iPhone 11 Pro review - Buy for the better camera, stay for the battery life

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Before the release of iPhone 11 Pro, Apple took a lot of heat for what was predicted to be a very minor iteration over last year's iPhone XS. What was actually delivered is anything but inconsequential.

iPhone 11 Pros
iPhone 11 Pros in space gray and Midnight Green

What it is

Announced on September 10, the iPhone 11 Pro comes in four colors: gold, Space Gray, silver, and Midnight Green. Just like the iPhone XS before it, it is available in capacities of 64, 256 and 512 gigabytes.






Aside from the difference in screen size, there is no upgrade when jumping from the iPhone XS to the iPhone XS Max. Once again, yet unlike the "Plus" models released prior to the iPhone XS Max, the smaller variant of the flagship iPhone has the exact same camera system as its larger counterpart.

We've been testing gold, Space Gray and Midnight Green iPhone 11 Pro models with 256GB of storage.

Three-lens camera

Apple has always used an excellent camera in the iPhone. It's easy to look back at a camera made two or three years ago, and make outlandish claims about it being "garbage."

iPhone 11 Pro in Midnight Green and Space Gray sport three cameras
iPhone 11 Pro in Midnight Green and Space Gray sport three cameras


Of course a camera from three years ago isn't as good as the one in a newly-released iPhone. That's how this works. Technology advances.

Anyway, as we've said before, the clearest improvement in the iPhone 11 Pro family is the three-lens camera. In the now-square camera protrusion, Apple has included a five-element ultra-wide lens with an f/2.4 aperture and 120-degree field of view, and a six-element f/1.8 wide lens.

A six-element telephoto lens with an f/2.0 aperture has a 2x optical zoom-in, the same as the iPhone X and iPhone XS, but also notably a 2x optical zoom-out.

The wide and telephoto lenses have optical image stabilization.

Ultra wide lens (left) and the standard wide lens (right) on iPhone 11 Pro
Ultra wide lens (left) and the standard wide lens (right) on iPhone 11 Pro


What gets lost in the noise of "The best smartphone camera is..." headlines that abound this time of year is the video quality that is generated by the system as a whole. Video can be captured at 4K resolution at 24, 30 or 60 frames per second, and utilizes optical image stabilization on the wide and telephoto lenses.

If you shoot at night a lot, or have been anxiously awaiting Portrait mode for your pets, now's your time. Apple has improved the machine learning and computational photography in the iPhone 11 Pro, and to a lesser extent, everything that can run iOS 13.

iPhone 11 Pro Night mode (left) and iPhone XS (right)
iPhone 11 Pro Night mode (left) and iPhone XS (right)


As a result, photos in low-light environment have the detail that you want. That furry creature that lives in your house can now get the same photo treatment on your phone with bokeh and other effects that your kids or significant other did before the update.

Better photographers than us have already chimed in on the quality of the camera, the lenses, and the software. Again, again, and again.

Related to that camera headline proliferation, there is no one true, best camera for any given set of eyes. We'll be delving into this at much, much greater depth very soon. And, we'll be comparing the cameras to many other high-end smartphones in the coming days, so you can see for yourself.

Here's the bottom line: the iPhone 11 has a great camera for stills and video. The iPhone 11 Pro has a greater one not just in hardware, but in software too.

...and the 12MP TrueDepth selfie camera

For most users, the upgrade of the selfie camera to 12 megapixels with an f/2.2 aperture won't make one single bit of difference. But, it does have a big utility in interviews.

iPhone 11 Pro has a 12MP True Depth Camera System
iPhone 11 Pro has a 12MP True Depth Camera System


As demonstrated during the Sept. 10 event, that camera can be used in conjunction with the back camera, and both can record to the iPhone's flash storage at the same time. This sets up a one-device dual-camera system, so an interviewer and interviewee can be captured simultaneously.

We suspect Apple has something else in mind for the future here. But, what that is isn't apparent in the tea leaves just yet.

"Super Retina XDR display" is a fancy way to say better than 2018

The 2,436-by-1,125 OLED screen in the iPhone 11 Pro isn't quite the same as it has been for the last two years. Beyond just the name change of this year's screen to "Super Retina XDR display," the iPhone 11 Pro now has a 2,000,000 to one contrast ratio, compared to 1,000,000 to one on the iPhone XS and iPhone X. Additionally, the iPhone 11 Pro has a brightness of 800 nits typically and up to 1200 nits with HDR, whereas the iPhone XS has 625 nits.

The Super Retina XDR display makes movies pop
The Super Retina XDR display makes movies pop


If you're coming from an older device, like the iPhone 8 or any other iPhone model that isn't double-digits, the swipe-up to return Home isn't a big deal. We gave our review unit to a daily user of an iPhone SE, and they were instinctively trying to swipe up in place of a home button hit after only a few hours of use on the newer device.

It is an adjustment, of course. It's just not a long one, nor a particularly major one.

Face ID is still great. It doesn't appear that there are any hardware changes year-over-year, but iOS 13 has made great strides in speed since the iPhone X shipped two years ago with iOS 11.

The Face ID system requires multiple cameras and emitters, and basically mandates that notch. Some hate it, some don't mind it -- but we're not sure that on its own without Face ID, that anybody loves it.

Wireless speed & Wi-Fi 6

No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future.

It is absolutely the right decision for Apple to wait until 2020 for 5G. The technology just isn't final yet, and there are many examples practically demonstrating this. And, it's going to take years to build out the network.




This all said, the performance from the iPhone 11 Pro on LTE is better than it is in the iPhone XS and iPhone X.

On the Verizon network, we got about 61 megabits per second download speed, and 27 megabits per second upload speed with the iPhone 11 Pro in our main test location. An iPhone XS held in the same manner, in the exact same location got about 47 megabits per second download speed, and 11 megabits per second upload speed. Not too shabby -- but either speed is more than enough for web surfing, streaming 4K, or just about any other use you can think of.

What you get for results will vary a great deal on your carrier and provisioning where you're standing at any given moment. Most of the speed testing we've performed here was in a well-provisioned commercial area in and around Crystal City, Virginia, at night with very, very few residences. We get notably less performance from LTE in our brick house, next to a hill just two miles away -- but the proportionality of the difference between the two models is maintained.

In regards to Wi-Fi, the new Wi-Fi 6 has officially been here for a few days. There have been draft versions of it included on assorted pieces of PC hardware and the like, but the 2019 iPhone Wi-Fi incorporates the full, final version of the spec.

The underlying Wi-Fi 6 technology promises a great deal. But, like 5G, that "great deal" isn't quite here yet. It's far, far closer in Wi-Fi 6 than it is in 5G, though, in the same way that food in your refrigerator is far closer to you than the goods at the supermarket that you like down the road.

Apple's decision to include Wi-Fi 6 on the 2019 iPhone stands in contrast to its call on 5G -- for good reason. Wi-Fi 6 is finalized, and there are no revisions coming to the spec other than errata which are likely alterable by firmware updates. You can't say this about 5G, to say nothing of the fact that the modems available today for 5G are veery literally hot, and drain the battery like a cannonball hole in a water tank's wall.

The inclusion here of Wi-Fi 6 is good, and forward-thinking with no risk. There remains lots of risk on setting on a 5G chipset in 2019, assuming that iPhone users keep devices for years -- but more on that retaining an iPhone for a long time concept in a bit.

But, for now, expect 802.11ac speeds from nearly every piece of home or enterprise networking gear, because the routers just aren't here in any volume as of September 2019. This will change -- and we'll be talking about what's going on with Wi-Fi 6 and what you should know about it very, very soon.

And, when we can get a router that isn't $500, we'll run a variety of tests on the iPhone 11 Pro, and get back to you.

Battery

You wanted that thicker phone and more battery life, you got it. Specifically, the iPhone 11 Pro has a 3046 mAh battery with about the same power draw that the iPhone XS had.

iPhone 11 Pro ships with a USB-C to Lightning cable and power adapter
iPhone 11 Pro ships with a USB-C to Lightning cable and power adapter


The iPhone 11 Pro line ships with a USB-C power adapter, and a USB-C to Lightning cable. This is a good thing. Fast charge will slam your iPhone up to 50% charge in about 30 minutes, if you're in a pinch.

Don't let it get that far if you can avoid it, though. Qi chargers are inexpensive and convenient. And, at 7.5W of power supplied to the iPhone generally, they generate less battery-killing heat, even if they don't quick-charge like a cable will.

Get one for your desk, one for your bedside, and one for the office. You won't be sorry.

If you must know, we got results for constant use that exceeded Apple's estimated video playback time, with a run of a HEVC-encoded 4K HDR iTunes film streaming from Apple's servers over a Wi-Fi 802.11ac connection for 12.1 hours.

Regardless of what you're doing, you're going to be able to go all day. And, Apple says the iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPhone 11 will go even longer.

Raw, blistering speed

iPhone XS (left) and iPhone 11 Pro (right) Geekbench 5 results
iPhone XS (left) and iPhone 11 Pro (right) Geekbench 5 results


Using the new GeekBench 5 benchmark, our iPhone 11 Pro got a three-run average single-core score of 1361. The multi-core run gave us a 3561 averaged over three runs as well. For comparison, our Galaxy Note 10 Plus that we reviewed earlier in September scored a 741 single-core score on the new suite, and a 2701 multi-core benchmark.

The GeekBench 5 Compute score leverages Metal on the Mac and iOS, and Vulkan everywhere else -- and was even more profound. The iPhone 11 Pro scored a 6309, with the Galaxy Note 10 hitting 2201.

It's fortunate that the Pixel is about to be updated. The Pixel 3XL delivered less than half the performance of the single-core test, about half the multi-core benchmark, and one-tenth the compute score.

We also ran the AnTuTu benchmark and received a cumulative score of 456760 across CPU, GPU, UX, and memory tests. That compares favorably to our results on our iPhone XS, which scored a total of 370618. It saw the biggest boosts in the CPU and GPU categories.

But here's the thing: as you can see, the iPhone 11 Pro is fast, so very fast. How much of this really matters day-to-day, today?

As you'd expect, we have a pile of iPhones spread across the AppleInsider staff going back a decade. Most of them still can be used as a phone, but usability with modern versions apps is questionable past about four years old.

This is the way of things. The older iPhones aren't getting slower, the demands that are being placed on them by Apple, developers, and users are escalating.

In building the fastest mobile chipset, and having done so for the last seven years consecutively, they're setting users up to use that iPhone for two years as a best in class, or near-best model. And, iPhones being used for four years or more isn't uncommon. In this regard, Apple is a victim of its own success.

Most Android phones are good enough for the year that they were released. Most are just fast enough to not be crippled by the operating system, and the flagships are good enough for now and maybe out 30 months -- assuming you can get a current version of Android for it.

The iPhone 11 Pro is not just "good enough." It will be "good enough" in four or five years, and is the best kind of overkill right now.

Ultra Wideband

Apple's got a fancy, new U1 chip in the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro. Basically, the U1 chip is used for spatial awareness, not just for the iPhone to know where it is in space, but for it to know where other objects that it can detect are.

The technology will nearly certainly be used to enhance the "Find My" app in the future, and interior navigation and Maps enhancements are obvious. We'd mentioned the device tracker rumors earlier -- and that seems like an obvious use as well, given the removal of the word "iPhone" from the "Find My" app title.

Most of the big-ticket features of the U1 are waiting for the imminent rollout of iOS 13.1, and not with iOS 13 that is on the iPhone 11 Pro today. The improved AirDrop with direction awareness and suggestions on who to beam a file to arrives in that version of the operating system.

Apple has high hopes for the U1. Apple says that not only does the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro have the first UWB installation on a smartphone, but it will also pave the way for new features to be added to the iPhone.

But, right now, it doesn't do much. We'll see what pops out in the next few months, or down the road.

Spatial audio

Apple likes marquee features a great deal, and one of them is the new "spatial audio." Apple says that it supports Dolby Atmos in iTunes movies, plus 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound mixes.

Look -- we like iPhone audio just fine. The speakers are very nice for as small as they are. But, to realistically call this any kind of Dolby Atmos playback, or in any way comparable to a 5.1 or 7.1 system is... well, it's ridiculous.

Does it sound good? Yes. It is louder than the previous iPhones? Absolutely. Will you be blown away by the acoustical fidelity? Nope, because the physics just won't allow it.

In theory, you can use one of several Lightning to HDMI breakouts, or AirPlay to do this, but why would you want to? Just get an Apple TV or an iTunes-compatible television and play whatever you want that way, because you just aren't going to get that fidelity with no real air volume in the iPhone speakers.

Bigger and better?

The iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max are the same, with the exception of the screen being 6.5 inches diagonally with a correspondingly higher resolution on the iPhone 11 Pro Max, and 5.8 inches on the iPhone 11 Pro. The camera system, the processor, the speed, the available colors, and the storage capacities are the same.

iPhone 11 Pro (left) and iPhone 11 Pro Max (right)
iPhone 11 Pro (left) and iPhone 11 Pro Max (right)


The iPhone 11 has a 6.1-inch screen at 326 pixels per inch, has a two-lens camera, better battery life, and the "Liquid Retina" LCD screen. As with 2018, don't let the LCD versus OLED internet battle fool you -- it is still a very nice screen.

In regards to physical usability, the iPhone 11 Pro can only charitably be called a single-hand device. You'll be hard-pressed to reach the upper corners of the screen gripping with one hand -- unless you've got a truly massive hand. This is aggravated on the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro Max, both of which are clear two-handers.

Choosing between the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro

This review isn't about the iPhone 11 Pro Max or iPhone 11. We'll be talking about both of them in more detail very soon. But, nothing operates in a vacuum, and the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro Max are available now too.

Ignoring the iPhone "Pro" branding, because enough has been said on that matter already, there's a lot of talk about the iPhone 11 being the phone for the masses this year, and that may be true. But, the iPhone 11 Pro is the one for those who live on their devices, and use it as the central piece of a digital lifestyle.

iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro


If you're looking at the iPhone 11 Pro from the iPhone XS, it comes down to that camera, and maybe the battery life. We're not sure we recommend a one-year flagship-to-flagship jump, unless you have to have a new iPhone every year.

This reviewer is coming from an iPhone X as a daily driver, and the two-year cycle is a big jump. It is more than I thought it would be when I started assessing the new unit.

It is an even bigger shift in the iPhone experience overall if you're coming from an iPhone 8, or anything with a physical Home button. But, regardless of old habits dying hard, getting an iPhone 11 Pro of some sort is absolutely a jump worth taking if the iPhone is integral to your daily life and your iPhone is feeling pokey.

If the iPhone is just an assistant, or your Mac is the primary device in your life, stick with what you have, or get the iPhone 11.

Rating: 4.5 out of 5

Where to buy

Savings on the iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max can be found at popular wireless carriers, from BOGO offers to instant rebates and no interest financing incentives. Highlighted below are current specials, with a more detailed list available in our iPhone deals roundup. Please note: terms and conditions apply to each offer; please see the corresponding retailer's site for details.

iPhone 11 Pro deals

  • AT&T Wireless: Buy an eligible iPhone and get up to $1000 in combined credits off the iPhone 11, Pro, and Pro Max when you buy both on a qualifying installment plan with an eligible AT&T unlimited plan.
  • Sprint: Starting at $12.50 per month with Sprint Flex lease and select trade-ins
  • Verizon Wireless: Get up to $700 off the iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone 11 Pro Max via bill credits when you switch to Verizon with select trade-in and Unlimited plan.
  • T-Mobile: Trade up to the new iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone 11 Pro Max and get up to 50% off.
  • Walmart: Save up to $100 on the iPhone 11 Pro. Offer valid only on purchase with installment plan.
  • Sam's Club: Get a $150 Sam's Club gift card when you buy and activate an iPhone 11 Pro or iPhone 11 Pro Max by Nov. 8.
  • Visible: Get up to a $200 Prepaid Mastercard Virtual Account when you buy an iPhone 11 and bring your phone number to Visible. Plus get 0% financing, no money down, no upgrade fees, and free overnight shipping for well-qualified customers.
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  • Reply 1 of 90
    Thanks, I’ll pass.
    Lack of a Home Button is the 100% deal breaker for me.
    If I wanted an Android phone, I’d have one.
    When Apple brings back TouchID (and an associated virtual Home Button), and gets rid of the notch - ie fixes most of what Jonny Ive has screwed up, I’ll be first in line - until then, my iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 will do just fine).

    Again, I’m not poo-poo’ing the tech, which is superbly executed, but I’m not going to spend good money to support incompetence and (IMO) Ive’s clueless stupidity. Good riddance that he’s gone, and I have confidence in Tim Cook and Jeff Williams fixing this mess starting next year.
    AppleExposedpscooter63williamlondonmike54Metriacanthosaurus
  • Reply 2 of 90
    If they get rid of FaceID, you bet I would not be in line at all. You win some, you lose a few. That’s how it is.
    edited September 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 90
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    People are calling it "a camera that has a phone".

    Thanks, I’ll pass.
    Lack of a Home Button is the 100% deal breaker for me.
    If I wanted an Android phone, I’d have one.
    When Apple brings back TouchID (and an associated virtual Home Button), and gets rid of the notch - ie fixes most of what Jonny Ive has screwed up, I’ll be first in line - until then, my iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 will do just fine).

    Again, I’m not poo-poo’ing the tech, which is superbly executed, but I’m not going to spend good money to support incompetence and (IMO) Ive’s clueless stupidity. Good riddance that he’s gone, and I have confidence in Tim Cook and Jeff Williams fixing this mess starting next year.



    You even get the headphone jack everyone's complaining about. Beautiful ain't it?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 90
    Thanks, I’ll pass.
    Lack of a Home Button is the 100% deal breaker for me.
    If I wanted an Android phone, I’d have one.
    When Apple brings back TouchID (and an associated virtual Home Button), and gets rid of the notch - ie fixes most of what Jonny Ive has screwed up, I’ll be first in line - until then, my iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 will do just fine).

    Again, I’m not poo-poo’ing the tech, which is superbly executed, but I’m not going to spend good money to support incompetence and (IMO) Ive’s clueless stupidity. Good riddance that he’s gone, and I have confidence in Tim Cook and Jeff Williams fixing this mess starting next year.
    I used to feel this exactly, but the Apple stated that this is what they see as the future of iPhone, I decided earlier this year to leave my 8 and get the XS. After many months of using it, I can say that I wouldn't go back. It's too seamless. Even though I'd been using a home button for 12 years (since the original), it only took a few hours for new muscle memory to kick in, it's that intuitive. Now if they would only make the Pro features in a smaller screen size...
    redraider11netroxDeelronmejsricStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 90
    I'll pass too, and wait for next year. Maybe 5G, both Touch ID + Face ID and probably a redesign.
    williamlondonmike54chemengin1
  • Reply 6 of 90
    I was ready to consider this a "pass" year as I really like my XS Max, but that camera system... *drool*
    applesnorangespscooter63iqatedowatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 90
    I’ll too pass!!!   Hell no!! I’m waiting on mine. Which I will get late thanks to me forgetting to set my alarm and ordering 8 minutes late. I did get the X but I return it cause I wasn’t feeling it. Got my wife the Xs plus when it came out. It was so much better than the X. Now I’m getting the 11 pro max. Can’t wait to get it. I do love my 7 well now 8. Best iPhones I’ve had. I love the wife’s XS plus too. Face ID is so seem less 
    matrix077watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 90
    Thanks, I’ll pass.
    Lack of a Home Button is the 100% deal breaker for me.
    If I wanted an Android phone, I’d have one.
    When Apple brings back TouchID (and an associated virtual Home Button), and gets rid of the notch - ie fixes most of what Jonny Ive has screwed up, I’ll be first in line - until then, my iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 will do just fine).

    Again, I’m not poo-poo’ing the tech, which is superbly executed, but I’m not going to spend good money to support incompetence and (IMO) Ive’s clueless stupidity. Good riddance that he’s gone, and I have confidence in Tim Cook and Jeff Williams fixing this mess starting next year.
    I am a big fan of Touch ID also.   Despite the new phones not having it, these look like great phones.  As for the "notch" - I suspect that if Apple wanted to, they could offer a "notch free mode".   That would mean a straight line under the sensors and maybe lose some of the screen on the bottom to make it look more equal.  My guess is this could all be done in iOS and the same phone could do notch or no notch depending on what the user preference is.  Could you imagine that ? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 90
    I upgraded to the 11 Pro Max from an XS Max. The camera alone is worth the upgrade in my opinion. I've been testing out the new camera and I'm pretty impressed. The new night mode is really amazing. I was testing out night mode on a dark sky filled with stars and a small amount of light pollution. Surprisingly, the iPhone was able to capture stars I couldn't see with the naked eye. This was handheld as well. Sure there is grain in the photo, but this isn't a DSLR. The photos I took aren't really blurry either. Pretty impressive considering this is a phone camera. 
    iqatedowatto_cobraalexonline
  • Reply 10 of 90
    It's been five days since I last charged my Xs--I unplugged it Monday morning, and it's now early Saturday morning. I've been using it daily and normally (although I put it in airplane mode overnight while I'm sleeping), and the battery is now at 21%. So I figure I can probably get at least another day out of it before I have to charge it again. For my own use case, four more hours of battery life does not sound like it's even worth mentioning. So would that be about 3%, or for someone like me would it translate to an extra day or two? But of course I know that plenty of other people seem to go through their batteries much faster, since those are the only people you normally hear about.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 90
    "For most users, the upgrade of the selfie camera to 12 megapixels with an f/2.2 aperture won't make one single bit of difference. "

    'Not one single bit' is maybe not the best expression to use in this context..
    edited September 2019 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 90
    If it supports Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1 playback, you can use headphones that support Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1. No Airplay required. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 90
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    If it supports Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1 playback, you can use headphones that support Dolby Atmos and 5.1/7.1. No Airplay required. 
    The effectiveness of 5.1 and 7.1 headphones is arguable.
    watto_cobrallama
  • Reply 14 of 90
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,667member

    "No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future."

    If we take an educated guess from the rumours, it is almost certain that Apple was aiming for a 5G modem this year but intel didn't deliver.

    Releasing a 5G modem next year will not change the 'standards are still shaking out' claim. The relevant standards for current 5G modems were finalised at the end of 2017. Commercial deployment is now a reality and Apple probably wanted to be part of that reality.

    Long before Apple ships anything with a 5G modem, Huawei alone will have shipped 2,000,000 5G base stations worldwide. Add in Ericsson and Nokia, plus Qualcomm and Samsung and it is clear that Apple is at both a marketing and technological disadvantage. 5G will roll out far faster than previous generations.

    5G coverage will vastly improve through 2020. China is accelerating an already accelerated 5G roll out. Korea has massive plans. Europe too. The devil is in the details but Release 15 is finalised. The only changes to that will be stabilisation efforts. NSA is what current modems (with the exception of Huawei which claims SA support too) are using and that is finalised and real.

    Apart from the brute speed angle, things like 4GLTE/5G (NSA/SA)  network slicing will also bring big advantages to everyone. Apple is obviously going to find it harder to compete in even a 5G NSA world without a product and when it does have a 5G product, the standard will still be 'shaking out'. I think it matters today from a purchasing perspective and no doubt a fair amount of potential buyers will put purchases off to wait for it along with the rumoured body redesign. Users looking for a phone to take them through a three or four year cycle might be even more reluctant to upgrade now.

    https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2018/03/21/first-5g-standard-complete-so-whats-next
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 15 of 90
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    avon b7 said:

    "No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future."

    If we take an educated guess from the rumours, it is almost certain that Apple was aiming for a 5G modem this year but intel didn't deliver.

    Releasing a 5G modem next year will not change the 'standards are still shaking out' claim. The relevant standards for current 5G modems were finalised at the end of 2017. Commercial deployment is now a reality and Apple probably wanted to be part of that reality.

    Long before Apple ships anything with a 5G modem, Huawei alone will have shipped 2,000,000 5G base stations worldwide. Add in Ericsson and Nokia, plus Qualcomm and Samsung and it is clear that Apple is at both a marketing and technological disadvantage. 5G will roll out far faster than previous generations.

    5G coverage will vastly improve through 2020. China is accelerating an already accelerated 5G roll out. Korea has massive plans. Europe too. The devil is in the details but Release 15 is finalised. The only changes to that will be stabilisation efforts. NSA is what current modems (with the exception of Huawei which claims SA support too) are using and that is finalised and real.

    Apart from the brute speed angle, things like 4GLTE/5G (NSA/SA)  network slicing will also bring big advantages to everyone. Apple is obviously going to find it harder to compete in even a 5G NSA world without a product and when it does have a 5G product, the standard will still be 'shaking out'. I think it matters today from a purchasing perspective and no doubt a fair amount of potential buyers will put purchases off to wait for it along with the rumoured body redesign. Users looking for a phone to take them through a three or four year cycle might be even more reluctant to upgrade now.

    https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2018/03/21/first-5g-standard-complete-so-whats-next
    I understand what you're saying it, and why you're saying it. The problem is partially the rollouts and partially the modems. The modems available today are hot battery drainers, and Apple's presence in the space doesn't magically change that. Those "finalized and real" modems you speak about are anything but finalized, and are pretty bad. This year, right now, we're in about the same implementation space as the iPhone 4, two years before Apple rolled out LTE in the iPhone.

    Couple that with the ratification of the latest modem spec about two weeks ago, and another expected in about March of 2020 right when Apple will need modems, and inclusion of a not-ready for prime time technology in the phone this year remains a bad idea regardless of what Joe Public may think that they want.

    We're not opposed to 5G. It's just not ready for a good implementation, delivering what the mass market wants right now. In regards to that roll-out, I live in a dense suburb of Washington DC. I am about six miles away from the White House. I won't see 5G in this neighborhood for four or five years. DC proper won't have a "complete" rollout for two more years.

    And, there will always, always be something to wait for next year about. That is the nature of technology. This is no different. At some point. companies need to produce a device and a consumer needs to jump on the purchase train.
    edited September 2019 muthuk_vanalingamcapt. obviousStrangeDayswatto_cobrallama
  • Reply 16 of 90
    Mike Wuerthele said: The effectiveness of 5.1 and 7.1 headphones is arguable.
    Dolby believes it's effective for mobile use. That doesn't mean it's viewed as the same thing as a home theater experience. 

    https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/mobile/dolby-atmos.html
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 90
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    Mike Wuerthele said: The effectiveness of 5.1 and 7.1 headphones is arguable.
    Dolby believes it's effective for mobile use. That doesn't mean it's viewed as the same thing as a home theater experience. 

    https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/mobile/dolby-atmos.html
    Sure, I agree they exist. I've even used a few.
    watto_cobra
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    dewmedewme Posts: 5,362member
    Nice right up guys, especially the "Raw, Blistering Speed" section that was very well presented. 
    watto_cobra
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    Mike Wuerthele said: Sure, I agree they exist. I've even used a few.
    Do you think Dolby is conning people with the HRTF explanation of how mobile Atmos works? 
    watto_cobra
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    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    avon b7 said:

    "No, there is no 5G on the iPhone 11 Pro family at all, and there shouldn't be this year. Standards are still shaking out, carriers are still getting their act together. What works this year is probably not going to be even close to a full array of what 5G will support in the future."

    If we take an educated guess from the rumours, it is almost certain that Apple was aiming for a 5G modem this year but intel didn't deliver.

    Releasing a 5G modem next year will not change the 'standards are still shaking out' claim. The relevant standards for current 5G modems were finalised at the end of 2017. Commercial deployment is now a reality and Apple probably wanted to be part of that reality.

    Long before Apple ships anything with a 5G modem, Huawei alone will have shipped 2,000,000 5G base stations worldwide. Add in Ericsson and Nokia, plus Qualcomm and Samsung and it is clear that Apple is at both a marketing and technological disadvantage. 5G will roll out far faster than previous generations.

    5G coverage will vastly improve through 2020. China is accelerating an already accelerated 5G roll out. Korea has massive plans. Europe too. The devil is in the details but Release 15 is finalised. The only changes to that will be stabilisation efforts. NSA is what current modems (with the exception of Huawei which claims SA support too) are using and that is finalised and real.

    Apart from the brute speed angle, things like 4GLTE/5G (NSA/SA)  network slicing will also bring big advantages to everyone. Apple is obviously going to find it harder to compete in even a 5G NSA world without a product and when it does have a 5G product, the standard will still be 'shaking out'. I think it matters today from a purchasing perspective and no doubt a fair amount of potential buyers will put purchases off to wait for it along with the rumoured body redesign. Users looking for a phone to take them through a three or four year cycle might be even more reluctant to upgrade now.

    https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2018/03/21/first-5g-standard-complete-so-whats-next
    But somehow they keep succeeding and the new, substandard iPhones are selling quite well it would appear. That must really piss you off big time. Apple, slowly going out of business for over forty years now.
    williamlondontmaySoliStrangeDayswatto_cobra
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