Are you going to ban yourself when you're wrong? You realize people predicted the Ouya would be the death of game consoles, right?
And have you seen how much Apple charges for an iPad case? Have you seen what iOS controllers go for? Glass houses and all that.
Apple may indeed charge way too much for a case. But you can buy them much cheaper than that from thousands of other companies that make them. And games are made by thousands of companies, at varying prices. Thats the point he was making. That with a Sony game console, you don't have that option. Its theirs or nothing.
What are you going on about? There's Playstation controllers made by 3rd party companies.
You are terrible at shopping. You don't need to buy an additional controller and games can be bought either in a bundle or off the online store for much less than $50.
There are bundles for less than $400 that include a game, and a far more capable gaming machine than an AppleTV, current or imminent.
That does not look like a deal with Sony Studios? Or does it mean Sony Studios bought by Apple?
I always thought they'd work well together even if it didn't mean a buyout. A partnership similar to IBM. It's a bit unusual for Sony to do this kind of thing but it is just their XPeria twitter account so it could just be meaningless messing around.
Apple seems to be hinting at something major though. They said there's a big announcement. Game publishers have been putting their names on banners on Apple's twitter account. Square Enix tweeted 'let's do this'.
Sony makes profit outside of areas where they compete with Apple and they're always relying on 3rd party software. Apple could integrate ?TV/iOS into Sony TVs and gain about 6-7% of the TV market. Then it wouldn't matter about the box. This can link with the PS4 and sync data to iOS devices. Apple gets the iPhone camera sensors from Sony. They can have Sony's movie and music businesses integrated into Apple Music and the smart TV.
They are making the announcement sound like it's more than just a more capable ?TV box.
The gaming pad will be cheaper than the PS controller.
To play a SINGLE playstation game I need to buy:
$400 PS4
$60 additional controller
$50 game
With tax that is $550 just for ONE GAME.
That you can't see how that is a turn off for many casual gamers is shocking
Not all games are priced at $60. PSN and Xbox online stores offer many games for less than $20. They also give subscribers free games every month. The reason PS4 & Xbox One console cost that much is market size. In their first year both consoles sold less than 20 million units. Now compare that to the iPads more than 60 million units a year with minimum price of $500 and you get the picture.
Are you going to ban yourself when you're wrong? You realize people predicted the Ouya would be the death of game consoles, right?
And have you seen how much Apple charges for an iPad case? Have you seen what iOS controllers go for? Glass houses and all that.
First, Ouya was a start up that has no experience and even less capital. Apple has what, $200 billion and an already successful gaming platform on mobile that is eating Nintendo's lunch. You let the A8X or A9 rip (less terminal requirements, unlimited electrical supply) and I think you'll see something very capability with millions of developers ready to build successful apps for the living room.
Apple charges the same amount for a case as everyone else and they are quality. If you want to get a cheap knockoff case, be my guest, but I haven't had any issues with the ones I've purchased from Apple. Plus... you're not limited to only buying their case. With gaming consoles, you need to buy their games and they cost money... or you need to buy their controllers. They lock you in.
The controller for iOS are all third party so that's a moot point. You can't blame Apple. Oh and things cost money to build, manufacture and support. Go figure.
Nintendo is almost bankrupt and has no future, all because of iPhone and mobile gaming.
If Apple takes TV-gaming seriously, which it looks like they will, console gaming is going to take a hit. Whether its 10%, 30%, 50% of the market...who knows. But its going to take a hit.
Just dont see soccer mom's buying PC's for their kids to play games.
For the mainstream PC = no fun.
Tablet/Phone/TV = fun
That's not accurate in my experience. I am older so I had a PC because it was the only game in town. Ten years ago all the younger 20-somethings at my office had consoles and only the 30-somethings had PCs. Fast forward to today and all the (new) 20-somethings have PCs. What has changed, were the grey beards right all along? No, it is the rise of MMOs, and the extra power of a PC making a difference there. Also Steam prices are often better than the consoles. Competition there has had a similar effect as on the iOS App Store.
As for mum not buying her kids a gaming rig, maybe not, but in my experience the kids see dad on the PC, and the amazing games, and want one of their own.
Could it actually be a collaboration with Apple and not a shot at them? Sony has expressed interest in bringing its Playstation Now streaming service to other companies platforms (i.e. Samsung Smart TVs already). Maybe they will be announcing a Plsystation Now App available for download in the new Apple TV App Store?
Agreed.
But don't you think there will be third party will be permitted to make peripherals? i.e. Made for AppleTV
I think probably, and those might come in at under $50 depending on what the spec is - i.e. If the spec call for a touch screen and microphone and other gubbins as the remote rumours are tending towards then that price point might be out of reach even for the cheap and nasty third parties.
Though this is a ripoff of Apple, I can't get all that angry about Sony - it's the goobers (I'm being extremely polite) at Sungscam whom I despise.
Over the past couple of years, I've talked two families in my extended family out of buying Sungscam washer / dryer sets. It feels great to deprive them of revenue.
Games on the Apple TV will be nice to have but will not drive sales of the hardware. Nor will home automation or any other smarts. Nice to have, but they won't move units.
What will drive sales of the hardware is an easy to use media content delivery platform across multiple content providers.
You may think that consoles won't be effected, but parents control much of the purchases of children/teens, and with the release of the AppleTV with gaming, it may be "good enough" to replace or delay a console buy, especially with the note that many of the mobile games the children/teens already have will play fine on the AppleTV.
Congrats for thinking game consoles are for children or teens. News flash: they're not.
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Nintendo is almost bankrupt and has no future, all because of iPhone and mobile gaming.
If Apple takes TV-gaming seriously, which it looks like they will, console gaming is going to take a hit. Whether its 10%, 30%, 50% of the market...who knows. But its going to take a hit.
Nintendo has so much money in the bank it's insane. Nice try though.
I'd think Sony would see an Apple TV going into gaming as a possible positive for Playstation.
I doubt many casual gamers buy the PS4 even now. An Apple TV for $149 that gets people play casual games could well be a "gateway drug" for people buying a serious gaming platform like PS4.
Could it actually be a collaboration with Apple and not a shot at them? Sony has expressed interest in bringing its Playstation Now streaming service to other companies platforms (i.e. Samsung Smart TVs already). Maybe they will be announcing a Plsystation Now App available for download in the new Apple TV App Store?
That would make some sense. It does not sound as competitive as it does, "Lets do this."
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What are you going on about? There's Playstation controllers made by 3rd party companies.
There are bundles for less than $400 that include a game, and a far more capable gaming machine than an AppleTV, current or imminent.
I always thought they'd work well together even if it didn't mean a buyout. A partnership similar to IBM. It's a bit unusual for Sony to do this kind of thing but it is just their XPeria twitter account so it could just be meaningless messing around.
Apple seems to be hinting at something major though. They said there's a big announcement. Game publishers have been putting their names on banners on Apple's twitter account. Square Enix tweeted 'let's do this'.
Sony makes profit outside of areas where they compete with Apple and they're always relying on 3rd party software. Apple could integrate ?TV/iOS into Sony TVs and gain about 6-7% of the TV market. Then it wouldn't matter about the box. This can link with the PS4 and sync data to iOS devices. Apple gets the iPhone camera sensors from Sony. They can have Sony's movie and music businesses integrated into Apple Music and the smart TV.
They are making the announcement sound like it's more than just a more capable ?TV box.
The gaming pad will be cheaper than the PS controller.
To play a SINGLE playstation game I need to buy:
$400 PS4
$60 additional controller
$50 game
With tax that is $550 just for ONE GAME.
That you can't see how that is a turn off for many casual gamers is shocking
Not all games are priced at $60. PSN and Xbox online stores offer many games for less than $20. They also give subscribers free games every month. The reason PS4 & Xbox One console cost that much is market size. In their first year both consoles sold less than 20 million units. Now compare that to the iPads more than 60 million units a year with minimum price of $500 and you get the picture.
Personally I think Sony should be scared.
Hard core gamers will stick with their PS4's and XBOX One's.
But there's a segment of casual gamers who may have been looking for a game console but realize it's overkill.
Not to mention, the high cost of games. An AppleTV at $149 with $5-10 games will be a compelling alternative.
If the AppleTV brings casual gaming like iOS did for the mobile phone, this will certainly be a game changer (no pun intended).
Are you going to ban yourself when you're wrong? You realize people predicted the Ouya would be the death of game consoles, right?
And have you seen how much Apple charges for an iPad case? Have you seen what iOS controllers go for? Glass houses and all that.
First, Ouya was a start up that has no experience and even less capital. Apple has what, $200 billion and an already successful gaming platform on mobile that is eating Nintendo's lunch. You let the A8X or A9 rip (less terminal requirements, unlimited electrical supply) and I think you'll see something very capability with millions of developers ready to build successful apps for the living room.
Apple charges the same amount for a case as everyone else and they are quality. If you want to get a cheap knockoff case, be my guest, but I haven't had any issues with the ones I've purchased from Apple. Plus... you're not limited to only buying their case. With gaming consoles, you need to buy their games and they cost money... or you need to buy their controllers. They lock you in.
The controller for iOS are all third party so that's a moot point. You can't blame Apple. Oh and things cost money to build, manufacture and support. Go figure.
Also, no chance in hell any Apple gaming controller of significance will be "much less" than $50.
Agreed.
But don't you think there will be third party will be permitted to make peripherals? i.e. Made for AppleTV
Casual gamers don't buy consoles. They won't buy AppleTVs for the games either.
Everything streams Netflix. The Amazon Kindle Fire TV did casual games and Netflix, and Was cheaper than the Apple TV.
You need a better value proposition. Games are at best nice-to-haves, and Netflix is expected.
Nintendo is almost bankrupt and has no future, all because of iPhone and mobile gaming.
If Apple takes TV-gaming seriously, which it looks like they will, console gaming is going to take a hit. Whether its 10%, 30%, 50% of the market...who knows. But its going to take a hit.
I can't imagine PC gaming going mainstream.
Just dont see soccer mom's buying PC's for their kids to play games.
For the mainstream PC = no fun.
Tablet/Phone/TV = fun
That's not accurate in my experience. I am older so I had a PC because it was the only game in town. Ten years ago all the younger 20-somethings at my office had consoles and only the 30-somethings had PCs. Fast forward to today and all the (new) 20-somethings have PCs. What has changed, were the grey beards right all along? No, it is the rise of MMOs, and the extra power of a PC making a difference there. Also Steam prices are often better than the consoles. Competition there has had a similar effect as on the iOS App Store.
As for mum not buying her kids a gaming rig, maybe not, but in my experience the kids see dad on the PC, and the amazing games, and want one of their own.
Games are at best nice-to-haves, and Netflix is expected.
I don't think you quite understand 2015.
Sure sign a company is scared of Apple: They make spoofs.
IMO this is the biggest evidence that the AppleTV will disrupt gaming. Did Sony do this when the Shield gaming platform come out? hell no.
Sony spends a ton of $$$ on research and probabily knew an AppleTV with gaming feature would be a huge threat.
Apple must have been really scared with all those Mac vs. PC ads...which clearly reduced Microsoft's market share to zero.
Though this is a ripoff of Apple, I can't get all that angry about Sony - it's the goobers (I'm being extremely polite) at Sungscam whom I despise.
Over the past couple of years, I've talked two families in my extended family out of buying Sungscam washer / dryer sets. It feels great to deprive them of revenue.
Samsung is an evil Chaebol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol
They have been involved in a lot of shady businesses and government corruption lets them be arrogant and unpunished. (Too big to fail?)
Samsung is run like the mafia.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/15/3991338/samsung-x-file-tapes-lawmaker-roh-hoe-chan-loses-government-seat
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee
There's too much to post here, and what's funny is that documentarian thinks Steve Jobs did some evil shit?
Games on the Apple TV will be nice to have but will not drive sales of the hardware. Nor will home automation or any other smarts. Nice to have, but they won't move units.
What will drive sales of the hardware is an easy to use media content delivery platform across multiple content providers.
You may think that consoles won't be effected, but parents control much of the purchases of children/teens, and with the release of the AppleTV with gaming, it may be "good enough" to replace or delay a console buy, especially with the note that many of the mobile games the children/teens already have will play fine on the AppleTV.
Congrats for thinking game consoles are for children or teens. News flash: they're not.
Nintendo is almost bankrupt and has no future, all because of iPhone and mobile gaming.
If Apple takes TV-gaming seriously, which it looks like they will, console gaming is going to take a hit. Whether its 10%, 30%, 50% of the market...who knows. But its going to take a hit.
Nintendo has so much money in the bank it's insane. Nice try though.
I'd think Sony would see an Apple TV going into gaming as a possible positive for Playstation.
I doubt many casual gamers buy the PS4 even now. An Apple TV for $149 that gets people play casual games could well be a "gateway drug" for people buying a serious gaming platform like PS4.
Could it actually be a collaboration with Apple and not a shot at them? Sony has expressed interest in bringing its Playstation Now streaming service to other companies platforms (i.e. Samsung Smart TVs already). Maybe they will be announcing a Plsystation Now App available for download in the new Apple TV App Store?
That would make some sense. It does not sound as competitive as it does, "Lets do this."