone trying to make things a little better. Sorry rant over! ????
apologies for typo/autocorrect but I hope you get the point.
I never equated being gay with pedophilia nor express hate for anyone or any group! I simply highlighted that nowadays each individual has his/her own sense of right and wrong and good and bad.
Much like Eric's characterization of me or many of your IMPLIED characterization of pedophiles!
Just saying....
You didn't hit a nerve, you were insulting. People are not proud of everything that makes them who they are. We all have behaviors and habits that we aren't proud of, and certainly nobody demented enough to be a pedo is going to be proud of that fact. To suggest that homosexuality is in the same category is insulting. If you can't see that, then you have a very small mind.
The point is that we're past the point of needing to be ashamed of sexual orientation.
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C'mon Adonis, be a bit more creative! :-)
My main point is: I may be over in Denmark happily $cr3wing my sheep or whatever. The minute I feel the need to broadcast to the world that this is "thing" and it's really cool then I should extend the same courtesy to the other guy who wants to broadcast to the same world that his really cool thing is $cr3wing dead bodies....or the next guy who wishes to express HIS thoughts that $cr3wing sheep is really uncool!
Yeah, this is clearly all about what's cool. Tim's totally just trying to fit in. /s
Stock's down this morning, likely because there are more than a few people nervous about the increasing change in direction Cook has been making, and given that he is evidently spending a fair amount of time on this (I doubt his letter was something he hammered out on his iPad at 2AM), it's not wrong to be concerned about the direction of Apple. I'm actually considering if now is the time to sell, I'll show a profit on the stock if I get out now.
What an idiotic post.
GOOG: –0.64%
FB: –3.14%
TWTR: –3.45%
MSFT: –1.21%
I could go on.
I guess the market must thick this morning that a lot of CEOs are gay. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Odds are you've never been physically threatened for being straight, told you were going to burn in hell for being straight, had to fear you might lose your job (or never land one) if anyone found out you were straight, had your parents kick you out of the house and disown you because they found out you were a straight teen... The list goes on.
So no, you don't need 'straight pride'.
Again, what has any of that to do with Apple? Apple is not a platform for gay, straight, black, white, women's, men's, or anyone else's special interests. Their niche market need not be narrower. As a shareholder, I want them to be the company for anyone and everyone who wants quality and is willing to pay for it. There is no need to go off message.
And thanks to Steve Jobs for placing Tim in the position to realize his full potential as CEO of Apple -- the greatest corporate organization in the world!
Tim's placement was earned. It's probably more a statement of Tim's resilience and capability, since Tim was not a old school 'Steve Guy' (he was not a NeXTer), but was one of the earliest exec hires (Jony Ive is the only outsider I remember [jon rubinstein was ex-NeXT] after the NeXT merger and Tim's hire). He was Steve's operational Yin to the 'creative' 'Yang' Steve had assembled around him.
This just proves that sexual orientation doesn't matter. Being gay didn't stop him from becoming CEO of Apple. Because sexuality has no bearing on whether someone will be a good CEO or not.
Right... Just like racism is also over just because we elected a black president.
It proves nothing of the kind, just that you have to be twice as good to over come it in this society.
Tim's placement was earned. It's probably more a statement of Tim's resilience and capability, since Tim was not a old school 'Steve Guy' (he was not a NeXTer), but was one of the earliest exec hires (Jony Ive is the only outsider I remember [jon rubinstein was ex-NeXT] after the NeXT merger and Tim's hire). He was Steve's operational Yin to the 'creative' 'Yang' Steve had assembled around him.
Eddy Cue and Phil Schiller aren't NeXT alum either. I think Cue came to Apple a few years before Jony Ive did.
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There was no speculation or media-fed "controversy" until Tim volunteered to the Bloomberg interview.
You've been here long enough to know better than that.
The problem is that there's nothing else to talk about that's particularly interesting.
The Apple Watch has been acknowledged by Cook to be a niche accessory, and Apple will be reporting it as an accessory and not providing sales figures, much like every other technology company (Blackberry being an exception).
What else is there to get excited over? There have been incremental improvements to existing products. Apple Pay is nice, but boring. No Apple tv . No music overhaul. IBM partnership. Worthy, but boring.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Tim Cook is a great CEO despite his sexual orientation. But, Apple is a "public" company and should not be used as a platform for his personal choices. I am surprised that Apple's board of director's would agree to allow him to use Apple's high profile status to spread his personal agenda. Current and future stock holder's might not agree with his personal choices. This subject matter could lead to the detriment of Apple's leading position in the tech world. Forget about Samsung, Google and Microsoft. Mr. Cook's "gay agenda" could negatively affect the stock price and the public's perception of Apple as a whole. Right or wrong, Mr. Cook's "personal life" should be kept personal.
Yep. To be honest though Apple's board has been subservient to the CEO since Jobs reorganized it in the '90s.
Came here, saw this, and wondered:
How come this fucking piece of shit is still online? This deserves a permanent ban, IMO.
Yeah, everyone should flag that one.
Very well put.
I do know better. It hasn't been an issue.
I don't get this whole gay pride thing, seriously I don't.
I'm not "proud" to be a straight, male human being, it's just what I am.
Odds are you've never been physically threatened for being straight, told you were going to burn in hell for being straight, had to fear you might lose your job (or never land one) if anyone found out you were straight, had your parents kick you out of the house and disown you because they found out you were a straight teen... The list goes on.
So no, you don't need 'straight pride'.
Ok I'll bit....?Watch is being reported in the "other products" category so Apple can keep as much about it private as possible. They get to choose what to disclose and not disclose. They don't want anyone more easily figuring out ASPs or product mix. Cook even said it may not stay in "other" forever.
Odds are you've never been physically threatened for being straight, told you were going to burn in hell for being straight, had to fear you might lose your job (or never land one) if anyone found out you were straight, . The list goes on.
Two words. Brendan Eich.
Hit a sensitive nerve did I?
I never equated being gay with pedophilia nor express hate for anyone or any group! I simply highlighted that nowadays each individual has his/her own sense of right and wrong and good and bad.
Much like Eric's characterization of me or many of your IMPLIED characterization of pedophiles!
Just saying....
You didn't hit a nerve, you were insulting. People are not proud of everything that makes them who they are. We all have behaviors and habits that we aren't proud of, and certainly nobody demented enough to be a pedo is going to be proud of that fact. To suggest that homosexuality is in the same category is insulting. If you can't see that, then you have a very small mind.
The point is that we're past the point of needing to be ashamed of sexual orientation.
C'mon Adonis, be a bit more creative! :-)
My main point is: I may be over in Denmark happily $cr3wing my sheep or whatever. The minute I feel the need to broadcast to the world that this is "thing" and it's really cool then I should extend the same courtesy to the other guy who wants to broadcast to the same world that his really cool thing is $cr3wing dead bodies....or the next guy who wishes to express HIS thoughts that $cr3wing sheep is really uncool!
Yeah, this is clearly all about what's cool. Tim's totally just trying to fit in. /s
I do know better. It hasn't been an issue.
It's been brought up several times. Hell, it was on international news because someone outed Tim.
... and it's not an issue now.
Stock's down this morning, likely because there are more than a few people nervous about the increasing change in direction Cook has been making, and given that he is evidently spending a fair amount of time on this (I doubt his letter was something he hammered out on his iPad at 2AM), it's not wrong to be concerned about the direction of Apple. I'm actually considering if now is the time to sell, I'll show a profit on the stock if I get out now.
What an idiotic post.
GOOG: –0.64%
FB: –3.14%
TWTR: –3.45%
MSFT: –1.21%
I could go on.
I guess the market must thick this morning that a lot of CEOs are gay.
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is that the reason AAPL is down today?
See above.
Ditto.
Again, what has any of that to do with Apple? Apple is not a platform for gay, straight, black, white, women's, men's, or anyone else's special interests. Their niche market need not be narrower. As a shareholder, I want them to be the company for anyone and everyone who wants quality and is willing to pay for it. There is no need to go off message.
Hear! Hear!
And thanks to Steve Jobs for placing Tim in the position to realize his full potential as CEO of Apple -- the greatest corporate organization in the world!
Tim's placement was earned. It's probably more a statement of Tim's resilience and capability, since Tim was not a old school 'Steve Guy' (he was not a NeXTer), but was one of the earliest exec hires (Jony Ive is the only outsider I remember [jon rubinstein was ex-NeXT] after the NeXT merger and Tim's hire). He was Steve's operational Yin to the 'creative' 'Yang' Steve had assembled around him.
What an idiotic post.
GOOG: –0.64%
FB: –3.14%
TWTR: –3.45%
MSFT: –1.21%
I could go on.
I guess the market must thick this morning that a lot of CEOs are gay.
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Except Apple had been defying the market trend up until now. What changed between yesterday and today except for Tim's announcement? Nothing.
Right... Just like racism is also over just because we elected a black president.
It proves nothing of the kind, just that you have to be twice as good to over come it in this society.