Google suspends Huawei's Android license, forces switch to open-source version

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  • Reply 41 of 81
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,938member
    Folio said:
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned latest CNBC piece on Google, collecting details from your purchase receipts sent via gmail. (While I assumed they still culled meta data, I thought they vowed to stop reading the internals.) If true, this may be the straw to make me cut gmail to minimum. Most of family still uses as primary link. Maybe tmrow AI and gator will address.
    It was mentioned several times this weekend as well as addressed and opined on. 

    All email is "read" whether it's Apple or Google providing the service. How else to identify malware attachments, spam, phishing, etc? The "purchases" box is another one of several categories of further categorizations. Subscriptions is another. Both the original report as well as Google themselves is clear that this isn't being used to market to you.  The bone of contention is that unlike some other categories where there's a single toggle to delete it all at once or turn it off altogether this one does not have one yet.

    Perhaps it would have been better to wait until that part was set up before introducing what was presumably intended as a convenience category. There's any number of reasons that someone might not want a list of their purchases while someone else might appreciate them being all in one place. The controls need to be finished out sooner rather than later. 
    edited May 2019 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 42 of 81
    roake said:
    Some of the responses to this move by 'TheRealDonald' and Google's subsequent action are truly amazing.

    'TheRealDonald' will now threaten Europe, Canada, Australia etc to follow suit. Increases in Tariffs and blacklisting will be his main weapons.

    A worldwide depression could be on the cards all because of one man with tiny hands. /s
    I suddenly know who you are!  You are the legendary Alan Greenspan, come out of retirement to
    post in this forum!!

    I can’t believe we didn’t see it before!
    I don't know if that is a compliment or not... But no, I'm not Mr Greenspan sadly. :)
  • Reply 43 of 81
    ivanhivanh Posts: 597member
    It’s time to hear from Oracle to ban Huawei using JAVA developed apps.
    mwhitewatto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 81
    What happens to other Chinese OEMs like Xiaomi, BBK Brands (Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus), Lenovo etc? Will Google revoke their licenses as well?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 45 of 81
    qwweraqwwera Posts: 281member
    KITA said:
    Looks like a number of other major players are taking action too:
    Chipmakers including Intel Corp., Qualcomm Inc., Xilinx Inc. and Broadcom Inc. have told their employees they will not supply Huawei till further notice, according to people familiar with their actions.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-19/google-to-end-some-huawei-business-ties-after-trump-crackdown
    Perhaps we'll also see Microsoft pull Windows support as well in the coming days.
    And I can see China pull Microsoft, China and other American technology companies from the largest economy on earth. This can backfire spectacularly.
  • Reply 46 of 81
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,392member
    Ah, as Veronica Lodge once sagely noted, karma’s a bi***.

    If China thinks Trump isn’t serious, or doesn’t have more up his sleeve, they’ve got another think coming. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 81
    Ah, as Veronica Lodge once sagely noted, karma’s a bi***.

    If China thinks Trump isn’t serious, or doesn’t have more up his sleeve, they’ve got another think coming. 
    So long as Xioami, BBK, Lenovo etc are not banned from using Google play store, how is it going to affect China's stranglehold on Android smartphone market share all over the world? The smartphone sales will move from Huawei to one of the other Chinese OEMS in international markets, isn't it?
  • Reply 48 of 81
    redhotfuzzredhotfuzz Posts: 313member

    A worldwide depression could be on the cards all because of one man with tiny hands.
    I'm conservative but not a Trump fan, but let's be honest here: China has been a rogue player in world markets for many years now and U.S. presidents (including the Lord and Savior Barack Obama, He Who Did No Wrong) have talked a big talk about doing something about it while sitting on their hands. It's not Trump's fault everyone else kicked the can down the road. Do you honestly expect the U.S. and the rest of the world to just tolerate China's blatant and systematic IP theft, currency manipulation and bad faith trade practices? The current situation was inevitable thanks to the Chinese, and would only have continued to get worse over time.
    mwhiteCarnagewatto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 81
    redhotfuzzredhotfuzz Posts: 313member
    There doesn't seem to be any proof of misconduct by Huawei.
    You sit in on Western countries' intelligence briefings, do you?

    Also, only a complete ignoramus would deny China's open and rampant practice of IP theft.
    mwhitewatto_cobra
  • Reply 50 of 81
    redhotfuzzredhotfuzz Posts: 313member
    qwwera said:
    KITA said:
    Looks like a number of other major players are taking action too:
    Chipmakers including Intel Corp., Qualcomm Inc., Xilinx Inc. and Broadcom Inc. have told their employees they will not supply Huawei till further notice, according to people familiar with their actions.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-19/google-to-end-some-huawei-business-ties-after-trump-crackdown
    Perhaps we'll also see Microsoft pull Windows support as well in the coming days.
    And I can see China pull Microsoft, China and other American technology companies from the largest economy on earth. This can backfire spectacularly.
    Second largest economy. Also, what is Chinese technology without American technology? Nothing. They've boosted everything they have from Western companies. I suppose they can decide to close their doors and make Chinese tech wares exclusive to the Chinese people. Methinks that will go very badly for both China's economy as well as the Community Party's iron grip on power. China was a billion-person backwater before it opened its economic doors to the world and will quickly devolve to one if it closes its doors again.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 81
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,215member

    A worldwide depression could be on the cards all because of one man with tiny hands.
    I'm conservative but not a Trump fan, but let's be honest here: China has been a rogue player in world markets for many years now and U.S. presidents (including the Lord and Savior Barack Obama, He Who Did No Wrong) have talked a big talk about doing something about it while sitting on their hands. It's not Trump's fault everyone else kicked the can down the road. Do you honestly expect the U.S. and the rest of the world to just tolerate China's blatant and systematic IP theft, currency manipulation and bad faith trade practices? The current situation was inevitable thanks to the Chinese, and would only have continued to get worse over time.
    The problem is that Trump has now become a 'rogue player' himself by taking action with nothing tangible to go on. He was in such a hurry that he didn't even wait for trials to heard.

    There will be a lot of damage as a result. To both sides.
  • Reply 52 of 81
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,215member
    There doesn't seem to be any proof of misconduct by Huawei.
    You sit in on Western countries' intelligence briefings, do you?

    Also, only a complete ignoramus would deny China's open and rampant practice of IP theft.
    There is no need to sit on intelligence committees. The Germans asked for evidence of wrongdoing. They got none. The US said that proof was not necessary.

    Trump tweeted his frustration at the USA not competing on 5G and claiming he didn't want to win by banning other players - and yet here we are, awaiting a Chinese response and uncertain if it will be measured or not.

    One thing is for sure, if they decide to become even more rogue, we know who ratcheted things up to this level.

    Trump is now officially 'unpredictable' and that is not what the markets want.
    luxetlibertas
  • Reply 53 of 81
    sirozhasirozha Posts: 801member
    China will now start developing their own mobile and desktop OSes. Probably based on Linux. They understand that relying on proprietary western technologies is dangerous from their national security perspective. 

    The West will disengage from China, realizing that relying on the Chinese manufacturing and Chinese high-tech is dangerous from the national security prospective. 

    China will be able to satisfy its capacity with its own demand. The West will have to build up its capacities to satisfy the existing demand.

    We are entering a new era where the major confrontation is between China and the West. The question is with which side will Russia, Africa, India, and the Middle East align themselves. 
    edited May 2019
  • Reply 54 of 81
    There doesn't seem to be any proof of misconduct by Huawei.
    You sit in on Western countries' intelligence briefings, do you?

    Also, only a complete ignoramus would deny China's open and rampant practice of IP theft.
    This is sloppy thinking. Proof should be open to questioning, and nothing has been brought forward, not even an accusation. Likewise, accusations of IP theft should be substantiated in court.  And Huawei is not China and China is not Huawei. China does have lots of policies that disadvantage foreign companies, even apart from the problem of being a one-party state, and these things have to be worked out preferably working together with allies. But Trump is open about what this whole trade war really is about: "‘Not on my watch’: China won’t be number one in the world, says Donald Trump" (see link in 'Reply 35'). This is standard would-be dictator strategy, inventing enemies.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 55 of 81
    sirozhasirozha Posts: 801member
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    tmaymwhiteredhotfuzz1stwatto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 81
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,166member
    sirozha said:
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    All of your statements are supported by factual information.

    Kudos

    Links to that effect are very easy to find. 
    redhotfuzzanantksundaramwatto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 81
    tmay said:
    sirozha said:
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    All of your statements are supported by factual information.

    Kudos

    Links to that effect are very easy to find. 
    His very first statement "Huawei is China and China is Huawei" is incorrect. If "China is Huawei" is a factual statement, then what are Xiaomi/BBK/Lenovo etc? They are USA?
  • Reply 58 of 81
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    tmay said:
    sirozha said:
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    All of your statements are supported by factual information.

    Kudos

    Links to that effect are very easy to find. 
    No! The alleged IP theft depends on what you defined as IP. China haters make the definition very generous. But this will not stand in the US court. There have been several cases of Chinese scholars accused of IP theft. All the cases have been dismissed by the courts. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 59 of 81
    sirozha said:
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    Science and education is definitely not IP theft. Chinese students are welcome for example at Wageningen University in the Netherlands to study agriculture and do their research there. Then, they are free to apply all this knowledge in China or wherever they want.
    So many are allowing themselves to be manipulated by hate mongering, and forget to think, use the mental faculties they were given, for the good of humanity.
  • Reply 60 of 81
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    sirozha said:
    Huawei is China and China is Huawei. Read the story of Huawei. 

    The IP theft by all Chinese companies is well documented. Moreover, the Chinese government requires surrender of the IP to the Chinese “partners” by Western companies who want to do business in China. Add to that currency manipulation, Chinese government subsidies, etc. Finally, have you heard about the Chinese government requiring all of their graduate students to engage in the IP theft from Western universities where they participate in research as part of their graduate studies? It’s not even an option; it’s a requirement. The Chinese government withdraws its tuition payments of the graduate student comes home for summer without the “goodies, i.e. files of stolen IP. The Chinese government also requires that its nationals employed in the West engage in industrial espionage by applying pressure on the relatives who still live in China if a particular Chinese individual doesn’t send home stolen IP. 


    Science and education is definitely not IP theft. Chinese students are welcome for example at Wageningen University in the Netherlands to study agriculture and do their research there. Then, they are free to apply all this knowledge in China or wherever they want.
    So many are allowing themselves to be manipulated by hate mongering, and forget to think, use the mental faculties they were given, for the good of humanity.
    Yes Europe benefited by Age of Enlightenment especially Netherlands. 
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