According to deep analysis by Anandtech, A12 GPU is better than S845 in SUSTAINED PERFORMANCE BY A WHOOPING 45 (FORTY-FIVE) PERCENT!!!! Yes, 45% faster. Your S845 is trash compare to A12 GPU.
To quote Anandtech:
“In terms of sustained performance, the figures quickly reduce after a few minutes and stabilise further down the road. Here, the iPhone XS outperforms the iPhone X by 61%. The Apple A12 is also able to beat the current leader, the Snapdragon 845 inside the OnePlus 6, by 45% in sustained performance.
...the iPhone XS and XS Maxi, thanks to the new A12 SoC, showcase industry leading performance and efficiency, and currently are the best mobile platforms for gaming, period.”
S855 is ONLY 20% faster than S845. Do the math. OUCH!
Second the SD 855 CPU is 45% more master than the CPU in the 845 so if I do the number men this is what you got.
SD 845 geekbench multi cores is 9,020 X .45% = 13,079 vs 11k+ on the A12 bionic so I think you dont want to talk about numbers
Third the GPU on the snapdragon 855 is 20% faster than the GPU in the 845 so from 128,091 X .20= 153,709 vs 124,528 of the A12 bionic
According to deep analysis by Anandtech, A12 GPU is better than S845 in SUSTAINED PERFORMANCE BY A WHOOPING 45 (FORTY-FIVE) PERCENT!!!! Yes, 45% faster. Your S845 is trash compare to A12 GPU.
To quote Anandtech:
“In terms of sustained performance, the figures quickly reduce after a few minutes and stabilise further down the road. Here, the iPhone XS outperforms the iPhone X by 61%. The Apple A12 is also able to beat the current leader, the Snapdragon 845 inside the OnePlus 6, by 45% in sustained performance.
...the iPhone XS and XS Maxi, thanks to the new A12 SoC, showcase industry leading performance and efficiency, and currently are the best mobile platforms for gaming, period.”
S855 is ONLY 20% faster than S845. Do the math. OUCH!
Are you smoking something??.
We have the adreno 630 runing on a single high performance core using opened gl es 3.1 in a 10 nm technology with a 1866 mhz memory ram doing 128k in antutu In the other side we have tha A12 runing on 6 cores using metal 2 with a 7 nm technology with 2133 mhz memory ram scoring 124k and you still believe in what you are saying??
Drugs are bad man, stop using them.
Huh?! A12 GPU has 6 cores? Adreno 630 running 1866 Mhz??? You're confusing CPU speeds with GPU!!! You don't even know the difference!!!! LOL
According to deep analysis by Anandtech, A12 GPU is better than S845 in SUSTAINED PERFORMANCE BY A WHOOPING 45 (FORTY-FIVE) PERCENT!!!! Yes, 45% faster. Your S845 is trash compare to A12 GPU.
To quote Anandtech:
“In terms of sustained performance, the figures quickly reduce after a few minutes and stabilise further down the road. Here, the iPhone XS outperforms the iPhone X by 61%. The Apple A12 is also able to beat the current leader, the Snapdragon 845 inside the OnePlus 6, by 45% in sustained performance.
...the iPhone XS and XS Maxi, thanks to the new A12 SoC, showcase industry leading performance and efficiency, and currently are the best mobile platforms for gaming, period.”
S855 is ONLY 20% faster than S845. Do the math. OUCH!
Second the SD 855 CPU is 45% more master than the CPU in the 845 so if I do the number men this is what you got.
SD 845 geekbench multi cores is 9,020 X .45% = 13,079 vs 11k+ on the A12 bionic so I think you dont want to talk about numbers
Third the GPU on the snapdragon 855 is 20% faster than the GPU in the 845 so from 128,091 X .20= 153,709 vs 124,528 of the A12 bionic
Again you dont want to talk about numbers.
855 may match A12...but that is only in multicore...and that is because it has 4 BIG cores (vs. 2 on A12). BUT you forgot one thing...Geekbench also tests memory subsystems. And then you talk about power efficiency of the CPU cores....
Anandtech again on S855:
"The highest performance core, “Kryo 485 Gold Prime” as Qualcomm calls it, is clocked in at 2.84GHz – putting it on its own clock domain – and is seemingly configured with a 512KB L2 cache. The other three cores are clocked at 2.42GHz and retain smaller 256KB L2 caches. This configuration is quite odd – you also would expect Qualcomm to take advantage of the new DynamIQ cluster design, which is able to support different frequency and voltage planes, however things get even odder. The prime core actually doesn’t have its own voltage plane, and thus it has to share its voltage plane with the other three big cores.
This revelation of the prime core not having its own power domain is quite shocking and it invalidates a lot of the benefits of actually having a separate clock plane for a core. In effect the real-world benefit here isn’t any different than simply clock-gating the core.
Such a 1+3 configuration would achieve better performance and possible better efficiency than a 2+2 configuration, but because the cores aren’t running on separate voltage planes it means the actual benefits here in real-world applications are just going to be quite minor. The net result is that the setup is leaving a lot of power efficiency on the table: the voltage supplied to both core groups is always going to be the greater of whatever is being asked for, even if one of the two groups could operate on (much) less voltage.
Qualcomm’s 2.84GHz clock is 9.2% higher than HiSilicon 2.6GHz frequency. A big question here is just how far Qualcomm has driven the core up on the power curve – I am expecting it to be less efficient than the Kirin 980 by some margin....
Lastly, I do find it odd that Qualcomm went for smaller L2 caches on the remaining 3 high performance cores. I still expect these to end up higher performance than HiSilicon’s 1.92GHz A76 units with 512KB L2’s
Moving on, we see the four Cortex-A55 derived efficiency cores, which are running at 1.8GHz and coupled with 128KB L2 caches. In this regard, it seems the Snapdragon 855 doesn’t differ from the Snapdragon 845.
In terms of performance, all that Qualcomm publishes is a claim of up to a 45% performance increase over the Snapdragon 845. As with last year, it’s a bit of a mystery exactly what this figure represents, but the number pretty much falls in line exactly where the Kirin 980 performs in relation to the Snapdragon 845 in SPEC2006."
All I'm saying I have seen you in two major arguments this week and you have been terrible at both.
All I'm saying is maybe the minute an Android person is identified, they should ban him and save you embarrassment.
The mods are stepping in, not because of any debate about facts -- you'll note that the beginning of the conversation was retained -- but because we have rules about forum behavior and how you all talk to each other, and all the comments deleted stepped way over the line.
They are conveniently listed at the bottom of every page. If you'd like to re-have your discussion, with those rules in mind, go nuts. Do not interpret this moderation as an invitation to discuss the nature of it.
All I'm saying I have seen you in two major arguments this week and you have been terrible at both.
All I'm saying is maybe the minute an Android person is identified, they should ban him and save you embarrassment.
The mods are stepping in, not because of any debate about facts -- you'll note that the beginning of the conversation was retained -- but because we have rules about forum behavior and how you all talk to each other, and all the comments deleted stepped way over the line.
They are conveniently listed at the bottom of every page. If you'd like to re-have your discussion, with those rules in mind, go nuts. Do not interpret this moderation as an invitation to discuss the nature of it.
Fair enough ... it gets very hairy here.
But I don't want to restart the discussions because IMO, it's like kids often and there isn't any mature debate - so it just degenerates anyhow.
"And as Google's Pixel is inadvertently demonstrating: you can build a fancy Android phone that looks like an iPhone, but there aren't enough Android fans who are willing to pay for it because there are so many cheaper alternatives. You might call it the Surface Effect."
I'd say Google's problem is more of distribution. It has very limited distribution with carriers globally and the direct-to-consumer market is just not big in the U.S. Apple is sold at every carrier with enticing smartphone deals and ample financing. Google needs to decide what it wants to be in the smartphone space.
"And as Google's Pixel is inadvertently demonstrating: you can build a fancy Android phone that looks like an iPhone, but there aren't enough Android fans who are willing to pay for it because there are so many cheaper alternatives. You might call it the Surface Effect."
I'd say Google's problem is more of distribution. It has very limited distribution with carriers globally and the direct-to-consumer market is just not big in the U.S. Apple is sold at every carrier with enticing smartphone deals and ample financing. Google needs to decide what it wants to be in the smartphone space.
"And as Google's Pixel is inadvertently demonstrating: you can build a fancy Android phone that looks like an iPhone, but there aren't enough Android fans who are willing to pay for it because there are so many cheaper alternatives. You might call it the Surface Effect."
I'd say Google's problem is more of distribution. It has very limited distribution with carriers globally and the direct-to-consumer market is just not big in the U.S. Apple is sold at every carrier with enticing smartphone deals and ample financing. Google needs to decide what it wants to be in the smartphone space.
I'd also put it out down to distribution : no one can get their hands on one
"And as Google's Pixel is inadvertently demonstrating: you can build a fancy Android phone that looks like an iPhone, but there aren't enough Android fans who are willing to pay for it because there are so many cheaper alternatives. You might call it the Surface Effect."
I'd say Google's problem is more of distribution. It has very limited distribution with carriers globally and the direct-to-consumer market is just not big in the U.S. Apple is sold at every carrier with enticing smartphone deals and ample financing. Google needs to decide what it wants to be in the smartphone space.
I'd also put it out down to distribution : no one can get their hands on one
How so? No one can buy one? It’s sold out on Google? Verizon cannot keep in stock either? Wow! It’s hot!
There are plenty other countries and people out there - you're not the only market.
You in the US may be able to get, but others can't. Others can get other phones, you can't.
That's how it works - there are 195 countries. Plenty of people outside the 13 countries actually want the Pixel, because pretty much the top 2 phones currently are either the Huawei or Pixel, depending who you ask.
Google is taking a more global approach to the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL launch, announcing that it will now offer its new phones in 13 countries
There are plenty other countries and people out there - you're not the only market.
You in the US may be able to get, but others can't. Others can get other phones, you can't.
That's how it works.
But even here...in it’s home country...it is not selling well...i do wonder if OnePlus beats it here even....
Ah ok - I haven't looked at the figures there ... But I'll read up.
I thought it was very popular there.
So when you go out with a few mates, iPhone is the predominant phone ? But Android itself is not big there, right?
I am sure Android as a whole is very popular. Marketshare is always a big thing for Android...great for Google search engine and data collection. But marketshare does nothing for consumers.
There are plenty other countries and people out there - you're not the only market.
You in the US may be able to get, but others can't. Others can get other phones, you can't.
That's how it works.
But even here...in it’s home country...it is not selling well...i do wonder if OnePlus beats it here even....
Ah ok - I haven't looked at the figures there ... But I'll read up.
I thought it was very popular there.
So when you go out with a few mates, iPhone is the predominant phone ? But Android itself is not big there, right?
FWIW OnePlus may well be outselling the new Pixels. It's a highly regarded handset with excellent features (some unique) and a very compelling price. It's actually been tagged as Phone of the Year and strongly recommended.
'It markets smartphones under the OPPO, OnePlus, RealMe and Vivo brands'
Oppo and Vivo are the two largest brands in China and together account for close on 45m sale just there, excluding the other two brands. So this company splits the naming of the brands, but if it was a single smartphone company I suspect it'd be #2 in the world
pretty much the top 2 phones currently are either the Huawei or Pixel, depending who you ask.
LOL!!! Even Android websites won't even make that bold claim!! Such silliness from Android fanboys!
I didn't say it is - but almost any review puts either one of the two at the top. Occasionally the XS - so would you be happier if I said one of those 3 is generally considered the top in the world?
The thing with reviews is they're objective and they look at the good and bad of every phone.
pretty much the top 2 phones currently are either the Huawei or Pixel, depending who you ask.
LOL!!! Even Android websites won't even make that bold claim!! Such silliness from Android fanboys!
I didn't say it is - but almost any review puts either one of the two at the top. Occasionally the XS - so would you be happier if I said one of those 3 is generally considered the top in the world?
The thing with reviews is they're objective and they look at the good and bad of every phone.
Didn’t Android police crown 1+ over Huawei and Pixel? XDA didn’t like Pixel much either. Android Authority was not impress with Huawei.
Yeah not sure what reviews you’re reading. The standard by which every smartphone is compared to is always iPhone.
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SD 845 geekbench multi cores is 9,020 X .45% = 13,079 vs 11k+ on the A12 bionic so I think you dont want to talk about numbers
Third the GPU on the snapdragon 855 is 20% faster than the GPU in the 845 so from 128,091 X .20= 153,709 vs 124,528 of the A12 bionic
Again you dont want to talk about numbers.
For your education, Adreno 630 runs 710MHz.
Your S845 CPU:
4x Kryo 385 Gold (A75 derivative)
@ 2.8GHz 4x256KB pL2
4x Kryo 385 Silver (A55 derivative)
@ 1.80GHz 4x128KB pL2
You quoted Anandtech before. Read ANANDTECH again kid. A12 GPU is 45% faster than S845 In SUSTAINED performance. FACT.
Anandtech again on S855:
"The highest performance core, “Kryo 485 Gold Prime” as Qualcomm calls it, is clocked in at 2.84GHz – putting it on its own clock domain – and is seemingly configured with a 512KB L2 cache. The other three cores are clocked at 2.42GHz and retain smaller 256KB L2 caches. This configuration is quite odd – you also would expect Qualcomm to take advantage of the new DynamIQ cluster design, which is able to support different frequency and voltage planes, however things get even odder. The prime core actually doesn’t have its own voltage plane, and thus it has to share its voltage plane with the other three big cores.
This revelation of the prime core not having its own power domain is quite shocking and it invalidates a lot of the benefits of actually having a separate clock plane for a core. In effect the real-world benefit here isn’t any different than simply clock-gating the core.
Such a 1+3 configuration would achieve better performance and possible better efficiency than a 2+2 configuration, but because the cores aren’t running on separate voltage planes it means the actual benefits here in real-world applications are just going to be quite minor. The net result is that the setup is leaving a lot of power efficiency on the table: the voltage supplied to both core groups is always going to be the greater of whatever is being asked for, even if one of the two groups could operate on (much) less voltage.
Qualcomm’s 2.84GHz clock is 9.2% higher than HiSilicon 2.6GHz frequency. A big question here is just how far Qualcomm has driven the core up on the power curve – I am expecting it to be less efficient than the Kirin 980 by some margin....
Lastly, I do find it odd that Qualcomm went for smaller L2 caches on the remaining 3 high performance cores. I still expect these to end up higher performance than HiSilicon’s 1.92GHz A76 units with 512KB L2’s
Moving on, we see the four Cortex-A55 derived efficiency cores, which are running at 1.8GHz and coupled with 128KB L2 caches. In this regard, it seems the Snapdragon 855 doesn’t differ from the Snapdragon 845.
In terms of performance, all that Qualcomm publishes is a claim of up to a 45% performance increase over the Snapdragon 845. As with last year, it’s a bit of a mystery exactly what this figure represents, but the number pretty much falls in line exactly where the Kirin 980 performs in relation to the Snapdragon 845 in SPEC2006."
They are conveniently listed at the bottom of every page. If you'd like to re-have your discussion, with those rules in mind, go nuts. Do not interpret this moderation as an invitation to discuss the nature of it.
But I don't want to restart the discussions because IMO, it's like kids often and there isn't any mature debate - so it just degenerates anyhow.
There are plenty other countries and people out there - you're not the only market.
You in the US may be able to get, but others can't.
Others can get other phones, you can't.
That's how it works - there are 195 countries. Plenty of people outside the 13 countries actually want the Pixel, because pretty much the top 2 phones currently are either the Huawei or Pixel, depending who you ask.
Google is taking a more global approach to the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL launch, announcing that it will now offer its new phones in 13 countries
I thought it was very popular there.
So when you go out with a few mates, iPhone is the predominant phone ?
But Android itself is not big there, right?
Marketshare does not mean Pixel is selling well.
Most my mates have blue bubble.
I don't live in the US so I'm trying to understand the market. I think that's the biggest difference with you and I - I enjoy listening and learning.
I found the below quite interesting - something I didn't know before :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBK_Electronics
'It markets smartphones under the OPPO, OnePlus, RealMe and Vivo brands'
Oppo and Vivo are the two largest brands in China and together account for close on 45m sale just there, excluding the other two brands. So this company splits the naming of the brands, but if it was a single smartphone company I suspect it'd be #2 in the world
The thing with reviews is they're objective and they look at the good and bad of every phone.
Yeah not sure what reviews you’re reading. The standard by which every smartphone is compared to is always iPhone.