Banksy mural in France uses Apple's Steve Jobs to make statement about Syrian refugees

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  • Reply 21 of 122
    mwhite said:
    ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    At this point, Hillary seems the far more dangerous and predatory candidate. Trump's rhetoric would largely be constrained by the Constitution (for example, he just advocated for an automatic death penalty for all "cop killers". Well, that's a state issue, not a Federal one).
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  • Reply 22 of 122
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    I can't imagine rational people would be opposed to controlled immigration that properly vets the immigrant. Uncontrolled illegal immigration, as is common in California (for example) is not allowed anywhere else in the world. Simply opening the doors to thousands of refugees from nations where the majority of terrorist activity originates could be a problem, no?

    Also, shouldn't those hundreds of thousands of able-bodied young men fleeing Syria be instead fighting to repel Islamic State? I don't know about you, but I'd want to fight and kill an unwelcome invading army to protect my way of life. How would Germany (since they've allowed in one million refugees now) know for sure if there were not dozens, or hundreds of stealth ISIS members settling among their populace?
    The vetting process for the US isn't just extensive and exhausting, especially compared to simply getting a Visa (or a firearm), by has recently increased in difficulty due to new legislation so what uncontrolled immigration is there in the US? You mean more leaving the US to go back to Mexico than are coming in illegally? If you're afraid of terrorists, you need to those that do so in the name of Christ and those that instill terror on behalf of their ad supporters.
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    So when are you opening up your house to them?
    It is open.
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  • Reply 23 of 122
    mwhite said:
    ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Funny how people like this guy believe because he is a "business man" that he'll save America. Do these people realize at all about how he because so rich? Well it was by hostile taking over controlling interest in companies, completely running them into the ground and then bankrupting them. Ya bet he's going to do great things for America, if you want him as your president, sit your self down watch some of his show the apprentice and how big of an ass he is to everyone and think to your self "Would I want to be work this guy?". Now your answer would or should be most likely not, so why would you want this man as your president. Give you head a shake.
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  • Reply 24 of 122
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
    mwhite said:

    Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    It should noted here that Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the US during the Iranian hostage crisis in the 70s. Trump's suggestion is not without precedent, nor is it unconstitutional since his comment would apply to non-citizens.
    It was clear he meant ALL Muslims (including Americans). So I guess as long as there is precedent it is okay to do it, right? So we can assume you are fine with internment camps for muslims.. We have precedent during WWII with the Internment of Japanese Americans so why not!
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  • Reply 25 of 122
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    urbanverb said:
    Banksy is off the reservation.
    You sound as racist as that jackass, Trump.
    I'm no racist. I don't believe individuals should be classified by race.

    Also, mods may want to remind the poster of that slur that ad hominem attacks are not welcome here.
    That isn't an ad hominem toward you. He didn't say you were, he said you sound like, as in, your words.


    mwhite said:
    urbanverb said:
    Banksy is off the reservation.
    You sound as racist as that jackass, Trump.
    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    I don't agree with the "your (sic) an idiot" bit, but it should noted here that Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the US during the Iranian hostage crisis in the 70s. Trump's suggestion is not without precedent, nor is it unconstitutional since his comment would apply to non-citizens.
    Specious, is too soft a word to describe that false equivalency. Carter banned Iranians. He didn't ban a religion. Trump plan would even prevent American born Muslims from taking a 3-day Disney cruise to the Bahamas from rentering the US.

    But, you're right, there is precedence, unfortunately they are ALL the most distrusting parts of history.
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  • Reply 26 of 122
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,036member
    Politics, religion, and aha! now we have sperm donors. Something tells me that this article and comments section is on a downward spiral into total chaos. Thank you AI and Roger for finding ways to keep the Apple enthusiasts engaged in meaningful interaction on relevant topics. 
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  • Reply 27 of 122
    mwhite said:
    ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Funny how people like this guy believe because he is a "business man" that he'll save America. Do these people realize at all about how he because so rich? Well it was by hostile taking over controlling interest in companies, completely running them into the ground and then bankrupting them. Ya bet he's going to do great things for America, if you want him as your president, sit your self down watch some of his show the apprentice and how big of an ass he is to everyone and think to your self "Would I want to be work this guy?". Now your answer would or should be most likely not, so why would you want this man as your president. Give you head a shake.
    Trump isn't a mergers and acquisitions guy, he's a "leverage guy" (he borrows the equity from one or more properties to fund other developments, which creates a very shaky set of interlocking interests that are very risky). Still, he'd be more aware than Hillary of how business works. Either way, both candidates will use the office for their own benefit, make no mistake.
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  • Reply 28 of 122
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,059member
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.

    Right, because it's the bigoted American public again.   It has nothing to do with the fact that ISIS has publicly talked about infiltrating the program.  Or that we can't even vet people who live here under the deferred action immigration plan.  Or that allowing 10,000 refugees in with a 99.9% success rate means we've let in 10 jihadists.  
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  • Reply 29 of 122
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    I can't imagine rational people would be opposed to controlled immigration that properly vets the immigrant. Uncontrolled illegal immigration, as is common in California (for example) is not allowed anywhere else in the world. Simply opening the doors to thousands of refugees from nations where the majority of terrorist activity originates could be a problem, no?

    Also, shouldn't those hundreds of thousands of able-bodied young men fleeing Syria be instead fighting to repel Islamic State? I don't know about you, but I'd want to fight and kill an unwelcome invading army to protect my way of life. How would Germany (since they've allowed in one million refugees now) know for sure if there were not dozens, or hundreds of stealth ISIS members settling among their populace?
    The vetting process for the US isn't just extensive and exhausting, especially compared to simply getting a Visa (or a firearm), by has recently increased in difficulty due to new legislation so what uncontrolled immigration is there in the US? You mean more leaving the US to go back to Mexico than are coming in illegally? If you're afraid of terrorists, you need to those that do so in the name of Christ and those that instill terror on behalf of their ad supporters.
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    So when are you opening up your house to them?
    It is open.
    Personally, I'm not really "afraid" of terrorists at the moment, I'm far more distrustful of overreaching, unconstitutional government. HOWEVER, immigration IS Federally controlled and constitutionally mandated. How it is implemented varies greatly, especially when it comes to non-citizens (for whom there are few constitutional protections).
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  • Reply 30 of 122
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    mwhite said:
    Hi ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Not very long ago there was man very much like Donald Trump in Germany. His name was Adolf Hitler, and his rise to power started just an seemingly altruistic as Trump's. 
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  • Reply 31 of 122
    mwhite said:
    ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Funny how people like this guy believe because he is a "business man" that he'll save America. Do these people realize at all about how he because so rich? Well it was by hostile taking over controlling interest in companies, completely running them into the ground and then bankrupting them. Ya bet he's going to do great things for America, if you want him as your president, sit your self down watch some of his show the apprentice and how big of an ass he is to everyone and think to your self "Would I want to be work this guy?". Now your answer would or should be most likely not, so why would you want this man as your president. Give you head a shake.
    Trump isn't a mergers and acquisitions guy, he's a "leverage guy" (he borrows the equity from one or more properties to fund other developments, which creates a very shaky set of interlocking interests that are very risky). Still, he'd be more aware than Hillary of how business works. Either way, both candidates will use the office for their own benefit, make no mistake.
    I kind of know that and I make no mistake that both said candidates are terrible, well candidates. Unfortunately like Roman, America's empire will fall by corruption from with in.
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  • Reply 32 of 122
    mwhite said:
    Hi ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Not very long ago there was man very much like Donald Trump in Germany. His name was Adolf Hitler, and his rise to power started just an seemingly altruistic as Trump's. 
    That's a facile and poor comparison. Jews were not beheading or blowing up Germans as radical Islamists have been for a very long time.

    Yes, Trump is taking advantage of distrust and hate of murderers for his benefit, and that's no different from any politician capitalizing on incipient attitudes with an eye toward winning.
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  • Reply 33 of 122
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 2,030member
    ireland said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    The 52 school shootings in America this year were at the hands of Christians. The vast majority of the many thousands of killers in US society every year are Christian. The over a million innocents who were killed in the Middle East since 9/11 are a result of Christian government involvement. Christians kill, Muslims kill. Religion is not the issue. People born of both of these religions kill people. And both holy books of these religions are against it. The issues are control, hate and fear. The good news is the majority of the human race isn't for killing. If the US and the U.K. hadn't blown Iraq to pieces and given weapons to the Syrian opposition which ISIL came from and abandoned all their tanks we wouldn't have refugees flooding the boarders and we wouldn't have ISIL as we do today.
    Really?  I don't remember ONE school shooting being done by someone proclaiming any sort of Christian message or advocating Christianity.  I don't care which or if they went to Sunday School.   The fact is that the crimes committed by people from historically Christian "based" countries (US, W Europe, etc) are not typically done in the name of religion.  Those committed by people of muslim background, are often done in the name of religion, Allah, etc.   There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE and there is NO MORAL EQUIVALENCE.
    edited December 2015
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  • Reply 34 of 122
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    mwhite said:
    Hi ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Your an idiot Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Not very long ago there was man very much like Donald Trump in Germany. His name was Adolf Hitler, and his rise to power started just an seemingly altruistic as Trump's. 
    That's a facile and poor comparison. Jews were not beheading or blowing up Germans as radical Islamists have been for a very long time.

    Yes, Trump is taking advantage of distrust and hate of murderers for his benefit, and that's no different from any politician capitalizing on incipient attitudes with an eye toward winning.
    Let's see, a group of people want a country for themselves and are killing the current inhabitants that oppose them. Sounds a lot like US history. 
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  • Reply 35 of 122
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    sdw2001 said:
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.

    Right, because it's the bigoted American public again.   It has nothing to do with the fact that ISIS has publicly talked about infiltrating the program.  Or that we can't even vet people who live here under the deferred action immigration plan.  Or that allowing 10,000 refugees in with a 99.9% success rate means we've let in 10 jihadists.  
    So because someone talked about something you're willing to let yourself be frightened by words not backed up by actions? If I say I'm going to infiltrate your mom, you probably wouldn't like it, but you also wouldn't take it as a serious threat. Let's remember that France opened up their borders and yet the only terrorist that appeared to be a Syrian refugee had a faked passport.

    I thought America was the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. You and so many others certainly aren't acting like it. If you cower in fear because of an empty threat, you're letting them win. If you run away from people in need, you're letting them win. ISIL are Muslims about as much as Caucasian, male terrorists that shoot up Black churches and planned parenthood are Christians… meaning not at all.
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  • Reply 36 of 122
    ireland said:

    Why yes, Banksy, sperm donors and the countries they immigrated from should take all the credit for the achievements of the children they produced, but had no part in raising. His adopted father had nothing to do with who Steve became or what he achieved. /s
    Yeah besides creating him.
    So he deserves as much credit as mitochondrial Eve. Let's have Bansky paint her on a wall.
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  • Reply 37 of 122
    Soli said:
    sdw2001 said:
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.

    Right, because it's the bigoted American public again.   It has nothing to do with the fact that ISIS has publicly talked about infiltrating the program.  Or that we can't even vet people who live here under the deferred action immigration plan.  Or that allowing 10,000 refugees in with a 99.9% success rate means we've let in 10 jihadists.  
    So because someone talked about something you're willing to let yourself be frightened by words not backed up by actions? If I say I'm going to infiltrate your mom, you probably wouldn't like it, but you also wouldn't take it as a serious threat. Let's remember that France opened up their borders and yet the only terrorist that appeared to be a Syrian refugee had a faked passport.

    I thought America was the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. You and so many others certainly aren't acting like it. If you cower in fear because of an empty threat, you're letting them win. If you run away from people in need, you're letting them win. ISIL are Muslims about as much as Caucasian, male terrorists that shoot up Black churches and planned parenthood are Christians… meaning not at all.
    I'd much rather "open carry" was commonplace in America and Americans took their self-protection seriously, rather than cede their freedoms to police, the military or politicians. If there are more so-called "soft target" attacks, I believe open carry will be demanded by more people and it will probably cement a Trump victory. At least more people owning weapons and learning how to protect themselves and their families would be a net plus.
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  • Reply 38 of 122
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation. 
    you read it wrong. Jobs' biological father was muslim, which is why his biological mother wasnt allowed to marry him or keep the kid.
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  • Reply 39 of 122

    Rational people would support, at the very least, a pause in immigration right now. Mrs. Butcher of San Bernardino was more throughly vetted than the "refugees" are. That ended well. 
    and the guy who shot up the abortion clinic was born here. egads!
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  • Reply 40 of 122

    I don't agree with the "your (sic) an idiot" bit, but it should noted here that Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the US during the Iranian hostage crisis in the 70s. Trump's suggestion is not without precedent, nor is it unconstitutional since his comment would apply to non-citizens.

    Iranians are citizens of a nation, and nations have diplomatic relations with other nations. "Muslim" is a religion. there is NO precedent on banning people of a certain faith. try again. 
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