iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
"We’re going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard.” Steve Jobs, 2010
You can't force a standard, you can only propose one. It can be rejected regardless of what Steve Jobs wanted.
I can't find any evidence to suggest that FaceTime was ever proposed as a standard.
What do you mean by proposed? It was never up as an open source solution, but Steve Jobs certainly said it would be. If you mean the former, then no. If you mean the latter, than I'm sure we can dig up the event where he said it.
If you look at my original post (Reply #3), you'll see that I referenced Jobs' quote about making it a standard. Another commenter pointed out that a lawsuit may have been the death of FaceTime as a standard.
We've come a long way from the days Microsoft purloined QuickTime and then made their version, Windows Media Player, deliberately refuse to work on Macs or cooperate with Apple to solve the issue. The bane of my life back them with over 80 web sites.
"We’re going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard.” Steve Jobs, 2010
You can't force a standard, you can only propose one. It can be rejected regardless of what Steve Jobs wanted.
I can't find any evidence to suggest that FaceTime was ever proposed as a standard.
What do you mean by proposed? It was never up as an open source solution, but Steve Jobs certainly said it would be. If you mean the former, then no. If you mean the latter, than I'm sure we can dig up the event where he said it.
If you look at my original post (Reply #3), you'll see that I referenced Jobs' quote about making it a standard. Another commenter pointed out that a lawsuit may have been the death of FaceTime as a standard.
Understood.
I seem to recall hearing that everyone at Apple was surprised when Jobs made that quote; that he discussed it with no one and had no idea he was going to say that.
Yeah well of course MS wants in on the action now. They haven’t historically been known for a willingnesss to play well with others...now that their own mobile platform cratered they’re eating some humble pie.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
If iMessage is the primary reason to stick with an iPhone, Apple has bigger problems. While I get your point, a single feature should not be make or break.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Subtract those iOS users who have no desktop or laptop computer. There are plenty of those around the world.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
OR.....
Some people--like me--won't switch to Android because I don't want to give up iMessage. If iMessage appeared on Android, it would take away my barrier to switching.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
IMessage is definitely a moat in Buffet’s terms.
the only way I see this happening is if Apple charged $5 - 10 bucks a month in windows store or android play store per device. May tie into iMessage for Business.
But I hope they don’t do this because software resources are spread too thin a Apple. Apple needs to work on making Apple better.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
Big difference between integrating iMessage with Windows laptops / desktops, which are not competing with iOS, vs Android, which is competing with iOS. Even though the Mac user base has grown a lot, Windows still dominates the PC space and probably will for a long time. Nothing wrong with Apple enabling iMessage integration with Windows PCs for those iOS users that will probably never switch to a Mac.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
I see where you're coming from, but I agree with Canukstorm that it's different. Note that Apple has had many apps for Windows while Android has existed without offering those same apps to Android. Currently I'd say that iCloud for Windows is the biggest one. Is there a demand for "iCloud for Android" to exist, too?
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
I see where you're coming from, but I agree with Canukstorm that it's different. Note that Apple has had many apps for Windows while Android has existed without offering those same apps to Android. Currently I'd say that iCloud for Windows is the biggest one. Is there a demand for "iCloud for Android" to exist, too?
Yes, and remember the port of iTunes to Windows put a rocket under the sales of the iPod. Apple knows that a lot of people who are iOS use windows users on desktop and even Mac home users may have to use it at work. Therefore a desktop iMessage makes sense.
Apple could open iMessage to Windows and Android and take over messaging, thereby making SMS/MMS irrelevant (at least in the US). I would pay a monthly fee for iMessage service on my Android and have it sync with my iPhone and Windows Desktop.
iMessage isn’t even on iCloud.com. No way will Apple do anything to make it easier to switch to someone else’s hardware and iMessage is probably the stickiest thing in Apple’s ecosystem.
Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
Sure but if Apple ported iMessage to Windows (or allowed Microsoft to support it) the demand would be to do it for Android too which would be a disaster for iPhone IMO.
I see where you're coming from, but I agree with Canukstorm that it's different. Note that Apple has had many apps for Windows while Android has existed without offering those same apps to Android. Currently I'd say that iCloud for Windows is the biggest one. Is there a demand for "iCloud for Android" to exist, too?
Yes, and remember the port of iTunes to Windows put a rocket under the sales of the iPod. Apple knows that a lot of people who are iOS use windows users on desktop and even Mac home users may have to use it at work. Therefore a desktop iMessage makes sense.
Not your point, but I shouldn't have said that iCloud for Windows is the biggest one when iTunes for Windows exists. 🤦♂️
Microsoft knows they are left behind. The era of MSN messenger are over and even the purchase of Skype can't keep them where they want to be. Internet access moved from desktops to mobile and Microsoft had no relevant offering.
It won't happen. They just want to seem like the cool side for being willing to work together. While (in my opinion at least) iMessage on windows would just compromise its security and then we didn't even talk about different views of privacy, advertising... between the 2 company.
I clearly don’t know for certain, but at this point I think Apple would prefer to keep the infuriating green bubbles popping up in people’s messages app. It’s an incredible source of peer pressure. There’s no way Apple doesn’t realize this.
I clearly don’t know for certain, but at this point I think Apple would prefer to keep the infuriating green bubbles popping up in people’s messages app. It’s an incredible source of peer pressure. There’s no way Apple doesn’t realize this.
Segue: This is an incredibly minor request, but I wish the Messages was blue. Perhaps they want to keep it green like the Phone icon to indicate communication and there's already a plethora of blue icons, but it always seemed odd to me to keep it green once iMessage launched.
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Switch to what? Most iPhone users are Windows users for PCs, a stat that I worked out by comparing the installed base of iPhones in use with the installed base of Macs.
I seem to recall hearing that everyone at Apple was surprised when Jobs made that quote; that he discussed it with no one and had no idea he was going to say that.
or laptop computer. There are plenty of those around the world.
Some people--like me--won't switch to Android because I don't want to give up iMessage. If iMessage appeared on Android, it would take away my barrier to switching.
the only way I see this happening is if Apple charged $5 - 10 bucks a month in windows store or android play store per device. May tie into iMessage for Business.
But I hope they don’t do this because software resources are spread too thin a Apple. Apple needs to work on making Apple better.
One could only dream...
It won't happen. They just want to seem like the cool side for being willing to work together. While (in my opinion at least) iMessage on windows would just compromise its security and then we didn't even talk about different views of privacy, advertising... between the 2 company.