Apple invites press to Sept. 12 event at Apple Park's Steve Jobs Theater for 'iPhone 8'

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    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,965member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    edited September 2017
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    Doubled down; bold.


    Here's a video of a press event where the participants were, from your perspective, about the worst possible candidates for a press event as ever could be imagined.

    We all know how this worked out:


    edited September 2017 iqatedo
  • Reply 263 of 449
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.
    This implication that Apple is worse now or that Cook isn't the person for CEO because he's not as good an orator as Jobs is ridiculous.

    Personally, I don't believe that Apple would be as successful today if Jobs was still at the helm. I'm not saying it would be failing—far from it, but I think Cook's longterm vision  and either nonexistent or muted hubris makes Apple a better company from a business standpoint. Jobs vision and talent can't be stated strongly enough, but what Cook did under Jobs and continues to do as CEO doesn't get enough credit, IMO.

    tmayStrangeDayspscooter63patchythepirateronnradarthekat
  • Reply 264 of 449
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    I don't think Steve jobs sounded like James Earl Jones either. Yet, he was a master presenter. 

    Your comment is totally... oops... TOTALLY shallow. 
    edited September 2017 StrangeDayspscooter63ronnradarthekatrandominternetperson
  • Reply 265 of 449
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.
    Few CEOs are known for on stage personas or presentations. That's what spokespeople are for. Jobs was unusual in that he was both. And a product manager. Again, atypical for most CEOs, and that's fine. 
    pscooter63ronn
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    melgross said:

    tmay said:
    macxpress said:

    macxpress said:

    mike54 said:
    ... one more thing... Mac Mini !     ...please?
    Mac mini???? Bahahahahahaha! Who gives a shit about the Mac mini? Any new Mac mini is going to be the same as what's available today, only with faster processors and the latest Intel graphics. I wouldn't get your hopes up on anything more. 
    First, LOTS of people give a shit about the Mac mini. "Lots' obviously being a relative term in comparison to the iPhone, but enough that it keeps coming up. I can't imagine what you find funny about that, nor why you would feel inclined to insult what others wish for.

    Second, a wish list for the mini could include Thunderbolt 3 on USB-C connectors to provide consistency with the new notebooks, a return to quad-core processors, and native hardware acceleration for h.265.

    Third, what would be wrong with just a CPU and GPU upgrade? I might pull the trigger based on that alone.

    LOTS is a very relative term....Lots could be 1000, or it could be 50. The bottomline is that the Mac mini is just about the worst selling Mac they have in the lineup. Just because you have a use for it, doesn't mean LOTS of people give a shit about the Mac mini. 

    Maybe you aren't thinking this, but there are those out there (including here in AI forums) that seem to think Apple is going to make this modular Mac mini with swappable RAM, and storage as well as discrete graphics, and all for $799!!! This simply isn't gonna happen. 

    I've said it here many times and I'll say it again...the Mac mini exists for one reason and one reason only, so nobody can say Macs are expensive. They used to be for switchers, but in today's world I'd like to know how many "switchers" buy a Mac mini over an iMac. The same can be said for the MacBook Air...it only exists so people can't say Apple's notebooks are too expensive. 
    Quite right. There's no reason at all for the Mac Mini anymore; Apple has no need to push x86 switchers to MacOS.

    Still, I can see a market for a "Pro" AppleTV which would include AirPort, and media storage internally, and/or via USB Type C.

    Given a second HDMI port for a BD Player connection, such a device could manage BD, CD, and DVD media seamlessly with iTunes; Home Theater suitable for a great number of people.
    I think that Apple is missing the boat by not making a cheap, basic Tv device as Amazon and Google are doing. We know that Apple has slipped to four or five in tv hardware sales, and a new, expensive, 4K model isn’t going to change that much. Because of a lack of a popular, cheap, way of getting movies and Tv shows, their renting and sales of Tv shows and movies has also slipped. They used to be number one there, but they’re closer to number three now.

    i get that Apple wants to change the way we watch Tv, but those efforts are failing there. I’m willing to bet that what they’re doing now is a result of failing to secure agreements at the pricing they want for what they wanted to do. Meanwhile, even small players are gaining access to the content Apple is having problems with, because they are willing to play ball more. We see Sonos doing very well with that, and others too. Maybe if Apple came out with a $60-$75 Tv device, that might change. If Apple were back on top in rentals and purchase, they would have more leverage, but as they slip, whatever leverage they may have had, slips too.

    amazon gives a certain number of movies. Tv shows and music away for free each month with Prime. I think they lose money with Prime for most of those users. I just use Prime for shipping. But others take advantage of everything else. Amazon is willing to lose money on these services, but Apple isn’t, maybe they should.
    Why? To increase attendance at the Church of Marketshare? Not Apple's bag. Contrary to your concern I believe Apple services income is growing. 
    edited September 2017 netmage
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    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.
    But but but -- balance! We need balance! 
  • Reply 268 of 449

    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    I take it you've never seen Musk speak at a Tesla event then. He's horrible. Worse. Doesn't matter tho, not his prime responsibility. 
    patchythepirateronn
  • Reply 269 of 449
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,965member
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.
    Few CEOs are known for on stage personas or presentations. That's what spokespeople are for. Jobs was unusual in that he was both. And a product manager. Again, atypical for most CEOs, and that's fine. 
    That is pretty much it. Part of my work is to prepare people for presentations. And in a non-native tongue. Most of them take medication​ prior to the presentations. It is very difficult. You never truly understand that until you've had to stand in front of an audience and speak for even a few minutes.

    The more people, slides and minutes you add, the deeper the pain if presentations aren't your thing.
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    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    melgross said:
    I think that Apple is missing the boat by not making a cheap, basic Tv device as Amazon and Google are doing. We know that Apple has slipped to four or five in tv hardware sales, and a new, expensive, 4K model isn’t going to change that much. Because of a lack of a popular, cheap, way of getting movies and Tv shows, their renting and sales of Tv shows and movies has also slipped. They used to be number one there, but they’re closer to number three now.

    i get that Apple wants to change the way we watch Tv, but those efforts are failing there. I’m willing to bet that what they’re doing now is a result of failing to secure agreements at the pricing they want for what they wanted to do. Meanwhile, even small players are gaining access to the content Apple is having problems with, because they are willing to play ball more. We see Sonos doing very well with that, and others too. Maybe if Apple came out with a $60-$75 Tv device, that might change. If Apple were back on top in rentals and purchase, they would have more leverage, but as they slip, whatever leverage they may have had, slips too.

    amazon gives a certain number of movies. Tv shows and music away for free each month with Prime. I think they lose money with Prime for most of those users. I just use Prime for shipping. But others take advantage of everything else. Amazon is willing to lose money on these services, but Apple isn’t, maybe they should.
    Why? To increase attendance at the Church of Marketshare? Not Apple's bag. Contrary to your concern I believe Apple services income is growing. 
    I think you sound overly combative with his comment. Mel didn't just make a single line comment nor did he claim that Apple should do something. He started off with "I think" and then backed up his statement.

    I think there's definitely an argument to be made that Apple can increase their unit, revenue, and profit share of home-based media appliances, App Store usage and user lock in, iTS rental and sales, and the halo effect for being the least expensive Apple product that effectively runs iOS.

    If you think it would cause negative revenue or be so minor that it's not worth the effort then I'd like to read that rebuttal but your last statement reads like you're going after Mel and not his statement.
    gatorguypatchythepiraterandominternetperson
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    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    melgross said:
    melgross said:

    mobird said:
    Soli said:
    This will be landmark event for many reasons, one of which I hope will make this the most remembered event since the original 2007 introduction of the iPhone*.

    Won't be with out Steve Jobs. Tim Cook is no where close to what Steve could do with an audience...
    He’s enthusiastic to be sure, but he says that he’s uncomfortable in front of large audiences. Apple has a management school, and one thing it teaches is presentation. He’s much better than in the beginning, but his quiet demeanor comes across on the stage, and his slight southern drawl doesn’t give him the sharpness needed. Steve, of course, was unmatched. Just watching some old presentations shows that.
    I think the major difference -- what made Steve so great -- was that he understood the underlying technology and how it was being utilized to make people's live better -- as well as the infinite care from late and sleepless nights that went into making it a great product.   Tim is doing well -- but he just doesn't have Steve's underlying emotional investment or understanding of the product.
    Steve was like any entrepreneur, but he was just better at this whole marketing thing, because he really BELIEVED. Cook is really much better than he’s given credit for. Just watch presentations from other large companies, and you'll see what I mean. I think he also really believes, as do the others below him. But Steve had a talent for this, without having to learn it. Natural charismatics, are rare.

    edit; the usual typos, errors in auto correction that I always seem to miss until much later.
    You seem to have a far more in depth and inside knowledge of Apple than I do -- so I respect your opinion.
    But on this I would, knowing that my opinion may be based more on bias than fact, would differ with you.

    To me it seems that Steve's "charisma" stemmed from a deep conviction (that underlies mere 'faith' or 'belief' because it is founded on knowledge rather than faith) as well as a passion to present something that will make a difference in the world and make people's lives better. 

    While I very much respect Tim Cook and believe that he was an outstanding choice for CEO, I don't think he can every have that same magic as Steve -- not for lack of charisma (which I don't think that either has) but because he lacks the conviction and passion that show when presenting a product that you have personally spent long nights down in the nuts and bolts, bits and bytes while perfecting that product.

    I think Markkula, during the first Jobs movie said it best:  "I see that look in your eye -- because I've had myself". 
    tmaynetmageradarthekat
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member

    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    I take it you've never seen Musk speak at a Tesla event then. He's horrible. Worse. Doesn't matter tho, not his prime responsibility. 
    I wish Elon would concentrate on "his prime responsibility"; he treats Tesla like an all or nothing bet on the roulette table.

    So far, that has worked out for him, more or less, but there is some serious competition just over the horizon. A miss with Model 3 production won't kill the company, but it will kill any hopes of meaningful profitability.
    ronn
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    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member

    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    I take it you've never seen Musk speak at a Tesla event then. He's horrible. Worse. Doesn't matter tho, not his prime responsibility. 
    I don't know why Musk gets compared to Jobs as a presenter. Maybe it's because of accent but, to me, he speaks like a quintessential absentminded professor that stops partway through a statement because he had another idea that he then has to try to store away to write down later and then find his place again in his presentation. Jobs had a laser focus and was very singleminded in that regard.
    patchythepirate
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    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,655member
    They're going to be cutting it close on the Steve Jobs Theater. The latest quadrocopter "spy videos" showed people still working on it. Could still be some loose nuts and bolts in need of tightening.
    There's a bigger issue which is that the Steve Jobs Theater only seats 1000 people.   The Bill Graham Civic Auditorium sat 7000.   I don't know if they filled it, but it always looked filled.   Let's say 5000 attended.    That means 80% of the people who attended can no longer attend.   Those people are going to be pissed and will probably take it out on their reviews of the event and the products.   On the other hand, if they have 2 people each from the top 500 press entities, that's probably more than enough.  

    The last video I saw had two workers either sweeping, waxing or painting the upper lobby floor.  It was hard to tell which, but it was probably no more than a 1- or 2-day project.
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    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,655member
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:

    sog35 said:
    We seeing $170 stock price this year bitches (my apologies to female canines )


    Just as I predicted.
    We might see a drop in September. While most of what will and what won’t be in the phones are already in the stock price, any disappointment in iPhone 8 timing could disrupt that.
    we might see a drop right after the event.

    But I think we see a strong rise starting near Thanksgiving. $170 unless the USA goes to war.
    Has there ever been a time when Apple stock didn't drop right after such an event?   The idiot analysts are always disappointed.  They'd only be happy if Apple introduced a totally new product line of a totally different product that would instantly sell $billions and wouldn't cannibalize anything that Apple has today.     Like if Apple introduced a holographic TV, a transporter, a flying car or a personal robot with full AI capability.  Or maybe a sex toy.   Other than that, the stock price always temporarily drops.   An iPhone 7s and an iPhone 8 with a few new features isn't going to get analysts excited regardless of how many Apple will sell.   
    pscooter63
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    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    zoetmb said:
    They're going to be cutting it close on the Steve Jobs Theater. The latest quadrocopter "spy videos" showed people still working on it. Could still be some loose nuts and bolts in need of tightening.
    There's a bigger issue which is that the Steve Jobs Theater only seats 1000 people.   The Bill Graham Civic Auditorium sat 7000.   I don't know if they filled it, but it always looked filled.   Let's say 5000 attended.    That means 80% of the people who attended can no longer attend.   Those people are going to be pissed and will probably take it out on their reviews of the event and the products.   On the other hand, if they have 2 people each from the top 500 press entities, that's probably more than enough.  

    The last video I saw had two workers either sweeping, waxing or painting the upper lobby floor.  It was hard to tell which, but it was probably no more than a 1- or 2-day project.
    Isn't 5000 the max they allow for WWDC each year? And doesn't the prevent events seem to be filled with a lot of Apple employees? If they just allowed journalists and few high ranking employees would that work? I figure they could've made this space as large as they wanted and they chose to make it 1000, which is still something I haven't seen proof of and it seems unlikely that exact number of seated guests will be 1000.
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    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,655member
    Soli said:
    lkrupp said:
    Gone will be the days of citizen 'photojournalists' peaking in windows, filming banners being put up, watching for signs of product shipments at Apple's previous venues for product announcements. Apple now has total control at the Steve Jobs Theater. Nobody gets in, nobody gets out without Apple knowing about it. WiFi can be disabled, LTE can be jammed. Leo LaPorte can't set up shop across the street and pretend to be an invited guest. Oh the humanity!
    Can they legally jam wireless data? I thought that jammers were illegal for safety reasons. What I think they can do is create passive jammers, like building a Faraday cage around the underground event so that data can't be sent through the walls or simply use materials that make it difficult to impossible for signals to pass.
    Jamming LTE, WiFi, etc is a federal crime so Apple can't obviously do that.
    Apple doesn't have to do anything.   The auditorium is underground.   LTE is not going to get through and there's no law that states that Apple has to turn WiFi on in an auditorium.   You can't jam someone else's WiFi (although I'm not sure even that is true), but you can jam your own.  You just have to unplug it.  No crime there at all.    But I assume WiFi will be on, otherwise no one will be able to live comment on the event.   
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    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,965member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    Doubled down; bold.


    Here's a video of a press event where the participants were, from your perspective, about the worst possible candidates for a press event as ever could be imagined.

    We all know how this worked out:


    What is your point and what does it have to do with what I wrote?
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    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,965member

    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tim's biggest problem is that he doesn't have stage persona and his voice is tiring to listen to. Unfortunately he is also robotic and uses a monotonous tone.

    That isn't a criticism of him. He just isn't cut out for large presentations, in fact most of us aren't. I was not a big Jobs fan but his presentations were well constructed and delivered. Obviously they suffered towards the end due to underlying illness.

    I think Tim manages an uncomfortable situation as best he can and logically tries to hand over tasks to others ASAP while on stage.

    He must dread it but there's no way out of it.

    I'm not aware of any natural born presenters in Apple higher management right now.

    Craig has come on a lot over the years, even running demos on completely different areas within the same presentation but still needs experience.

    We should all give thanks that Jony Ive is limited to video appearances though. He makes Tim seem like Steve.
    You seem to see these events as superficial entertainment; a performance. I don't. Tim is displaying a stronger personna as each event occurs. He shows the same fire within himself, the same laser focus for Apple, that Steve did, and that is what I, and most of the rest of us foliowing Apple, see every day.

    I note that in most of your comments, you attempt to distract and divert attention from all the things that Apple does well, things that it is improving on, and things that it is leading on. 

    That must require a lot of energy on your part; working at being such a perfectly superficial, and shallow, participant on AI, as you have just demonstrated above, and so many times prior.

    ALL presentations are performances whether you see them that way or not, and Tim Cook isn't cut out for them. It's not his fault but being the CEO there is little he can do about it. One of a presenter's most important and effective tools is the voice. Unfortunately Tim Cook lacks in that vital area and there is very little he can do about it.
    I take it you've never seen Musk speak at a Tesla event then. He's horrible. Worse. Doesn't matter tho, not his prime responsibility. 
    I don't recall ever having watched him. Perhaps snippets. I hear its not his strong point. I think few people have it as a strong point. Even politicians need to constantly work on public speaking and it is literally part of their day to day activities. Imagine having to throw slides and synchronization into the soup. I fully understand why medical congresses seem more like dopefests behind the scenes.

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    zoetmb said:
    That means 80% of the people who attended can no longer attend.   Those people are going to be pissed and will probably take it out on their reviews of the event and the products.   On the other hand, if they have 2 people each from the top 500 press entities, that's probably more than enough.  
    Oh boo hoo hoo.... attending one of these is a privilege, not a right. The whiners will whine. 

    The oppsite may may end up happening. The ones that make it in there will feel so special, they'll not only feel more positive, but their reviews will be taken more seriously since they were there (and you can bet they'll let us know they were there!)

    ;-)
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