Mark Zuckerberg claims Apple's App Store charges 'monopoly rents,' stifles innovation

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Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg took aim at Apple's App Store on Thursday, calling the platform a deterrent to innovation and competition.

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The comments specifically referred to Apple's ongoing saga with various gaming-related apps, including Epic Games. But they come just about one month after both Zuckerberg and Apple CEO Tim Cook testified before the U.S. House Judiciary committee about alleged anti-competitive practices at both of their companies.

During a webcast with employees on Thursday, Zuckerberg said that Apple has a "unique stranglehold as a gatekeeper on what gets on phones." He also claimed that Apple's App Store "blocks innovation, blocks competition" and allows the company to "charge monopoly rents," BuzzFeed News reported.

"That's innovation that could really improve people's lives," Zuckerberg said. "And Apple's just balking at it."

More specifically, Zuckerberg appeared to be answering a question about the ongoing Apple and Epic Games saga. For example, he called Apple's attempt to block Epic Games' Unreal Engine a "problematic" and "extremely aggressive move."

Apple was barred by a U.S. District Court from revoking the Unreal Engine developer account. That same court also denied an Epic Games request for a temporary restraining order that would restore "Fortnite" to the App Store, which was removed after Epic implemented a direct payment system in violation of Apple's guidelines.

The comments from Zuckerberg are only the latest illustration that there's no love lost between Apple and Facebook.

Just a day prior to Zuckerberg's webcast on Thursday, Facebook warned advertisers that new privacy features in iOS 14 could lead to up to a 50% drop in advertiser revenue.

On Thursday, Facebook also claimed that Apple blocked an update to its social media application that informed users of Apple's 30% cut of in-app purchases.

Earlier in August, Facebook complained that Apple forced it to release an "inferior" version of its Facebook Gaming app to be accepted onto the App Store. Prior reports indicated that Apple blocked the app at least five times due to various developer guideline violations.

The contentious relationship between the two tech giants stretches further back than that. In 2019, Facebook was found to be using its Enterprise Certificate to bypass App Store restrictions and get users to download a data-harvesting "research" app. Apple temporarily revoked the certificate -- a move that chaos at the social media giant.
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  • Reply 1 of 68
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 2,409member
    Apple should respond, “Mark, you have exactly the kind of software company we are trying to protect our users from. So we will take your insult as a complement.”
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  • Reply 3 of 68
    Facebook warned advertisers that new privacy features in iOS 14 could lead to up to a 50% drop in advertiser revenue.


    Cry me a river Mark.
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  • Reply 4 of 68
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,396member
    For this to be true, there has to be no viable market alternatives. Yet iOS is not the majority market share, as Android provides a wide open plain of alternatives -- multiple app stores, as well as side-loading. There is inarguably room there for this supposed stifled innovation to thrive. 

    Apple cannot have a monopoly on their own store, no more than McDonald's has a monopoly on their own store & menu by not allowing Whoppers, or sushi vendors, etc...
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  • Reply 5 of 68
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,134member
    Bitter Zucky ... his add revenue is about to get hit by  iOS 14  and. his answer is to throw garbage at Apple and cry like a baby!  

    Stifle competition?  with millions of App on ios App store. which has made million and billions for countless developers!!.. its considered stifling and monopolistic????

    Stop crying Zucky.. go get some milk and cookies..
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  • Reply 6 of 68
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,396member
    I wouldn’t even use a tiny violin. Zuckerberg’s opinions are entirely unimportant. His company’s business model is abusive & offensive. His refusal to deal with hate mongering, spread of disinformation, and sales of ripoff products on his company’s platform is abusive & offensive.

    Throwing rocks (“oh hey, let’s all pile on Apple for the wrong reasons”) at Apple, while living in a glass house... Zuckerberg can frell all the way off. 
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  • Reply 7 of 68
    Probably the most ridiculous thing I have read all year...
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  • Reply 8 of 68
    Says the guy who prostitutes every last bit of his software users’ data like a $2 tramp.
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  • Reply 9 of 68
    twokatmewtwokatmew Posts: 27unconfirmed, member
    CuJoYYC said:
    Facebook warned advertisers that new privacy features in iOS 14 could lead to up to a 50% drop in advertiser revenue.


    Cry me a river Mark.
    This. Facebook can afford Apple’s price, but Zuckerberg is accustomed to being his own monopoly. We’d all be better off without Facebook IMNSHO. 
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  • Reply 10 of 68
    We knew this narrative would be coming because iOS will ding their ad revenue, as others pointed out.
    The timing however, seems deflection from FB's failure to apply their own standards, which helped lead to a 17 year old crossing state lines illegally with a rifle, and killing 2 and maiming 1, in Kenosha.
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  • Reply 11 of 68
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,833member
    What happened to Facebook's smartphone? Maybe it was too innovative.
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  • Reply 12 of 68
    quenchquench Posts: 14member
    So Facebook, you deny conservatives a voice on your platform, deleted countless positive posts about President Trump. 
    Facebook you are dishonorable for silencing a large portion of the country because you disagree with conservative values.
    Rot in hell!
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  • Reply 13 of 68
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 5,661member

    During a webcast with employees on Thursday, Zuckerberg said that Apple has a "unique stranglehold as a gatekeeper on what gets on phones." He also claimed that Apple's App Store "blocks innovation, blocks competition" and allows the company to "charge monopoly rents,"... 
    And the iPhone user community is perfectly happy with that.

    Asshole.
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  • Reply 14 of 68
    What a schmuck.
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  • Reply 15 of 68
    stukestuke Posts: 109member
    Let's try posting this again, later in the day...

    Why not have your Facebook app start-up with a transparency message how every click/action you make in this app will be used to profile your online persona/habits so we can make money selling that information?  Sounds like a fair request if they are complaining about Apple removing the blast message to their business model, no?
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  • Reply 16 of 68
    entropysentropys Posts: 3,011member
    And why behold you the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? 
    Matthew 7:3 KJV.
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  • Reply 17 of 68
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 811member
    quench said:
    So Facebook, you deny conservatives a voice on your platform, deleted countless positive posts about President Trump. 
    Facebook you are dishonorable for silencing a large portion of the country because you disagree with conservative values.
    Rot in hell!
    What? I get plenty of posts. by conservatives praising Trump. 

    Plenty of conservative values being displayed. 




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  • Reply 18 of 68
    By “innovation that could really improve people’s lives” do he mean the innovation of violating millions of people’s trust and privacy to essentially hand the 2016 election to a Russian puppet? In order to profit? Like he did during the pandemic, where his wealth grew more than 50%? 

    Or does he mean improve by failing to take decisive action to eliminate foreign interference in the upcoming election? By putting a muzzle on said Russian puppet? Or is this just retaliation against Apple for protecting its customers privacy which happens to hurt your pocket?

    I’m confused, Zuck. But sincerely, just stay in your own monopolistic lane and let Apple keep providing the end-to-end solution that billions of customers enjoy. After all, it’s just a game, so he a good sport, or take your ball and go home. The world won’t miss you :)
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  • Reply 19 of 68
    Didn't think I could think less of this mini-me tyrant………………It's like tRump, when you think you've seen him at his lowest, he goes even lower. 
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  • Reply 20 of 68
    Zuck and FB walk on a rope bridge majority built by AAPL.  Same with the video game folks.  STFU or build your own bridge.  Lucky Cook doesn’t ban you for the misinformation and violence you foster and profit from daily.  Sorry.  You R wrong.  Just because you’re rich, don’t mean you’re right.
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